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[Lieutenant Flashlight]

Edit: Orion beat me to it. 

Modifié par Lieutenant Flashlight, 30 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[Whatever42]

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

wouldnt it be a bit weird for shepard to be straight in ME1 and ME2 and then suddenly he's gay in ME3?

Do I need to explain it to you?  Because I really don't want to.

My Shepard is gay, there are simply no gay relationship for him to pursue
No, canon Shep is straight
There is no place where it states Shepard's sexual orientation
It's obvious he's straight, all his potential relationship are with women
That doesn't mean he's not gay. Femshep can pursue a homosexual relationship.
Liara is Asari. Asari are monogendered.
Yes but still female.
But not really female because Asari have no sex.
They have female anatomy.
We don't know that for sure.
Are you kidding? /facepalm

etc. etc. Can we not have this conversation again and say we did?

[Tomppa666t]

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

[QwertyQwerty]

Tomppa666t wrote...

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

The problem with saying "Its just a small minority of fans" is that Gays are always going to be a minority... so does that mean they should never get a say about anything because there a minority. 

[Tomppa666t]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Tomppa666t wrote...

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

The problem with saying "Its just a small minority of fans" is that Gays are always going to be a minority... so does that mean they should never get a say about anything because there a minority. 

Yup. 

[QwertyQwerty]

Tomppa666t wrote...

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Tomppa666t wrote...

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

The problem with saying "Its just a small minority of fans" is that Gays are always going to be a minority... so does that mean they should never get a say about anything because there a minority. 

Yup. 

Bigot.

[Whatever42]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Tomppa666t wrote...

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

The problem with saying "Its just a small minority of fans" is that Gays are always going to be a minority... so does that mean they should never get a say about anything because there a minority. 

For a serious response - if a minority often wants a greater response from the marketplace then it needs to make sure that companies recognize and see the profit in catering to that community.

If there are 100,000 gay gamers and 25% of them would buy ME3 regardless and 50% would by ME3 with a gay romance than 25K x $60 = $1.5 million, of which probably $1 million belongs to Bioware. Does it cost $1 million to put in a gay romance?

That's the reason there is a femshep in the game. So if putting a gay romance in the game gives that game much greater recognition among that minority community and results in more game sales than such a romance will be guaranteed, minus any artistic or technical concerns. For example, I find many of the romances in ME2 a little annoying. I hate having to reject all the women because they all want to romance me. Having to fight off all the guys too would be seriously annoying. If they're doubling my romance options then make it a bit more subtle, please!

Of course, I am sure that Bioware is well aware of their audience here. Maybe they've decided that its not profitable for this series. Maybe its for artistic reasons. However, being a minority is not the problem.

[Clonedzero]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Tomppa666t wrote...

Never. It would be absolutely ridiculous to make Shepard gay in the last game, when he has been straight in all the other games. It wouldnt make any sense story wise and it would be just because a small minority of fans keep bringing this issue up all the time, just once i would like to see Bioware not cave in. Tali and Garrus romances were also idiotic and forced.

The problem with saying "Its just a small minority of fans" is that Gays are always going to be a minority... so does that mean they should never get a say about anything because there a minority. 

well its not really the whole "ignoring them" it just doesnt make sense for a character to suddenly be gay in the third installment of a series where there was no indication of them being gay whatsoever in earlier ones.

it would just feel really weird and forced. if he was gay/bi in the first one i'd have no problems with it, its just really weird for him suddenly to come out of the closet in ME3 lol

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah but Shepard isn't exactly a "real" character. He's a player character and hence can be any number of things. It would be weird and forced if Kaidan, for example, turned out to be suddenly bi in the third game, but Shepard doesn't even have a specified gender. Why would the abiltiy to make a Sheppard a woman be weirder than the abiltiy to make him bi or gay? Especially since you can with a female Shepard.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 30 mars 2011 - 09:22 .

[Malevolence65]

Why ME3 needs no new romances: There are already 9. I just want more content for the existing ones. I don't know why Bioware feels the need to cater to idiots who come into a series with the last game.

[rvgifford]

somecthemes wrote...

I can see how making the inclusion of such a character change in a existing character would annoy some, so I'd just like the option for any new squad mates who are introduced as romancable in ME3.

