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[IanTheTexan]

Dear Everyone Who Responded,

Your voices carry just as much weight as mine, and the letter is for all of us. Your support is appreciated, and it makes me much happier to know I'm not the only one out there facing my fears. If the Devs and the community know how we feel, then at our best we can work together to find a solution that keeps us coming back to the game(s) we clearly love.

[Chokladglass]

I actually thought about tihs issue myself. I sympathize with arachnophobic gamers. While I don't have any problems myself, I had a friend who would start crying every time she saw a picture of a spider.

[uberdowzen]

I sympathize with the OP but can't you just relax and tell yourself it's not real? I've got a phobia of big bugs (and, for some reason, a particular hate for praying mantis') but I managed to get through the section in The Witcher demo where you SPOILER see the massive praying mantis type thingy END SPOILER.

[MKDAWUSS]

Overcome said fear. Don't complain about it.

[Malja]

Some phobias are not that easy to overcome. Varying degrees and such.

Modifié par Malja, 30 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[tanerb123]

Yep, use scorpions instead or better centipedes.

[Nukenin]

Throw a bone for those of us with drakonophobia and cut down on the dragon appearances as well. Ideally eliminate dragons and the word "dragon" wherever they appear.

And do you have any idea what cynophobes must go through when they've got the Black Emporium installed and they are just starting out? That mabari comes out of nowhere with all sorts of flash and bang!

Not to belittle those who suffer from arachnophobia especially to such an extreme, but it would be quite upsetting for a creature type to be entirely eliminated from consideration or otherwise suffer a diminished presence solely due to their reception by a subset of the playerbase.

Find another solution (perhaps an in-game option to replace spiders with snakes or kittens). Otherwise you just set a worrisome precedent that will be exploited by pyrophobes to remove fire magic from future DA titles, tetraphobes to remove the digit 4 from all attribute readouts in future DA titles, and aichmophobes to remove all pointy things from future DA titles. And then when the hemophobes realize the havoc *they* can wreak…

[MKDAWUSS]

Malja wrote...

Some phobias are not that easy to overcome. Varying degrees and such.

And?

It's a part of personal development. Overcome your fears and prejudices.

[Oneiropolos]

First of all, the OP was not 'complaining' about it, merely explaining the stance of people who experience the phobia. Secondly, some phobias are notoriously difficult to overcome and take many hours in therapy to manage it with someone especially qualified to deal with phobias. This can cost thousands of dollars and still may not be successful. Thousands of dollars, or spending a few minutes writing a post pointing out that spiders really were used quite a lot and this is an issue for some people? The OP seems to have made the more intelligent choice to me... and as Gaider admits, spiders really WERE used quite a lot!

Edited to add: Yes. There are tons of phobias out there. No, not all phobias can be avoided in games. But geeze, people, learn a little empathy or hope you never experience any sort of phobia. If you do discover you have a phobia, then may you be surrounded by people more understanding of them than you are. I'm not bothered by spiders but because my boyfriend is, I did note how OFTEN spiders show up in this particular game. It's not like the OP is saying, "So I think you should consider people who are afraid of "Humans wielding swords" because that'd make me feel better." The entire premise of the game is not built on having spiders come down from the ceiling. They are not 'ruining' the game for you by going "Can we just get a little less spiders please?" If they came in saying "I'm afraid of fire/dragons/swords" then you can say "Uhm, you kinda picked the wrong game..." as an answer. But last I checked, the game isn't "Spider Age" annd in the first game, while there were a few encounters, spiders only popped up a couple times. There was more of a variety, so if one type of enemy unnerved you, you could at least trust that you were done dealing with them for a good while. Spiders in DAII, however, just KEPT popping up.... or well, dropping down. 

Modifié par Oneiropolos, 30 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Oneiropolos wrote...

First of all, the OP was not 'complaining' about it, merely explaining the stance of people who experience the phobia. Secondly, some phobias are notoriously difficult to overcome and take many hours in therapy to manage it with someone especially qualified to deal with phobias. This can cost thousands of dollars and still may not be successful. Thousands of dollars, or spending a few minutes writing a post pointing out that spiders really were used quite a lot and this is an issue for some people? The OP seems to have made the more intelligent choice to me... and as Gaider admits, spiders really WERE used quite a lot!

The homophobes feel the arachnophobes' pain.

Have some consistency here.

[IanTheTexan]

Simply put, a phobia is an anxiety disorder. Most Specific Phobias, like arachnophobia are irrational, meaning that the subject experiences a limbic system response in their brain at the sight of a specific trigger, whether it is physically there or not. The image of a realistic enough looking spider will scare an arachnophobe. That response is a hormonal release of a number of chemicals including adrenalin, and an activation of the subjects "fight or flight" response. It is a part of the psyche and the hardwiring of someone's brain. It is not a choice, it is not something someone just 'gets over.'

You can desensitize yourself to a specific trigger over time, but that is not a guaranteed cure and as a treatment it is usually administered by a professional. Some social phobias, like public speaking, can be overcome with hard work and dedication by some, and for others it leads to horrific panic attacks. Everyone is wired differently. Either way, that fight is within each individual, and will be overcome or not in his or her own time. Facing your fears is a brave thing, and deserves respect.

[naughty99]

This is a very interesting topic and the OP described his situation eloquently.

