How much time was supposed to have past between Origins and Awakening? Something has bugged me about Anders being there and then it hit me.
Chronologically, did he really have enough time to go from Awakening to becoming pretty good friends with Justice to whatever happened to make him and Justice merge to setting up his clinic in Kirkwall to meeting Hawke that early in DA2?
A Question About Anders NOT About His Orientation
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:01
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Sshhhhhhh.
Time waving finger magic.
(I've been seriously confused, too, as I thought the Blight took about two years, then the WC did the whole Vigil's keep, so I was coming up with Anders being a GW about three years after the beginning of the Blight)
I think it's just... don't think too hard about it.
Time waving finger magic.
(I've been seriously confused, too, as I thought the Blight took about two years, then the WC did the whole Vigil's keep, so I was coming up with Anders being a GW about three years after the beginning of the Blight)
I think it's just... don't think too hard about it.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:05
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- The fifth blight lasted about 6 months.
- Shortly after the archdemon falls, the warden is assigned as Warden Commander in Vigil's Keep. If you married Anora or Alistair, I get the feeling it was a short honeymoon.
- Not sure how long the events in Awakenings took place, but Anders, Justice, and the Warden were essentially war buddies to eliminate the Mother. Comraderie builds very quickly among soldiers. Their shared experiences of death and killing build bonds that most of us will never truly understand. Very fortunately.
- Shortly after the archdemon falls, the warden is assigned as Warden Commander in Vigil's Keep. If you married Anora or Alistair, I get the feeling it was a short honeymoon.
- Not sure how long the events in Awakenings took place, but Anders, Justice, and the Warden were essentially war buddies to eliminate the Mother. Comraderie builds very quickly among soldiers. Their shared experiences of death and killing build bonds that most of us will never truly understand. Very fortunately.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:08
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And they couldn't have, you know, become friends during the events of Awakening?sheppard7 wrote...
How much time was supposed to have past between Origins and Awakening? Something has bugged me about Anders being there and then it hit me.
Chronologically, did he really have enough time to go from Awakening to becoming pretty good friends with Justice to whatever happened to make him and Justice merge to setting up his clinic in Kirkwall to meeting Hawke that early in DA2?
It's not as if all of that happened in a day.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:09
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The flaw is that supposedly Awakening was 6 months after the blight ended. All of it happening in the same year. But then how long does Awakening take to complete? It all doesn't quite fit. For example Felsi managed to pop out a kid between origins and awakening. It doesn't really add up. How the timelines really fit? They don't really. At least not long enough for Anders to have gone through Awakening and all the way Kirkwall to having his own one stop std cure center. Best not to worry your pretty little head over it.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:13
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I posted a timeline in another thread (here: http://social.biowar...96351/6#6852777 ) .
The short answer: no, it doesn't work. If Anders were to first appear in Act II, then all events could play out with sufficient spacing to make sense.
The short answer: no, it doesn't work. If Anders were to first appear in Act II, then all events could play out with sufficient spacing to make sense.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:15
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LOL, I forgot to add Felsi and Oghren's kid to the TL; but yes, unless getstation is preternaturallyTorax wrote...
The flaw is that supposedly Awakening was 6 months after the blight ended. All of it happening in the same year. But then how long does Awakening take to complete? It all doesn't quite fit. For example Felsi managed to pop out a kid between origins and awakening. It doesn't really add up. How the timelines really fit? They don't really. At least not long enough for Anders to have gone through Awakening and all the way Kirkwall to having his own one stop std cure center. Best not to worry your pretty little head over it.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:16
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Makeshift Riot wrote...
And they couldn't have, you know, become friends during the events of Awakening?sheppard7 wrote...
How much time was supposed to have past between Origins and Awakening? Something has bugged me about Anders being there and then it hit me.
Chronologically, did he really have enough time to go from Awakening to becoming pretty good friends with Justice to whatever happened to make him and Justice merge to setting up his clinic in Kirkwall to meeting Hawke that early in DA2?
It's not as if all of that happened in a day.
Still Justice had a body not using Anders. So you can't just say Anders went from Awakening to immediately leaving for Kirkwall with Justice inside. And Awakening ending, I didn't feel Justice was really tight with anyone as Anders made it seem when he explained about Justice. Anders dialogue makes it seem like they got pretty good friends before the merge happened so Anders offered himself.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:21
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SirLysander wrote...
LOL, I forgot to add Felsi and Oghren's kid to the TL; but yes, unless getstation is preternaturallyTorax wrote...
The flaw is that supposedly Awakening was 6 months after the blight ended. All of it happening in the same year. But then how long does Awakening take to complete? It all doesn't quite fit. For example Felsi managed to pop out a kid between origins and awakening. It doesn't really add up. How the timelines really fit? They don't really. At least not long enough for Anders to have gone through Awakening and all the way Kirkwall to having his own one stop std cure center. Best not to worry your pretty little head over it.shortquickfor dwarves...
lol. I see what you did.
Thanks for the link to your post. I'm glad I wasn't the first to question this. :happy:
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:22
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Yes, as SirLysander has pointed out, there's been a lively discussion going on about the timeline, travel times, and all sorts of other bits here: http://social.biowar...index/6796351/5 starting around page 5 lol - we kinda hijacked the thread with it actually.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:26
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1.) He didn't immediatly leave the events. Had you read the end of Awakenings it explains what they did prior to DA2. I mean logic would tell you that there was time in between a & b events. I believe they said "in the years following". So I am going to say its probably 2 years after Awakenings 3 after the end of the blight since you meet him in the first act.sheppard7 wrote...
