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[Foryou]

Everyone it seems is complaining about the cliffhanger but didn't Origins also end with a cliffhanger in the epilogue and so did awakings

[PPR223]

They pretty much ended on the exact same cliffhanger, with both the Warden and Hawke happening to disappear at the end. I don't see the complaint either myself.

[PPR223]

Modifié par PPR223, 30 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[The Angry One]

Archdemon dead, Ferelden's leader secured.
Where's the cliffhanger?

[PPR223]

The Angry One wrote...

Archdemon dead, Ferelden's leader secured.
Where's the cliffhanger?

Well considering Awakening is Origins, then yes it does have a cliffhanger. Warden for no reason whatsoever just leaves Vigils Keep.

[Malja]

Yep. Some of the problem seems to come from the lack of epilogue screens. Guess Varric's narration doesn't cut it.

[Avissel]

The only reason people think 2 ended on a Cliff hanger was because they didn't include the epilogue slide show of what would happen years afterwords that people would then **** about when the expansion changed it.

[Invalidcode]

You got to ask your companions (if your Warden didn't die of course) in person of their plan, you got to know what happens later.

You know what happened to The Warden at the end of DA:O, heck you choose it for the Warden yourself.

Not to mention they let you know what happened to many named NPC.

DA:2
Hawke: Hey who said I want to leave/stay at Kirkwall?
Hawke: Hey my name is not Alistair, why forces me on the throne?
What happened to the companions?
What happened to the people (named NPCs) I met?

Most of the complains weren't just about the ending alone.

[raymonddhj]

Not really. Origins your goal was to raise an army to stop the blight by killing the archedemon. In DA2 you do not really have a true goal other than kill anyone who threatens you or your companions. You do not save Kirkwall. You are caught up in a religious/political battle that you do not even know how you got pulled in. Essentially you topple the infastructure of the city sate for the sheer purpose of Hawke's survival. At the end of the game you kill em all and.........WHAT? Hawke is MIA. Suspected for creating a plot to bring down the chantry, the circle, the Templars. Even after the cliffhanger I still play it again. Bioware bring on the DLC. This really reminds me of Half life episodic content from a few years back.

[Avissel]

Invalidcode wrote...
DA:2
Hawke: Hey who said I want to leave/stay at Kirkwall?
Hawke: Hey my name is not Alistair, why forces me on the throne?
What happened to the companions?
What happened to the people (named NPCs) I met?

Yeah, and then the expansions over wrote alot of those slides and people were pissed. So they didn't do the slides to avoid writing themselves into corners for the first expansion/DA3

[Malja]

Seems people like to forget Awakening happened.

[SIx_Foot_Imp]

While there were unanswered questions in both. In origins you ended the blight and theoretically brought peace to Fereldan and in Awakening you stopped the new threat of dark spawn by sending them into civil war. Here we ended with the entire city falling into chaos and multiples countries being torn apart by the fall of the chantry. In the first two there isn't much left for the warden to do but there is a direction for a sequel, here it just seems weird that we abandoned everything just as it was falling apart. Therefore the beginning of a war is more of a cliffhanger than a conclusion.

[Invalidcode]

Avissel wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...
DA:2
Hawke: Hey who said I want to leave/stay at Kirkwall?
Hawke: Hey my name is not Alistair, why forces me on the throne?
What happened to the companions?
What happened to the people (named NPCs) I met?

Yeah, and then the expansions over wrote alot of those slides and people were pissed. So they didn't do the slides to avoid writing themselves into corners for the first expansion/DA3

Yup, my guess is that DA3 pretty much leave them no choice but to let everything open.

[silver-crescent]

At the end of Origins, you got to know the fate of just about every single NPC you ever talked to during the whole game. That's pretty much the opposite of a cliffhanger

[Foryou]

The Angry One wrote...

Archdemon dead, Ferelden's leader secured.
Where's the cliffhanger?

At the end of the epilogue it talks about darkspawn attacking an area... then goes on to say but that is a story for another time

[Anariel Theirin]

Filament wrote...

The fate of the protagonist is much the same, but with DAO the conflict was mostly resolved however, unlike DA2 where a conflict has just erupted.

This, exactly.

Modifié par Anariel Theirin, 30 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[Vilegrim]

Malja wrote...

Seems people like to forget Awakening happened.

I know I try to

[i love lamp x3]

the slideshows go a long way. they provide closure for everything that happens in da:o/da:a. both say something like "...but most don't think the warden's adventures are over" but those aren't really cliffhangers. that's like you see a movie with a complete storyline but you know they're planning a sequel. include witch hunt and it's a bit more cliffhangery

but with da2, the only thing we know is hawke and his/her companions drifted apart except for the LI. we have no idea what will come of the mage/Templar war, which is the only real story arc in the game where you have to choose a side. we dont know why varric was being interrogated. and now whatever's going on with the warden and hawke is ultra mysterious.

[MKDAWUSS]

The Angry One wrote...

Archdemon dead, Ferelden's leader secured.
Where's the cliffhanger?

OGB

[Maria Caliban]

Foryou wrote...

Didn't Dragon Age also end in a cliffhanger..?

No.

A story has a question that it needs to answer by the end. The question for Origins was "Will the Warden defeat the Blight?"

We got the answer to that question in Origins, so the story finished. That things happen after the story finishes doesn't matter.

After Robin Hood overthrows the evil Prince, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story. After Luke blows up the Death Star, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story.

Lord of the Rings could end when the ring goes into the volcano. It has a very long denouncement but the story question has been satisfied.

[da0Xeffect2]

Technically, the DA:O ended with the Witch Hunt DLC. Big cliffhanger there. What if the Warden wen through the eluvian? We don't know what happened if he did. And if he did not what happened to the Warden? We could assume he/she went back to whatever they were originally doing, such as ruling Ferelden. However, maybe something happened before they got back. Also known as a cliffhanger.

[Lord Gremlin]

Warden stopped the fifth Blight. Hawke did nothing. She just happened to be around when everything happens.

And when an RPG game ends and player hasn't influenced anything it annoys the hell out of player. The real problem is that DA2 ends when you still haven't changed anything major.

[Hrodric]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Foryou wrote...

Didn't Dragon Age also end in a cliffhanger..?

No.

A story has a question that it needs to answer by the end. The question for Origins was "Will the Warden defeat the Blight?"

We got the answer to that question in Origins, so the story finished. That things happen after the story finishes doesn't matter.

After Robin Hood overthrows the evil Prince, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story. After Luke blows up the Death Star, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story.

Lord of the Rings could end when the ring goes into the volcano. It has a very long denouncement but the story question has been satisfied.

^ This.

[Eudaemonium]

Hrodric wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Foryou wrote...

Didn't Dragon Age also end in a cliffhanger..?

No.

A story has a question that it needs to answer by the end. The question for Origins was "Will the Warden defeat the Blight?"

We got the answer to that question in Origins, so the story finished. That things happen after the story finishes doesn't matter.

After Robin Hood overthrows the evil Prince, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story. After Luke blows up the Death Star, stuff still happens, but it doesn't matter for that story.

Lord of the Rings could end when the ring goes into the volcano. It has a very long denouncement but the story question has been satisfied.

^ This.

I always assumed the question for DA2 was "who was the CHampion and what did they do to put the world where it is?" - Cassandra's question. That gets answered at the end as well, even if the answer to the latter can sometimes be "absolutely nothing".