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[Serpieri Nei]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

His DA:O review was very positive for Yahtzee. He basically said: ---> " It's standard fantasy that gives fantasy rpg gamers what they want and despite being a very long game full of cliche's is interesting enough to hold even my attention."

His DA2 review was far more hostile.

Pretty Much.

Sadly, DA2 is mediocre.

[Haexpane]

Yeah there is not one positive thing about DA2 in his review

[Vicious]

Only downsides I had to the game was:

Level design [repetitive, very difficult to stomach more than 2 playthroughs]

Length [the game is very short, story could have been fleshed out more had it been longer]

Combat [waves appearing out of nowhere make it repetitive, after a while most battles are the same, no deathblows, just chunky giblet blood showers.]

Graphics [still years behind the times]

Story [zero progression from 5 minutes in to 30 hours in, just a bizarre way to do a game]

[Merced652]

Woodstock-TC wrote...

a tad naive view .. sorry :-)  But keep it up if you like.
// Sales Manager here .. used to these 'coincidents'  ^^

iTIMMEH wrote...

Woodstock-TC wrote...

as well as for the wired review:
well its kindof cheap to review several weeks after launch and having seen the discrepancy between the professional reviews and the user reviews.... crawling from their holes now 
=> if they would have tested before release it would have been noteworthy

i find these "late" revievs more "bought" than others, as they aim to buy attention and please the crowd sorry.

Unless you can get a review out to coincide with the release you're pandering to the masses? Sure, okay...

Total nonsense.

Believe what you will, but being jesus.. i'm used to idiots. 

[Ballistic714]

I like DA2 and I still found this review to be pretty funny lol.

[Firky]

To be fair, I don't think its an actual review, more of an opinion piece.

I don't think it necessarily shows a lot of insight into the game, but I chuckled a couple of times.

[cljqnsnyc]

Not a good comparison. Each game in that series is meant to be self contained to a degree which is why they are named appropriately. The presentation is very different. The name sets the location. The location sets the story. This is not the case with DA2. My feeling is the game tries to service far too many functions and ends up causing a lot of confusion.

I'm convinced the switch from "Exodus" to "2" is more about marketing than it is about the story. This is where the Elder Scrolls Series differs. Their titles are more about story, less about marketing. But this is only my opinion. I don't see DA2 as a sequel. If you do, that's fine with me.


Sorry...this reply is misplaced

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 31 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[Cody211282]

Haexpane wrote...

Yeah there is not one positive thing about DA2 in his review

He said he liked the compainions.

[jacobkosh]

I like Yahtzee but I think he'd be the first to admit that when given the opportunity to make a substantive point or go for a laugh, he goes for the joke every time. He's more of a comedian than a critic.

I would like to hear him explain his gripes about the story since he's usually the first to complain about the hoary old "kill the dark lord" plot.

[jacobkosh]

[ugh, double post, sorry]

Modifié par jacobkosh, 31 mars 2011 - 12:53 .

[Cody211282]

jacobkosh wrote...

I like Yahtzee but I think he'd be the first to admit that when given the opportunity to make a substantive point or go for a laugh, he goes for the joke every time. He's more of a comedian than a critic.

I would like to hear him explain his gripes about the story since he's usually the first to complain about the hoary old "kill the dark lord" plot.

He said it was because it felt like it wasn't going anywere, and that there wasn't a centeral plot.

[didymos1120]

Avissel wrote...

Yahtzee isn't really a fan of anything

The "Yahtzee" persona isn't (except, apparently, Minecraft), but it's not that hard to tell when the guy behind said persona actually enjoyed a game. Eg.:

DA:O: enjoyed.

DA2: did not enjoy.

[jacobkosh]

Cody211282 wrote...

jacobkosh wrote...

I like Yahtzee but I think he'd be the first to admit that when given the opportunity to make a substantive point or go for a laugh, he goes for the joke every time. He's more of a comedian than a critic.

I would like to hear him explain his gripes about the story since he's usually the first to complain about the hoary old "kill the dark lord" plot.

He said it was because it felt like it wasn't going anywere, and that there wasn't a centeral plot.

The game has a plot, it's just more along the lines of Tom Jones or the Flashman books than the fantasy doorstoppers forum posters usually consume.  "A guy has adventures while rising in importance" is literally one of the oldest plots in history.

If he didn't care for the execution, that's fine, but it was kind of lazy of him to gig the game for not doing the same thing he rags on every other game for doing.

[Cody211282]

jacobkosh wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

jacobkosh wrote...

I like Yahtzee but I think he'd be the first to admit that when given the opportunity to make a substantive point or go for a laugh, he goes for the joke every time. He's more of a comedian than a critic.

I would like to hear him explain his gripes about the story since he's usually the first to complain about the hoary old "kill the dark lord" plot.

He said it was because it felt like it wasn't going anywere, and that there wasn't a centeral plot.

The game has a plot, it's just more along the lines of Tom Jones or the Flashman books than the fantasy doorstoppers forum posters usually consume.  "A guy has adventures while rising in importance" is literally one of the oldest plots in history.

