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[Cody211282]

Metal Gib wrote...

Yahtzee's whole stic is that he hates everything. I trust his option about as far as I could throw it.

No he comes out and says what games he likes and what ones he doesn't.

[Drasanil]

Metal Gib wrote...

Yahtzee's whole stic is that he hates everything. I trust his option about as far as I could throw it.

Not true, he rips apart just about every game he reviews and exagerates their flaws, but  it's still pretty obvious when he likes a game despite ripping it a new one and when he just flat out thinks it's crap.

[Paeyne]

"not so much a hero's journey so much as a hero piddles around for a while gobbling off his handsome friend"

Priceless!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

highcastle wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

And I sorta like this game. It's between that and complete indifference. I reserve love for games I can play more than once. Mass Effect 2, Okami, and Half-Life 2 are a few I can think of off the top of my head. I started playing Dragon Age 2 for a second time but stopped halfway through the first act because I realized it didn't matter. There are so few paths to take and the ending is the same. It was just a chore after the first run through.

Interesting, I think I had the opposite reactions. I couldn't get through ME2 more than once because I thought I hated the way it handled the companions. And since DA2's release, I've completed it 3 times and I'm halfway through my fourth playthrough. The ending may stay largely the change, but the story feels different depending on your interactions with your companions. And the NPCs get much more screen time and deeper personal arcs, which makes it more engrossing to me.

On topic: I'll say largely what I said on the official ZP comment thread on The Escapist. I agree with Yahtzee about the rehashed environments, but that's about it. He seemed to expect another save-the-world epic fantasy, but BioWare tried something new. And I like the personal focus. I felt more connected to Hawke than I did to the Warden or Commander Shepard. The personality system is part of that. The deeper relationships with your family and companions is another.

He also saw the game as a metaphor for fascism and oppression, but I saw it as more of a commentary on current terrorism fears. It also works hard to blur the lines, and portrays its "terrorist" character rather sympathetically. Furthermore, Yahtzee points to the mages all being oppressed throughout the game. While this is true to an extent, we also see examples of mages working with demons and committing heinous acts just as we see some of their templar oppressors genuinely working for their charges' safety. To say this game champions the mages and is about fighting oppression is to miss a large point of the message. What if the people you're oppressing are legitimately dangerous?

In short, I like DA2. This is no surprise to anyone who's seen my other posts, but I feel it bears repeating at times. The game is rather polarizing likely because it deviates from the traditional formula. But I've played the game where I've saved the world and everybody loves me at least a hundred times. I haven't played the game where I try to do right and fail more times than succeed.

The NPCs get little screentime between 3 year jumps. Relationships remanin stagnant along with the enviornment. If it wasn't for Varric telling me it took seven years I would have guessed it took seven months. All the while you were stuck with a protagonist who was less of a plot motivator than their companion. You were just there. The regular guy doesn't work when people play games to not be that guy. By the end aside from small deviations you realize none of it matters and unlike Mr. Marston, you stayed on the train, not because you wanted to but because you weren't allowed off. Yahtzee had it right. Dragon Age: The Intermission.

[Bone-Dragon]

Look at Dragon Age 1 Review - he points out some annoying things but claims its good
Look at the Dragon Age 2 review - he slams it hard, covering everything in the criticism thread

Look at Mario Galaxy review - he makes fun of it, but he likes it
Look at Mario Galaxy 2 review - he makes fun of nintendo for assuming people who play MG2 did not play MG1, and rips into Nintendo rather then the game for being a "sell out". Rips on the game for being a copy of the old one.

Modifié par Bone-Dragon, 31 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Please, don't remind me of the MG2 tutorials that I was forced to endure.>_<

[Sabariel]

I snortgiggled. Whether I agree with Yahtzee or not doesn't matter. Dude can always make me laugh.

Modifié par Sabariel, 31 mars 2011 - 04:35 .

[Rann]

Just watched it. That was insanely funny -- and absolutely spot on.

[bluecapsule6]

Yahtzee doesn't "hate every game". I actually think he has good taste in the games he likes, and I've agreed with almost every positive review he's made.

Games that Yahtzee has liked:

Dragon Age Origins
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Batman Arkham Asylum
Saints Row II
Psychonauts
Portal

Modifié par bluecapsule6, 31 mars 2011 - 06:30 .

[StowyMcStowstow]

Yahtzee actually has a video in which he makes a list of games he loves and games he hates. One of the awards ones.

[neppakyo]

Paeyne wrote...

"not so much a hero's journey so much as a hero piddles around for a while gobbling off his handsome friend"

Priceless!

lol one of my fav parts of that, and the "he took it up the a.ss like a champ" line as well.

Pretty much agree with his whole review of it lol.

