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[Tommy6860]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

I prefer depth of gameplay to flash graphics.

I prefer text to voiced conversations.

I prefer complex character building systems that incorporate non comabt skills and make them important to the game.

I don't really like mini maps with quest markers. I would prefer the player have to acquire a map from a cartographer and utilize the map like one would in real life (ie surveying landscapes etc.). I prefer for NPC's to conversate with me and explain how to reach a place rather than a magical location appearing on a GPS device.

I prefer dungeons that you can actually get lost in and maybe have to reload to a previous save if you failed to find your way out (then you just try again and improve your strategy).

I prefer dungeons that you need to really plan to enter prior to entering them because you really don't want to run out of resources half way in.

I prefer games where NPC's react to you being violent around them.

I prefer games where NPC's do things that might not have anything to do with the player.

I prefer games where choosing sides actually leads to definitive shifts in the game (ie certain pathways will become absolutely closed to you depending upon the choices you make.)

I prefer when games adhere to their own lore all the way down to gameplay. If something is not supposed to happen in the lore of the gameworld I don't think it should happen in gameplay of the gameworld. Lore and gameplay should form a cohesive whole.

I prefer games where the NPC/Enemies etc. follow the same rules as the player character.

I prefer games that have a detailed documentation of their rule systems so that i as a player can read into them and really understand the numbers behind the scenes.

I prefer a more simulation based gameplay approach to a more acade like gameplay approach. Stabbing people with knives/swords is extreme enough, it doesn't really need to be 'spiced' up.

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None of this means I don't like the new style of games I would just prefer a different style.

I'm with you on this for RPGs, for the most part.

[sonsonthebia07]

I guess I'd be the "new breed" since I'm only 21 and have only been playing RPGs for around 10 years or so.

I appreciate a lot of older RPGs though that I missed out on. I've recently been going back and playing some of them.

[88mphSlayer]

i don't like turn based AD&D if that's your question

but i still love games like Planescape Torment

[Crash_7]

@ Monkey Lungs

I tend to agree, but [that] game would appeal to far fewer than DA:O or DA 2. If I recall correctly there was a game that let you navigate astronomically, and others have had the mechanics you mention. That level of complexity would be awesome but perhaps not commercially viable?

[Tommy6860]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

riccaborto wrote...

I am a GOOD GAMES fan... no matter "old" or "new" school...

This. 

I don't consider myself a hardcore rpger but I can tell when a game is terrible, and DA2 is definitely terrible. 

What is your opinion of a good game Crisis?  I don't think I've seen you mention it.

 I like RPGS of all shapes and sizes.  I'm not picky

Mass Effect, even Mass Effect 2 which had a different direction but in that case it didn't cause detrimental problems because it was more action rpg/shooter orientated anyway. 

I can agree with this and I mentioned this before in another
thread. While I consider myself an RPG player first and foremost, as that
is my first love, I am borderline hardcore. What I mean by hardcore, is
that an RPG should be in character development, deep companion interaction
and rich storyline, not storytelling, especially the framed story that DA2 did,
that was total YUK!. As far as ME, I thought that was an awesome RPG, and so
what if it is sci-fi. RPGs should not be limited to medieval lore and if some
think because it has guns in it (though futuristic), it is a sci-fi adventure
set well into the future. I don't think we should limit ourselves to D&D 
as the only basis for a true RPG thinking.

ME2 went away from the elements that made ME awesome, and therefore, ME was by
far the better game. But, at least ME2 stayed with the story and objectives
that was in ME, something that DA2 didn't do as a follow-up to Origins.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 31 mars 2011 - 12:51 .

[Tommy6860]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Out of interest MonkeyLungs, have you played the original Deus Ex? Though it is played from a FPS perspective at a technical level, it has many of the things you've described. Especially the ability to approach most situations from different angles (combat, stealth, conversational, hacking). Admittedly, it is still quite linear in its objectives, but the ways in which you can get to the objectives are very flexible.

Though I like DE, it was too action oriented to be considered an RPG since it really didn't offer those elements. The game was more stealth than role playing. It felt more like Splinter Cell, IMO, and I loved SC. Having said that, I passed on DE2 and will on the next release as well, because it is jsut about like any other action game.

[Vhalkyrie]

I like tactical combat. I enjoyed the story of DA2, but I disliked the action style combat. One of my favorite things about DAO was the spell cocktails. While DA2 had multiclass spell combos, it just wasn't the same.  Blizzard in DAO was just an awesome fun spell.

I like being able to sense the presence of nearby enemies so I can setup traps and lures.

The reuse of dungeon maps is just sloppy.

So yeah, I guess I'm old school RPG. DAO was a massive success, and they messed with things that weren't broken.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 31 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

[tez19]

I am very proud to say I am NOT an old school RPG fan. I dislike those cry babies immensely.

[rpx78noob]

Neverwinter & baldurs gate = found too complicated, too much info to digest just on char creation. In fact, i was also pretending to ask someone with experience on BG2 for some motivation to go further in the game: whats it about that makes it so well spoken of?