Makeshift Riot wrote...
And they couldn't have, you know, become friends during the events of Awakening?sheppard7 wrote...
How much time was supposed to have past between Origins and Awakening? Something has bugged me about Anders being there and then it hit me.
Chronologically, did he really have enough time to go from Awakening to becoming pretty good friends with Justice to whatever happened to make him and Justice merge to setting up his clinic in Kirkwall to meeting Hawke that early in DA2?
It's not as if all of that happened in a day.
Still Justice had a body not using Anders. So you can't just say Anders went from Awakening to immediately leaving for Kirkwall with Justice inside. And Awakening ending, I didn't feel Justice was really tight with anyone as Anders made it seem when he explained about Justice. Anders dialogue makes it seem like they got pretty good friends before the merge happened so Anders offered himself.
Maybe they weren't really good friends and Justice manipulated Anders. Merrill even says that there is no such thing as a good spirt.
It's open to interpritation for a reason; they want you to apply your own view point.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:30
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The trick is it's not years past. Why the epilogues and time lines don't work. Take it all with a gain of salt and just follow the story before you.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:32
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Well, here's how I figure it. The warden left Lothering before it was overrun. Your warden had to complete one of the three treaty quests for Lothering to be overrun. Between escaping the wilds to Lothering to whichever treaty quest you undertake, I would say this takes about 3 months (longer if the warden does Redcliffe first). This means that at a minimum of 3 months into the blight, Hawke and his family are trying to outrun the encroaching horde in South Reach. Hawkes family reaches Kirkwall within a couple months of the fall of Lothering (including travel to Gwaren, sailing, etc). So 5-6 months into the blight, Hawke has arrived in the Gallows. Our Hawke now has one year of servitude.
The warden will hopefully wrap up the rest of his her quests, depose Loghain and crown a new ruler within 3 - 5 months of Hawke arriving in Kirkwall. Six months later, our Warden arrives at Amaranthine, meets Anders, and spends the next month or so taking care of the Architect and crazed Broodmother. After that, our warden runs around doing DLC and Anders "makes a deal with the devil".
Just for the record, my Warden would NEVER make Anders give up Ser Pounce A Lot. I blame that ponce of an Orlesian warden we meet in the deep roads. He did while I was away. Bread and water for you!
The warden will hopefully wrap up the rest of his her quests, depose Loghain and crown a new ruler within 3 - 5 months of Hawke arriving in Kirkwall. Six months later, our Warden arrives at Amaranthine, meets Anders, and spends the next month or so taking care of the Architect and crazed Broodmother. After that, our warden runs around doing DLC and Anders "makes a deal with the devil".
Just for the record, my Warden would NEVER make Anders give up Ser Pounce A Lot. I blame that ponce of an Orlesian warden we meet in the deep roads. He did while I was away. Bread and water for you!
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:34
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One of 4 treaty quests. The Arl's Knights are basically your human treaty cause Loghain was starting a whole Civil War thing.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:37
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Easiest handwave? Varric's lying or misremembering the dates. 
Not pretty, but it's what I went with any time there was an inconsistency.
Not pretty, but it's what I went with any time there was an inconsistency.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:38
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Makeshift Riot wrote...
1.) He didn't immediatly leave the events. Had you read the end of Awakenings it explains what they did prior to DA2. I mean logic would tell you that there was time in between a & b events. I believe they said "in the years following". So I am going to say its probably 2 years after Awakenings 3 after the end of the blight since you meet him in the first act.sheppard7 wrote...
Makeshift Riot wrote...
And they couldn't have, you know, become friends during the events of Awakening?sheppard7 wrote...
How much time was supposed to have past between Origins and Awakening? Something has bugged me about Anders being there and then it hit me.
Chronologically, did he really have enough time to go from Awakening to becoming pretty good friends with Justice to whatever happened to make him and Justice merge to setting up his clinic in Kirkwall to meeting Hawke that early in DA2?
It's not as if all of that happened in a day.
Still Justice had a body not using Anders. So you can't just say Anders went from Awakening to immediately leaving for Kirkwall with Justice inside. And Awakening ending, I didn't feel Justice was really tight with anyone as Anders made it seem when he explained about Justice. Anders dialogue makes it seem like they got pretty good friends before the merge happened so Anders offered himself.
Maybe they weren't really good friends and Justice manipulated Anders. Merrill even says that there is no such thing as a good spirt.
It's open to interpritation for a reason; they want you to apply your own view point.
I only finished Awakening once so maybe I need to do that ending again just to see it. At the time I did finish it, DA2 wasn't released yet so I could have missed things in that post-game part as I admit I did really skim it. I'll just replay the end save when I get a chance. But I do seem to remember the "in the years that followed" line although vaguely I admit.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:45
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Another reason that we have to take Epilogues with a grain of salt. Where is that crazy lunatic Cullen that was in my Epilogue? Alistair was still a drunk. Why is Cullen magically stable again? I call bunk.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 07:50
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You didn't have drunk Alistair in the Hanged Man?
Yeah, I recall one of my endings where Cullen goes insane and kills a lot of mages in a frenzy if you chose the mage boon at the end. I didn't use that import, but I wondered if Cullen would have mentioned that.
Yeah, I recall one of my endings where Cullen goes insane and kills a lot of mages in a frenzy if you chose the mage boon at the end. I didn't use that import, but I wondered if Cullen would have mentioned that.
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