[PirateT138]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Isn't part of the amusement from those "reviews" how he slams games? All games, even the great ones like DA2.

Great games are remembered forever fondly.  I was at the point where I had to kite the Arishok around again in my latest playthrough and I just turn my 360 off.  How SILLY is that fight?!?

It completely removes you from any tone of seriousness. 

The duel with Loghain.  Serious business, no kiting, not a 15 minute ordeal, just you and him, no BS, toe-to-toe, winner take all.   It had gravity.   

This is not a great game, it's not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be, but this is not, nor will ever be, a great game due to the lack of attention to detail, lack of care and love for their final product, and simple laziness in resuing the crap out of things so they could get it out the door to bleed us of our money that much sooner.

[didymos1120]

PirateT138 wrote...
The duel with Loghain.  Serious business, no kiting, not a 15 minute ordeal, just you and him, no BS, toe-to-toe, winner take all.   It had gravity.   

OK, the Arishok fight has...issues, but the Loghain fight is absurdly easy. That doesn't make it at all cooler, or any kind of good, just short.  My most recent duel went something like this:

Use Concentrated Soldier's Bane (mostly just cause I had some in stock, so, you know, may as well), Stealth (Loghain puts weapons away like the fight is over and just stands there moronically), Swift Salve (already had Momentum on), Riposte (for the insta-stun), auto-backstab a few times....and done. Guy didn't even get off a War Cry or anything (not that that would have done anything other than add a little time to the clock in the end).  Woo. Hoo. Such gravity! 

Modifié par didymos1120, 31 mars 2011 - 07:56 .

[Byth]

Lol, I knew this would get on the forums, Yahtzee's always funny.

Still like the game though.

[Jorrkit]

"As I tended to favor the glib responses, my interpretation of the character was that he took it up the arse like a champ."

[Verfallen]

I thoroughly enjoyed the game for the most part, but still got a good laugh out of the review.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I really don't think Yathzee has been funny for a while now. That Killzone review last week was just pathetic.

[_- Songlian -]

Very nicely done. Both hilarious and true on some accounts.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 31 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

I was waiting for Yathzee's review to come out. I agree with him on some points and on others I disagree, especially when it comes to the story.

[Wynne]

Oh, Yahtzee. I'll never stop loving you.

Even though I never agree with him completely, there are always a few things where I'm like, "Yes, YES, holy crap that was EXACTLY how I felt!" Here, it's the way enemies spawn and how freaking often they spawn when you're just trying to run around doing your business, and the reuse of areas (which is not so bad the first time, but on replays gets really really noticeable. I mean, you already revisit locations; that a lot of minor quest locations are the same becomes plainly tedious.) I think he's more brutal when something about a game annoys him that badly.

Like Yellow Words, I disagree with him on the story. I liked that for once it didn't follow the formula; that it wandered a bit, it felt more realistic. Yet there was an overarching "Big Bad" anyway, who was more grey than the usual "Big Bad", and another grey Medium-Sized bad, and a tie-in to that expedition with the Big Bad's sword... it was overall better built than a lot of stories I've seen in games. I just wish it had been a bit more varied.

Modifié par Wynne, 31 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[Deylar]

Rockpopple wrote...

As expected, it's not pretty. 

But it's still laugh-out-loud hilarious. (And this coming from a guy who loves the game)

Considering his video review of Dragon Age: Origins wasn't very flattering either, I'm guessing he's not a fan of this particular series. 

EDIT: I know Yahtzee's a comedy reviewer and the whole point of his reviews are to slam games, even if occasionally he falls in love with a game, it's probably not the game most people play. The purpose of this thread IS NOT TO START A WAR BETWEEN THOSE WHO LIKE IT AND THOSE WHO DON'T. That's irrelevant. This is a funny review from a funny guy.

rofl!

He made me laugh so hard.

[2kgnsiika]

Yahtzee Croshaw often makes good points and is always funny.
That said, his favorite game of 2010 was Just Cause 2, a beautiful and fun but very dumb game.

[nicethugbert]

"Yahtzee" Review:

Take Meth.
This sucks.
That sucks.
This sucks.
That sucks.
This sucks.
That sucks.
I liked it./I didn't like it.
This sucks.
That sucks.
This sucks.
That sucks.

[Eollodwyn]

Yellow Words wrote...

I was waiting for Yathzee's review to come out. I agree with him on some points and on others I disagree, especially when it comes to the story.

This.

He's fun to watch, but I don't base any of my game-buying decisions off of what he says.

[Aireoth]

I love Yahtzee and often base game purchases off his reviews. Yes they are all glib and point out everything wrong with the game, but there is always truth to what he is saying, and if you watch enough you can tell when he liked a game.

FYI, he liked DAO, hated DA2.