Do it if it makes sense within the story, don't force it to appease or for the sake of 'inclusiveness'. ME3 is the finale of an amazing trilogy. Either you've loved it up until this point or you haven't and throwing in an emphasis on alternate sexuality without substantial and well though out story reasoning just seems a little meh.

But if it goes in, for the love of all that is organic don't go overboard with it and please avoid the bad stereotypes and cliches.

Modifié par rvgifford, 30 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[James2912]

I support a gay romance and I am not gay. I would personally probably never use it, but that doesn't mean I think it shouldn't be included. I think it makes the game more fun if you can identify with you Shep. As long as two factors are met: don't turn currently straight LI's gay and I don't want them to do what they have done with the straight LIs where if you just effin talk to them they think you want to bone them! Jack for example getting all pissy because I'm not interested was annoying!

[Eromenos]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Making any of the old romance options bi when they weren't before would be stupid, but other than that I don't have a problem with the idea. Kelly should be expanded into a full love interest, for example. I'd prefer that they don't go the DA 2 route and just take the easiest way out and make everyone bi, though.

So...the concept of allowing everyone to have equal shots at a meaningful romantic choice is...bad for who, exactly? Well, what a pity. Seems like it's only good so long as "alternative sexuality" remains marked and shoved into its own corner to supposedly placate "everybody." No, sexuality is hardly so black-and-white. Having all-bisexual LIs should not lessen a straight person's enjoyment of romances unless that straight person believes bisexual people are not real, or that they're seconds at best. Frankly, it's not asking too much to not be shut out over no good reason other than satisfying homophobic mandates screaming that queer gamers should be grateful for whatever crumbs we get.

Shepard is as gay or straight as the player. Shepard's gender and
personality aren't set in stone. Why would Shepard's sexual orientation.
A male Shepard has no gay options, therefore he can't act on it but
that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be gay. A female Shepard can
certainly be a lesbian, however, she doesn't have the opportunity to
flirt with all the woman on the ship. The NPCS are people with specific
attributes and personalities, Shepard is not.

What you said about gay male Shepards being allowed to stay gay albeit abstinent is not entirely correct; these games push every male Shepard towards "accidental" romantic exchanges with female characters, LI or otherwise. We need to be fortunate enough to have killed Shiala and Gianna previously and we cannot allow Liara into the loft, because even if we go the usual tired route of refusing to initiate relations with female LIs, those 3 are compelled to assume that we're free game. Obviously we can choose to sidestep them, but only via hindsight followed by planning. It does no favors for anyone to be ambushed with unwanted affections that we can't even turn down. It's practically a punishment for playing "good."

In short, it ends up being work just to maintain an unserviced and ignored aspect of Shepard that BioWare does not want to allow even a semblance of supporting.

The ME choices thus far are too limited and segregated against queer players' best interests. Having all the LIs become functionally bisexual isn't something that should be seen as detracting against enjoyment for straight players. Regardless, when it is seen as capitulating too much for a "minority" fanbase then it's precisely the right thing to do because it challenges homophobic reactions.

Modifié par Eromenos, 30 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[Tazzmission]

alot of people want a kasumi romance wich isnt a bad idea. same with zaeed. id rather bioware make those two LI's for me3 instead of creating a whole new 9 charachters. im not against bi sexual or gay LI's but id start with kasumi and zaeed first.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 mars 2011 - 10:06 .

[James2912]

As for robot romances I do not support it! It just doesn't make since Legion does not have a biological impulse to have sex or to feel that way about someone. I don't want this to turn into some Japanese anime robot sex orgy game. lol. Could you imagine the fan fiction that would be spawned! Whats next after making Legion romancable? Shep romancing his personal computer station!

[xzxzxz701]

James2912 wrote...

As for robot romances I do not support it! It just doesn't make since Legion does not have a biological impulse to have sex or to feel that way about someone. I don't want this to turn into some Japanese anime robot sex orgy game. lol. Could you imagine the fan fiction that would be spawned! Whats next after making Legion romancable? Shep romancing his personal computer station!

He has a hole. Therefore he is a romance option.

