best review of DA2 ever!
I was ready to murder him after he reviewed that. So, in truth, I understand the fury and anger from those of you who liked the game.
Modifié par TMZuk, 30 mars 2011 - 06:31 .
FellowerOfOdin wrote...
Very, very good, spot on review.
I am fairly sure though that Bioware and Mike Laidlaw especially will continue their LOLOLOL U ARE WRONG THE GAME IS AWESOME LOLOLOLOL denial policy.
Bioware, stop making a joke of yourself. It hurts us, your former fans, the most.
Modifié par AcidRelic, 30 mars 2011 - 06:35 .
I didn't say those weren't fair points, or that he never makes fair points (although I don't agree on the story not picking up. The basis of Yahtzee's critique on the story seemed to be that it failed as a classic High Fantasy Hero's Journey tale. DA2's story was never meant to be a classic epic hero's journey. You can argue that you don't like the story because it isn't the heroic epic you were looking for, but you can really accuse Bioware of trying to write one and failing.)DTKT wrote...
yangthecat wrote...
Maverick827 wrote...
As usual, Yahtzee is mostly spot on with gameplay critique. I rarely actually play the games he reviews, so I find it interesting being able to refute some of his points now.
He complains about having to switch to a companion with different, unfamiliar skills than his Hawke, but this is a tactical RPG: that is sort of the point of the game, is it not? I was under the impression that the idea is to control a party of characters with a wide array of abilities. I mean, there's the entire cross class combo system to support this (which he didn't even mention).
He also mentions enemy waves spawning and killing his party without him noticing but, again, is that not the fault of him playing the game without regard for his party? I'm not going to lie: the same thing has happened to me a few times. I never blamed the game itself, though, it was always my fault for not paying attention.
I think, in light of these things, he should be happy (Yahtzee? Happy?) that he can play the game as action-oriented as he is already able, considering that on higher difficulties it is designed as anything but.
I don't really find it surprising that he didn't like the story; Yahtzee has never really struck me as one who put much stock into games-as-art. He alludes to The Hero's Journey at the end and insinuates that because this is a fantasy game it should have followed that structure, but I think that is a rather naive view, both in terms of fantasy narratives as well as video game narratives.
Anyone interested in why the DA2 plot works should look up the differences between plot-driven and character-driven narratives, literary fiction and genre fiction, readerly texts and writerly texts, and linear plot design and modular plot design.
This, so much. I always get a laugh out of Yahtzee's reviews, but at the same time I always end up wondering if he actually plays games. I understand a lot of it is hyperbole, but the stuff he criticizes tends to make him look like an inept player who doesn't get the point rather than reflecting poorly on the game he's reviewing.
Well, he does criticize the wave based system and the actual story that never seems to pick up.
Arent those fair points to criticize?
Modifié par MakeSense, 30 mars 2011 - 07:11 .
Crash_7 wrote...
I didn't like the rampant homophobia in it, but it was funny as usual. Raising the question: Is it a review or a skit?
Alex Kershaw wrote...
Is there a DAO review from this?
Maria Caliban wrote...
Crash_7 wrote...
I didn't like the rampant homophobia in it, but it was funny as usual. Raising the question: Is it a review or a skit?
It's a skit with review elements.
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scyphozoa wrote...
yeah, Yahtzee is actually routinely inaccurate in his criticism of games and mechanics, often exposing how little of the game he has played.
He is in the market of entertainment, so he will always do what it takes to get the laughs, which is usually making hyperbolic criticisms laden with profanity.
Still, it is very funny, but definitely not a reliable resource for game information.
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Bryy_Miller wrote...
scyphozoa wrote...
yeah, Yahtzee is actually routinely inaccurate in his criticism of games and mechanics, often exposing how little of the game he has played.
He is in the market of entertainment, so he will always do what it takes to get the laughs, which is usually making hyperbolic criticisms laden with profanity.
Still, it is very funny, but definitely not a reliable resource for game information.
But that's kind of why we love him. It's because anger IS his shtick. We are constantly waiting for that one game that he DOES like - and when he does, it is equally as gushing.
I personally loved the review.
Modifié par scyphozoa, 30 mars 2011 - 08:10 .
Modifié par nicethugbert, 30 mars 2011 - 08:25 .
nicethugbert wrote...
Where the puk was this guy when I was experiencing the same **** in DA:O? The entire genre is like this. You people are deluding yourselves if you think DA:O, NWN1, NWN2, BG, BGII, ..... are any different.
Evainelithe wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
Where the puk was this guy when I was experiencing the same **** in DA:O? The entire genre is like this. You people are deluding yourselves if you think DA:O, NWN1, NWN2, BG, BGII, ..... are any different.
I actually liked NWN2.
scyphozoa wrote...
well, we know the games he loves. Half-Life and Prince of Persia Sands of Time. He loves both of those games and refers to them a lot. Still, even games he openly supports and likes get bashed. There is no ZP episode that doesn't offer at least 3 straight minutes of bashing.
Not really. DA2 excelled at all of the aspects of games which he doesn't really care about.Archereon wrote...
Yahtzee bashed DA:O for pretty much the whole reivew before admiting that, despite all its flaws, it was a great game. He did that with Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, but not with Dragon Age 2...COINCIDENCE!?
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