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[Xerin]

My character consistently sided with the mages up until you meet Thrask outside the city with the rebel templars and mages, wanting to overthrow Meredith. I would have gladly joined them, but instead I get accused of supporting Meredith? I tell them I don't support Meredith and want to join them, but despite Thrask telling them not to, they still attack. WTF?

[Malja]

Grace's issues really don't have anything to do with who you've sided with.

[The Angry One]

Because they're led by Grace, a psychopath who holds a grudge against you for killing her revolting cult leader/lover Decimus.

[Pileyourbodies]

Its mostly because grace has used blood magic on the folks to make them crazy. Thank the mages for this failure like the rest of the game mages are behind it.

[Asdara]

I think it might be bugged - because I was working for Orsino every time I did it before my most recent - in which I WAS doing it for Meredith and everything they said suddenly made sense.

My guess it that, at least the first two groups of people you come upon, are supposed to recognize you as a champion of mage rights, but don't for whatever reason. The thing with Grace in the 3rd encounter is it's own deal and explained by her being a witch with baggage.

[Xerin]

I can understand Grace having an axe to grind, but the second I showed up one of the other mages yelled out, "He supported Meredith!". Asdara may be right that it's bugged...just didn't make a lot of sense to me since my character was well known for supporting the mages.

[Forst1999]

Well, the quest before this one was for Meredith (catch the fugitive mages). This jerks just got the false impression, even if you were perfectly pro mage until then. Add to this a little goading from Grace a we have the situation.

[The Angry One]

Yes it's probably due to that previous quest, which *is* rather out of place.
Why they didn't just have Orsino give you that quest if a mage supporter to quietly take care of blood mages before the Templars make it public I don't know.

[LobselVith8]

It makes no sense when you consider Hawke can publicly denounce what Meredith is doing by siding with Orsino, and he could be an apostate.

[hoorayforicecream]

Xerin wrote...

I can understand Grace having an axe to grind, but the second I showed up one of the other mages yelled out, "He supported Meredith!". Asdara may be right that it's bugged...just didn't make a lot of sense to me since my character was well known for supporting the mages.

Keep in mind that up to that point, Hawke had killed quite a few of them (at the warehouse, in hightown at night). It's pretty natural for them to assume that Hawke was working with Meredith. Why else would Hawke be killing them? In reality, it's just a miscommunication... they saw Hawke and jumped the gun, then after Hawke defends him/herself, it cements him/her as an enemy in their mind.

[Asdara]

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, the quest before this one was for Meredith (catch the fugitive mages). This jerks just got the false impression, even if you were perfectly pro mage until then. Add to this a little goading from Grace a we have the situation.

True, but you can let that one mage spend the night with the wench rather than killing him or turning him over right away - not sure if you can let him skip town or not, never bothered, but that's a far cry from being Meredith's lapdog.

You can't refuse her either - i don't think, never pushed it harder than getting threatened with the Gallows personally. 

[Xerin]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Xerin wrote...

I can understand Grace having an axe to grind, but the second I showed up one of the other mages yelled out, "He supported Meredith!". Asdara may be right that it's bugged...just didn't make a lot of sense to me since my character was well known for supporting the mages.

Keep in mind that up to that point, Hawke had killed quite a few of them (at the warehouse, in hightown at night). It's pretty natural for them to assume that Hawke was working with Meredith. Why else would Hawke be killing them? In reality, it's just a miscommunication... they saw Hawke and jumped the gun, then after Hawke defends him/herself, it cements him/her as an enemy in their mind.

Hawke only killed mages that attacked him first, so they bear the blame rather than him.

[LobselVith8]

Asdara wrote...

True, but you can let that one mage spend the night with the wench rather than killing him or turning him over right away - not sure if you can let him skip town or not, never bothered, but that's a far cry from being Meredith's lapdog.

I told Emile de Launcet to get the frak out of Kirkwall, so it's possible. I got a letter from his parents thanking me.

Asdara wrote...

You can't refuse her either - i don't think, never pushed it harder than getting threatened with the Gallows personally. 

Even if you refuse Meredith, you still need to complete the quest.

[Xerin]

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, the quest before this one was for Meredith (catch the fugitive mages). This jerks just got the false impression, even if you were perfectly pro mage until then. Add to this a little goading from Grace a we have the situation.