If he didn't care for the execution, that's fine, but it was kind of lazy of him to gig the game for not doing the same thing he rags on every other game for doing.

no he rags on games for having the same plot or a dumb one each time, and he said he liked DA:Os plot. He didn't like that the 3 acts had almost nothing to do with eachother and the second something cool starts to happen the damn game ends.

[Mavkiel]

In what way do you gain power? You get to talk to the king, you get a nice house. Everything else is inferred. If you reply well you can become king, I'd point out that no, you never do, your told you became one. If at some point I was commanding more then 3 people at a time, I might agree with you.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Thing is, he's usually right about games. I've played a lot of what he has and I have many of the same grievances.

[jacobkosh]

You go from hanging out on the docks wheeling and dealing just to get into the city to being the trusted consultant of rulers and religious figures and the savior of the city, as well as being sought after by the agents of the world's most powerful religious figure. Yeah, that's a rise to power.

And did Yahtzee like DA:O's plot? Did he really? That sounds like our old friend Mister Projection coming out to play.

[lazuli]

jacobkosh wrote...

You go from hanging out on the docks wheeling and dealing just to get into the city to being the trusted consultant of rulers and religious figures and the savior of the city, as well as being sought after by the agents of the world's most powerful religious figure. Yeah, that's a rise to power.

And did Yahtzee like DA:O's plot? Did he really? That sounds like our old friend Mister Projection coming out to play.

Well he kept playing to find out what was going to happen.  Take from that what you will.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

And I sorta like this game. It's between that and complete indifference. I reserve love for games I can play more than once. Mass Effect 2, Okami, and Half-Life 2 are a few I can think of off the top of my head. I started playing Dragon Age 2 for a second time but stopped halfway through the first act because I realized it didn't matter. There are so few paths to take and the ending is the same. It was just a chore after the first run through.

[EthanDirtch]

Bahahaha, oh man that was funny! Burger King Kids' Club...bahahaha...and and, "You could be strolling through the park on a summer's day and get SAVAGED by a bunch of art students upset that you walked in on their life drawing class!", and Ethan Hawke...wait, my name is Ethan!! >_<

[highcastle]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

And I sorta like this game. It's between that and complete indifference. I reserve love for games I can play more than once. Mass Effect 2, Okami, and Half-Life 2 are a few I can think of off the top of my head. I started playing Dragon Age 2 for a second time but stopped halfway through the first act because I realized it didn't matter. There are so few paths to take and the ending is the same. It was just a chore after the first run through.

Interesting, I think I had the opposite reactions. I couldn't get through ME2 more than once because I thought I hated the way it handled the companions. And since DA2's release, I've completed it 3 times and I'm halfway through my fourth playthrough. The ending may stay largely the change, but the story feels different depending on your interactions with your companions. And the NPCs get much more screen time and deeper personal arcs, which makes it more engrossing to me.

On topic: I'll say largely what I said on the official ZP comment thread on The Escapist. I agree with Yahtzee about the rehashed environments, but that's about it. He seemed to expect another save-the-world epic fantasy, but BioWare tried something new. And I like the personal focus. I felt more connected to Hawke than I did to the Warden or Commander Shepard. The personality system is part of that. The deeper relationships with your family and companions is another.

He also saw the game as a metaphor for fascism and oppression, but I saw it as more of a commentary on current terrorism fears. It also works hard to blur the lines, and portrays its "terrorist" character rather sympathetically. Furthermore, Yahtzee points to the mages all being oppressed throughout the game. While this is true to an extent, we also see examples of mages working with demons and committing heinous acts just as we see some of their templar oppressors genuinely working for their charges' safety. To say this game champions the mages and is about fighting oppression is to miss a large point of the message. What if the people you're oppressing are legitimately dangerous?

In short, I like DA2. This is no surprise to anyone who's seen my other posts, but I feel it bears repeating at times. The game is rather polarizing likely because it deviates from the traditional formula. But I've played the game where I've saved the world and everybody loves me at least a hundred times. I haven't played the game where I try to do right and fail more times than succeed.

[Kimberly Shaw]

The game is rather polarizing likely because it deviates from the traditional formula.

No, the game is polarizing because of a LOT of flaws and wasted opportunity to do something great with the time jumps and the aytpical rise to power and factions and political intrigue. Instead it was rushed, buggy, filled with repetitive content and half-arsed fedex "thanks for my dead wife's bones I was looking for those" quests that is set entirely in a lifeless city that never changes in 7 years of play time...

I think a lot of people who are dissapointed in the game DO NOT MIND that the plot wasn't as epic as most WRPGs, we mind that it was rushed and didn't live up to it's enormous potential.

[petipas1414]

Pretty sure he liked ME2 as well.

Sucks to be you guys

[HBC Dresden]

Funny. But I thought he was going to start reusing the same pictures over and over and over

[Metal Gib]

Yahtzee's whole stic is that he hates everything. I trust his option about as far as I could throw it.