Kotor & origins were my type of rpg. Origins went further in features and developement, and thus greater. Choices, info, development, customization, companions and influences, graphics, story etc.. didn't like the cut on casual dialogue on clicking a companion but all in all, it was still an extention of a good game. Now DA2, no "extentions" seem to make the game to my please, since it's base isn't the same: origins. 

Diablo was fine too, but had to play alone, no choices, party members, influence, alternate endings, so on..

First rpg played was shining force 2, it was nice introduction to genre, very simple, but i prefer kotor's and origins style of combat, without turns :S

Btw, there's an interesting conclusion i could take out of this: keep making DLC's of stories for Origins. Why not? There's a crowd here that love the game as it is.. and still making $$, everyone profits 

Modifié par rpx78noob, 31 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[Tommy6860]

rpx78noob wrote...

Neverwinter & baldurs gate = found too complicated, too much info to digest just on char creation.

Kotor & origins were my type of rpg. Origins went further in features and developement, and thus greater. Choices, info, development, costumization, companions and influences, graphics, story etc.. didn't like the cut on casual dialogue on clicking a companion but all in all, it was still an extention of a good game. Now DA2, no "extentions" seem to make the game to my please, since it's base isn't the same: origins. 

Diablo was fine too, but had to play alone, no choices, party members, influence, alternate endings, so on..

First rpg played was shining force 2, it was nice introduction to genre, very simple, but i prefer kotor's and origins style of combat, without turns :S

Btw, there's an interesting conclusion i could take out of this: keep making DLC's of stories for Origins. Why not? There's a crowd here that love the game as it is.. and still making $$, everyone profits 

Kotor was great, too bad I played it on the Xbox, the framerate was horrendous. But, it was more an action game than RPG to be honest, and I wouldn't put it in the same line of thinking for RPGs as Origins or Balder's Gate. But, it was an RPG along the lines of ME, so I liked it a great deal. BG was awesome, but NWN, I didn't care for, as it was more a hack-n-slash type game than RPG.

[Kandid001]

riccaborto wrote...

I am a GOOD GAMES fan... no matter "old" or "new" school...

Basically this. I enjoy some new games as much as some classics.

[Lord Atlia]

I grew up playing role playing games such as AD&D, FF series, Chrono series, Baldur's Gate and so forth. These days I love the experience role playing games give you but hate the game play so I enjoyed experiencing DA:O much more than playing it and I would say the same for DA2. I would much rather RP elements be added to other genres with more solid game play such as 3rd person shooters or twitch action games, which is probably why I love ME2 so much.

[Mantaal]

So i really dont understand this thread..
You think that DA2 isnt an Oldschool RPG and you like it because its something new and Fresh?
How about Action Games with RPG Elements? Diablo1 really is there for awile now

But i dont care if its Oldschool RPG or an Oldschool Action-RPG a Crap game is just a crap game.

Btw when i think about it i need to consider myselve as an Oldschool RPG player. Since these where the first RPGs i played

The Dark Dimension on C64 1987



And Amberstar on Amiga  1992

Modifié par Mantaal, 31 mars 2011 - 01:39 .

[Seifz]

I prefer the following:

- A well-written, cohesive story.
- Romances that don't feel tacked on and pointless.
- Tactical combat.
- Levels, gear, stats, etc.

Seriously, I want a cohesive story. None of this nonsense where I'm free to explore, but nothing that I do in one area ever matters in the others. And why doesn't the hero ever have a sense of time or urgency?

I can't think of a single game that fits these requirements.

[rpx78noob]

Lord Atlia wrote...

I grew up playing role playing games such as AD&D, FF series, Chrono series, Baldur's Gate and so forth. These days I love the experience role playing games give you but hate the game play so I enjoyed experiencing DA:O much more than playing it and I would say the same for DA2. I would much rather RP elements be added to other genres with more solid game play such as 3rd person shooters or twitch action games, which is probably why I love ME2 so much.

A game that joins action fps with rpg in a great way is Mount & Blade. Sandboxed, but still great for a small production. There's a lot of rpg elements in it combined with action. (Apart from the graphics, of course, they're too simple.)

[Alexander1136]

i gotta say i liked old school socom, old school baulders gate, and i liked origins better than da2. i like it when a game makes you use tactics and is really deep in content and not flashy and new but more gameplay oriented in terms of difficulty and freedom for the player. that kind of thing is fun every once in awhile like a party co-op game but when i actually game i enjoy a challenge that is lacking in a lot of modern games.

[rpx78noob]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Kotor was great, too bad I played it on the Xbox, the framerate was horrendous. But, it was more an action game than RPG to be honest, and I wouldn't put it in the same line of thinking for RPGs as Origins or Balder's Gate. But, it was an RPG along the lines of ME, so I liked it a great deal. BG was awesome, but NWN, I didn't care for, as it was more a hack-n-slash type game than RPG.