[rvgifford]

Tazzmission wrote...

alot of people want a kasumi romance wich isnt a bad idea. same with zaeed. id rather bioware make those two LI's for me3 instead of creating a whole new 9 charachters. im not against bi sexual or gay LI's but id start with kasumi and zaeed first.

Heck, I'd like to see the possibility of setting up romances between two party members. Kasumi mentions she has the hots for Jacob. Why is Shep the only one getting any action - hetero, ******, or what-have you? <3

Edit: Jacob, not Jared. Bah, I always change his name.

Modifié par rvgifford, 30 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Marta Rio wrote...

Bioware: Relationships for all!
Some Fans: Booo!
Bioware: Very well, no relationships for anyone!
All Fans: Booo!
Bioware: Hmm... Relationships for some, miniature American flags for others.

I love this board sometimes.

That said, I'm ok with the idea that certain NPC characters are straight, but I think we should have a few that are gay or bi as well. At the very least one love interest of each gender for each gender. I also think that the option to keep it friendly or keep it professional with any crewmate should exist - a sentiment I think a decent amount of people agree with, judging from the distate a lot of people feel for Femshep and Jacob's initial "chemistry," and the joke from Three Panel Soul, about Mass Effect being the only game where you can have lesbian sex without meaning to.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 30 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[James2912]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

As for robot romances I do not support it! It just doesn't make since Legion does not have a biological impulse to have sex or to feel that way about someone. I don't want this to turn into some Japanese anime robot sex orgy game. lol. Could you imagine the fan fiction that would be spawned! Whats next after making Legion romancable? Shep romancing his personal computer station!

He has a hole. Therefore he is a romance option.

uhm intesting policy you have there lol!
I have a pencil sharpner here who needs some loving! lol!

Modifié par James2912, 30 mars 2011 - 10:14 .

[Athro]

RE: Shepard being straight - he has never been straight in my games of ME and ME2 - and he has turned down every opportunity to have a romance with a female character.

I have never felt that the game has forced Shepard to be straight, and I have always gotten the impression that if you choose to not romance anyone his orientation is just left undefined.

There is no reason that Bioware couldn't introduce a bi/gay character in ME3 for male Shepard. Given that most straight players will have already romanced someone in one of the other two games, it shouldn't be too hard to make the gay option only available if you had remained single through the games to this point.

C.

[Tazzmission]

rvgifford wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

alot of people want a kasumi romance wich isnt a bad idea. same with zaeed. id rather bioware make those two LI's for me3 instead of creating a whole new 9 charachters. im not against bi sexual or gay LI's but id start with kasumi and zaeed first.

Heck, I'd like to see the possibility of setting up romances between two party members. Kasumi mentions she has the hots for Jacob. Why is Shep the only one getting any action - hetero, ******, or what-have you? <3

Edit: Jacob, not Jared. Bah, I always change his name.

kasumi is a nympho imo.... she even cracks on shepard by saying now shepard what if tali hears id love for edit to romance joker somehow also

[James2912]

I have a question what would be more insulting not having a gay or bi LI in ME3 or a really crappy stereotypical romance? 



OP if you think this question is not on topic please let me know and I'll remove it

Modifié par James2912, 30 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[StarGateGod]

unless its woman on woman, or woman on femal alien, or even some kind of akward female and female landing that ends with kissing or some such thing
other than that no

[James2912]

StarGateGod wrote...

unless its woman on woman, or woman on femal alien, or even some kind of akward female and female landing that ends with kissing or some such thing
other than that no

LOL yeah I might play femshep the majority of the time if this was included lol!

[Eromenos]

rvgifford wrote...

Do it if it makes sense within the story, don't force it to appease or
for the sake of 'inclusiveness'. ME3 is the finale of an amazing
trilogy. Either you've loved it up until this point or you haven't and
throwing in an emphasis on alternate sexuality without substantial and
well though out story reasoning just seems a little meh.

But if
it goes in, for the love of all that is organic don't go overboard with
it and please avoid the bad stereotypes and cliches.

What I'm interpreting is...it's all right to "forcibly exclude."

Why? Why is it that making greater efforts to include queer gamers gets treated as a negative impact on ME?

It should not have to "fit the story." That old excuse from BioWare itself is bull.

I'm reading a lot of platitudes about restricting queerness to the sidelines.