Personally, I enjoy the adrenaline rush of encountering frightening enemies, and would love to see even more of a sort of psychological horror reflected in the art direction and level design of future DA games or DLC.

[Oneiropolos]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Oneiropolos wrote...

First of all, the OP was not 'complaining' about it, merely explaining the stance of people who experience the phobia. Secondly, some phobias are notoriously difficult to overcome and take many hours in therapy to manage it with someone especially qualified to deal with phobias. This can cost thousands of dollars and still may not be successful. Thousands of dollars, or spending a few minutes writing a post pointing out that spiders really were used quite a lot and this is an issue for some people? The OP seems to have made the more intelligent choice to me... and as Gaider admits, spiders really WERE used quite a lot!

The homophobes feel the arachnophobes' pain.

Have some consistency here.

... Homophobia has never clincally been listed as a phobia. It's simply an intolerance. Arachnophobia, however, is suffered by 18% of western males and 55% of western females and IS a clinical phobia as per the DSM and ICD. That's all I'm going to say to that ignorance.  

[MKDAWUSS]

Oneiropolos wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Oneiropolos wrote...

First of all, the OP was not 'complaining' about it, merely explaining the stance of people who experience the phobia. Secondly, some phobias are notoriously difficult to overcome and take many hours in therapy to manage it with someone especially qualified to deal with phobias. This can cost thousands of dollars and still may not be successful. Thousands of dollars, or spending a few minutes writing a post pointing out that spiders really were used quite a lot and this is an issue for some people? The OP seems to have made the more intelligent choice to me... and as Gaider admits, spiders really WERE used quite a lot!

The homophobes feel the arachnophobes' pain.

Have some consistency here.

... Homophobia has never clincally been listed as a phobia. It's simply an intolerance. Arachnophobia, however, is suffered by 18% of western males and 55% of western females and IS a clinical phobia as per the DSM and ICD. That's all I'm going to say to that ignorance.  

It's a fear to overcome, be it homosexuals or spiders. Cater to one, you gotta' cater to all.

[The Angry One]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It's a fear to overcome, be it homosexuals or spiders. Cater to one, you gotta' cater to all.

You have the gall to compare prejudice against a perfectly normal human condition with fear of loathsome little creatures, some varieties of which can KILL YOU?

I don't have the words to describe your ignorance.

Modifié par The Angry One, 30 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[MKDAWUSS]

The Angry One wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It's a fear to overcome, be it homosexuals or spiders. Cater to one, you gotta' cater to all.

You have the gall to compare prejudice against a perfectly normal human condition with fear of loathsome little creatures, some varieties of which can KILL YOU?

I don't have the words to describe your ignorance.

Some humans can kill you too.

Not all spiders are dangerous. Most of the ones I encounter have been rather harmless. You leave them alone, they leave you alone.

Overall, homosexuals aren't harmful, and neither are spiders.

[The Angry One]

Humans are capable of reason.
Spiders are creatures who look repulsive and disgusting.
Is it their fault? Do I hate them for it? No. But they can kindly be where I am not.

[Edge2177]

I gotta admit, that 'Queen' Spider made me scared out of my wits. And I don't have an irrational fear of spiders ;p

Heck, it's CORPSE still scared me.

Modifié par Edge2177, 31 mars 2011 - 12:58 .

[The Angry One]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Go visit Mexico, Korea or China, where non-crustacean arthropods are consumed as delicacies.

Then you'll realize how delicious the Giant Spiders in DA2 look. Especially the ones fried black by chain lightnings - you can just bite off that blacked skin to expose the tender white meat beneath. And the Monstrous Spiders - feasts for the whole party! I bet they taste like lobsters/king crabs.

I hate you so much.

[TurboTwistedFire]

IanTheTexan wrote...
Tension, setting and music can do just as much or more of the scare work, but there is still a reason why I have no problem facing down an endless horde of zombies at the drop of a hat, but a romp through a cave outside Kirkwall gives me pause.

Haha. I just wanted to comment that I'm quite the opposite. I'll fight the spiders (Although they also make me a little uneasy), but zombies... that's a big N. O.

Although, the ones in Bioware don't scare me. I can deal with the skeletons or how they looked in Origins. But in Oblivion... No! I try to avoid quest with their zombies at all costs. Maybe it's the noise they make. They way they shamble about, reaching out for you. *Shudders*

I remember starting the Redcliffe quest for the very first time. As soon as Teagan started talking about the walking dead attacking the living at night, I pulled a poor play-off of an Indy line and said to myself, "Zombies... why did it have to be zombies?" It was night time at the time and I decided to put the game down until daylight to do the quest. Thankfully, those zombies weren't that frightening for me.

So no need to change your design of the undead, Bioware. They're fine the way they are.

Modifié par TurboTwistedFire, 31 mars 2011 - 02:48 .

[Beerfish]

Please remove all peanuts from future installments of dragon age.

[TurboTwistedFire]

^- Seconded.

[nekhbet]

Would love to see something else than the age-old spiders, yes. Not really because the BIG spiders had me screaming out loud when they jumped on me, but because spiders are overrepresented in fantasy games. Now, some nice giant leeches or maybe monstrous mites or mantises would be fun!

[zahra]

Thank you for writing this letter. The monster spider in the deep roads made me feel like throwing up. I had to get someone to play on my behalf and kill it for me. I am using a mod at the moment that changes the spiders into mabari and darkspawn, and even though it is entertaining it is extremely immersion-breaking.