That's true, although my reason for accepting the quest was to judge the three mages on my own terms rather than doing what Meredith wanted. And that's exactly what I did...I let the first mage escape the city and told Meredith so to her face. The other two were violent blood mages that attacked me on sight, so again where are mages/templars getting the impression that Hawke supports Meredith? There were many times prior to this encounter when people would comment on my character siding with the mages, so it was a well known fact that I supported them.

[Lithuasil]

Imho that quest before needed a lot more grey in grey, making the other two bloodmages, with more or less questionable motives, but still giving me the option to let them go.

[Xerin]

It just makes no sense that Grace would have it out for you. You showed up at the cave, in an attempt to warn her and Decimus about the templars coming to take them. Instead of listening, Decimus attacks you and you have no choice but to defend yourself. You still save Grace and Alain, and protect them from the templars that show up outside the cave. So why would she turn on Thrask (who also helped her), and then try to kill you?

[The Angry One]

Xerin wrote...

It just makes no sense that Grace would have it out for you. You showed up at the cave, in an attempt to warn her and Decimus about the templars coming to take them. Instead of listening, Decimus attacks you and you have no choice but to defend yourself. You still save Grace and Alain, and protect them from the templars that show up outside the cave. So why would she turn on Thrask (who also helped her), and then try to kill you?

They made Grace crazy, so sense doesn't come into it.

[Lord Gremlin]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It makes no sense when you consider Hawke can publicly denounce what Meredith is doing by siding with Orsino, and he could be an apostate.

Exactly. At first I thought it was a bug, then decided they all are idiots.

[Avissel]

Xerin wrote...

It just makes no sense that Grace would have it out for you. You showed up at the cave, in an attempt to warn her and Decimus about the templars coming to take them. Instead of listening, Decimus attacks you and you have no choice but to defend yourself. You still save Grace and Alain, and protect them from the templars that show up outside the cave. So why would she turn on Thrask (who also helped her), and then try to kill you?

Grace sufferes from the same problem many real people do, the need to blame all of her problems on someone else.

In fact if you talk to her in Act2 while she is in the Gallows she even says "They caught us. Did you tell them? You must have." Even mention that you "gave us a head start of a few minutes with no food or supplies"

So insteado understanding that her problems were brought on by her own action, it's much easier to just blame Hawke.

[Forst1999]

Xerin wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, the quest before this one was for Meredith (catch the fugitive mages). This jerks just got the false impression, even if you were perfectly pro mage until then. Add to this a little goading from Grace a we have the situation.

That's true, although my reason for accepting the quest was to judge the three mages on my own terms rather than doing what Meredith wanted. And that's exactly what I did...I let the first mage escape the city and told Meredith so to her face. The other two were violent blood mages that attacked me on sight, so again where are mages/templars getting the impression that Hawke supports Meredith? There were many times prior to this encounter when people would comment on my character siding with the mages, so it was a well known fact that I supported them.

But they don't know that. All they know about your dealings with Meredith is that she showed you a target, and you went after it. Do they know that you let Emile get away? You either lied to Meredith or you told her. In the later case, she propably didn't tell everyone how mercyful you where. Except maybe some loyal templars she send after him. So to the conspirators it still looks like you abandoned their cause.

[Xerin]

Avissel wrote...

Xerin wrote...

It just makes no sense that Grace would have it out for you. You showed up at the cave, in an attempt to warn her and Decimus about the templars coming to take them. Instead of listening, Decimus attacks you and you have no choice but to defend yourself. You still save Grace and Alain, and protect them from the templars that show up outside the cave. So why would she turn on Thrask (who also helped her), and then try to kill you?

Grace sufferes from the same problem many real people do, the need to blame all of her problems on someone else.

In fact if you talk to her in Act2 while she is in the Gallows she even says "They caught us. Did you tell them? You must have." Even mention that you "gave us a head start of a few minutes with no food or supplies"

So insteado understanding that her problems were brought on by her own action, it's much easier to just blame Hawke.

That's a good insight, I didn't have that conversation with her in the Gallows so missed that content. Still think it's pretty stupid though, since there are plenty of other people she could blame, and no reason why she wouldn't at least use Hawke like she used Thrask to further her own agenda.

[Icy Magebane]

Out of curiosity, what happens if you allow the Templars to execute Grace right after capturing her and the other apostates? I remember that you had the option, but I never took it...

[Xerin]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Out of curiosity, what happens if you allow the Templars to execute Grace right after capturing her and the other apostates? I remember that you had the option, but I never took it...

I believe they're escorted back to the Gallows, but aren't actually executed.

[Darkkyn46]

I was going to ask that as well. There is no way to kill her during that Thrask quest?