I played it on pc and i found combat to be as tactical as origins is. There was costumization, choices, lots of multiple dialogue choices, the option of developing a char dark/light side based on actions (i mean actions, not mob killing, but situations where, by, dialogue, you could choose stuff). 

And so, could anyone resume BG2 so i can get motivated to play it?  

[DraCZeQQ]

riccaborto wrote...

I am a GOOD GAMES fan... no matter "old" or "new" school...

this sums it up =)

[RussMajere]

I'm not sure what an old school/hardcore RPG fan is, but I love the BG and IWD series, hated NWN, loved NWN2, never played ME (still on my shelf, don't have time for it yet), love both DAO and DA2... I also like Halo, NBA2k, Civ series and a crapload of other games. So I'm not sure if I'm a "hardcore" RPG fan. For some reason, I imagine those people as only liking RPGS, JRPGS, tactical RPGS, LARPing and doing table top gaming, and if that's how you define it then no... I doubt a lot of them exist anymore, I think it was a late 80s early 90s thing,.. they probably branched out of all that now

[Slayer299]

I started out playing games like Ultima III and Wizardry: PGotMO and then the BG series/IWD so I guess you can call me an old school RPG fan, but I like Civ, MechWarrior III and even CoD2.

For the most part I've enjoyed Bioware's titles like ME, KotOR and even JE, but when DAO came out it was just such a sweet step back towards the style of RPG's I love (they've even got a BG2 mod for DAO!. Sorry, couldn't resist ).

But DA2 isn't a step towards something new, it was an attempt to make crap, slap a pretty face on it and sell it to customers for a price of an actually well-made, game.

[neppakyo]

Slayer299 wrote...

I started out playing games like Ultima III and Wizardry: PGotMO and then the BG series/IWD so I guess you can call me an old school RPG fan, but I like Civ, MechWarrior III and even CoD2.

For the most part I've enjoyed Bioware's titles like ME, KotOR and even JE, but when DAO came out it was just such a sweet step back towards the style of RPG's I love (they've even got a BG2 mod for DAO!. Sorry, couldn't resist ).

But DA2 isn't a step towards something new, it was an attempt to make crap, slap a pretty face on it and sell it to customers for a price of an actually well-made, game.

*applauds*

I keep peeking in time to time to see how the BG2 mod for DA:O is comming along. Last I read, you'll need the original BG2 game for it. Sounds ambitious and I want to give that a try.

[Slayer299]

neppakyo wrote...

*applauds*

I keep peeking in time to time to see how the BG2 mod for DA:O is comming along. Last I read, you'll need the original BG2 game for it. Sounds ambitious and I want to give that a try.

No, it shouldn't, although I'll have to do a quick check since I haven't looked in in a few weeks. But last I read you needed a vanilla DAO, no mods installed. Oh, and weren't they finished with Irenicus' dungeon? (It does look seriously awesome right down to detail from the original, especially Minsc!) I know they hadn't put up anything about Athkatla yet.

Okay, went back and yeah, it says that future modules, after Irenny's dungeon will require BG2 installed, although I don't have the GOG version, mine's a touch older

edit - added reply.

Modifié par Slayer299, 31 mars 2011 - 02:45 .

[Well]

When BG first came out it hooked me on rpgs.Until then I was a WC fan.As far as old school well I got the old part down.I remember when the Rockie Mts were foothills.I have played the BW games but also a Diablo fan.I been playing Guild Wars for over 5 years.So I don't just play strictly "hardcore rpgs" They are just my favorite type of game.

[QuiQui]

Some of you folks here mentioned the Ultima CRPG series... Good times....

Strangely, even with graphics befitting a CGA monitor (ie. limited colours, 2D stick figurines) they were a load of fun. This is due to the engaging gameplay, story-telling and immersion.

Furthermore, in modern CRPGs there is a lack of ability to interact with the environment. In Ultima 7 one could sit on chairs, sleep in beds, hunt, cook, eat....etc...There were day/night cycles, NPCs went about their own routines. If you were caught looting in an NPC's house, they would react by attacking you.

Not that it had any impact on plot quests or anything, just that it felt more immersive in spite of the primitive graphics

[neppakyo]

Slayer299 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

*applauds*

I keep peeking in time to time to see how the BG2 mod for DA:O is comming along. Last I read, you'll need the original BG2 game for it. Sounds ambitious and I want to give that a try.

No, it shouldn't, although I'll have to do a quick check since I haven't looked in in a few weeks. But last I read you needed a vanilla DAO, no mods installed. Oh, and weren't they finished with Irenicus' dungeon? (It does look seriously awesome right down to detail from the original, especially Minsc!) I know they hadn't put up anything about Athkatla yet.

Okay, went back and yeah, it says that future modules, after Irenny's dungeon will require BG2 installed, although I don't have the GOG version, mine's a touch older

edit - added reply.

Hehe yeah. I lost my original BG2 I'm guessing the future module will require BG2, for all the dialogue perhaps? I haven't really read in-depth, just browsed.

Be really cool if/when they pull it off.