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I agree with Bastal, Bioware has really flopped on Dragon Age 2. Not only are players frequently swept up in homosexual love affair conversations quite innocently - I got involved in one with Anders after telling him something about liking a man with a checkered past - then bammo! Flaming gay city - but even the heterosexual relationships that are available, just scream depraved.

Heterosexual males have to choose from: a pedophile affair with Merrim (who looks something akin to a prepubescent moon bat), Aveline (who is a fembot captain of the guard on steroids), or Isabelle - (also a steroid user - see biceps, but add in the promiscuity of a chihuahua prior to being fixed).

I eventually chose Isabelle because I wanted some bonuses and needed a good thief - I really had to suspend my moral character to even get involved with such a tawdry character, but it wasn't until later that my jaw dropped in disgust. Somewhere on the coastline, I met an old gay friend from Dragon Age Origins by the name of Zevren. Well, Isabelle just swooned all over the horny gay elf and decided to run off - I made the mistake of questioning the encounter, at which point she suggested a boy girl boy sandwich.

This really is not the stuff of role-playing games, but has gone well and truly past the point of political correctness. Not only are we now completely out of the medieval genre in terms of warrior maidens galore, but in terms of sexual depravity and homosexuality - we are squarely in the present day - I think that's what we were trying to escape in the first place when we booted the game up?

Frankly, the homosexual indoctrination and feminism might be tolerable if not so blatant and over the top, but the repetitive battle fields (how many warehouses are there anyway that look exactly the same?), inability to use half the equipment you come across and limited interactions with your skanky trans-sexual team mates - you have to be in their home to talk to them!? really snowballed into a pale shadow of the original (Origins).

At one point, in the **** house - yes, there's one of those too, I ran into an interesting character. I should preface by saying that my intentions were good (on screen text during loading hinted that there might be a quest involved if I were to become premier clientele) so I started hitting up the prostitutes (half of whom were male). It was with some difficulty that I managed to avoid most of the male prostitutes, but one appeared as a female elf. When I plunked down the coin - egads! The female elf had a man's voice. Where's the cancel button at a time like that!? The game forces your character into homosexual situations on an ongoing basis - so of course my character slept with the transvestite while I hit X for escape like I was playing Space Invaders.

Certainly some improvements were made to the game, outside of the homosexual character interactions (which again, are hard to avoid) in terms of graphics and battle scenes. But, the repetitive nature of the scenery and the fetch and grab quests, along with other silly elements really sank the game.

Origins was a masterpiece. This? This is the shadow of a masterpiece.

Modifié par TheSharpenedPen, 30 mars 2011 - 07:54 .


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Funny I didn't end up in a homosexual romance with anyone.

Pro Tip: Dont use the options with the heart when talking to other dudes.

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TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Merrim (who looks something akin to a prepubescent moon bat)

I disagree with everything you've said, but this got a giggle out of me.

TheSharpenedPen wrote...
Well, Isabelle just swooned all over the horny gay elf and decided to run off - I made the mistake of questioning the encounter, at which point she suggested a boy girl boy sandwich.

Does she say that if you're playing a dude Hawke? How rude. Hawke is the hero, he should be in the middle.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 mars 2011 - 07:56 .


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The male gay romances seemed to come out very quickly (as in darn near 1st convo the hearts were appearing) and the blooming rose trick was not done well, you can trick a player by taking their coin but you certainly can't seize control of them and force them to do the act with the tranny other than that there was no problem at all. Kirkwall is supposed to be a bit of a seedy place and you should be able to avoid most of those situations.

The excellent companion dynamics and banter, decent main story and quality of some of the quests made up for the repeating locations (which most everyone agrees was not good).

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MJRick wrote...

Funny I didn't end up in a homosexual romance with anyone.

Pro Tip: Dont use the options with the heart when talking to other dudes.


This.

You're complaining that you got into a relationship with a guy after initiating it yourself.

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So you took your "moral" character to a brothel that seems odd.

Modifié par Fenn , 30 mars 2011 - 07:57 .


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Anders made me play DA2 and THEN romance him. I feel so used.

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I have biceps like Isabella's, you might want to try the gym if you find them problematic.

The rest? Blah blah blah.

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You cannot romance Aveline.
And you have a choice. If you don't like them then don't romance any one. [/thread]

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Seriously, if you like being forced to have sex with a transvestite elf, then this is your game, but for me, it really trashed the role-playing element having to engage and disengage from so many gay entanglements.

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You are heavily reading into it as ****** sexual when the females get the exact same flirt window. There is no difference this go around. The closest thing to bioware ever more having a character more orientated was just in Origins. Leliana is quick to try and flatter a female warden about her hair, but that is because Leliana prefers females. Where a guy may read into it the wrong way, Zevran approaches males and females more evenly. Though he is faster to flatter a female during the first meeting but just jokes with a male at first.

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TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Seriously, if you like being forced to have sex with a transvestite elf, then this is your game, but for me, it really trashed the role-playing element having to engage and disengage from so many gay entanglements.

Feeling a little inscure with your sexuality. Homophobia is not attractive.
You do not have to flirt with any one.
Stop whining.

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Well, that's how Isabela rolls. You should have known that.
And you can't complain about Anders. As someone said, you flirted with him.

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This thread makes me giggle.

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How many threads from affronted straight males does this make? Like, twenty-seven? Something like that.

I haven't seen any front affronted straight females, though. I mean, Isabela is just as overt about her interest in women as Anders is about his interest in men, and yet I haven't seen anyone complain about her. *sigh*

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Merrill* Isabela* Gee, you sure give a **** for one with such a lengthy opinion. I have no problem with the homosexual attributes, and although I wish there was a little more heterosexual content to balance out the love meter, a lot of the homosexual stuff just gave me a laugh or didn't register as indecent to anyone who's not homophobic (I hate using that word, because it pops up far more often than "heterophobic", which I've never even seen).

Although, I gotta agree with you with the elf woma-- OH, DAMN! THAT'S A MAN!? I think that was Bioware providing themselves with S's and G's, considering you get 0 warning. Probably quite a racket when they were developping that bit. 

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Oh, and back to Isabella - what the hell! AFTER she sleeps with Zevran anyway, despite my protests, and absent the offered three-some, our two characters get back together in the end and sail off into the sunset!? Not bloody likely! Again, I wish there were some escape button - there is no way in hell I would take back that tawdry tramp for all the gold in Kirkwall after something like that. Again, this game forces morally questionable choices on the player. Isabella is lucky I thought in cruel to send her off with the Quanari (though I thought long and hard about letting them have her).

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You won't get involved with someone without initiating it yourself. I think DA2 handles sexuality really well.

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btw the choice is clearly your own. Could argue confusion in the quest flag over Jethann's head like you have a mission to sleep with him. But if you hit a flirt button with Anders or Fenris it's your own fault. Truth be told I didn't really know what it meant. It took my first game to realize that it kind of means the "I will sleep with you button". Which even gets those. It's all just in your hands if you decide to use them.

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 08:08 .


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TheSharpenedPen wrote...

I agree with Bastal, Bioware has really flopped on Dragon Age 2. Not only are players frequently swept up in homosexual love affair conversations quite innocently - I got involved in one with Anders after telling him something about liking a man with a checkered past - then bammo! Flaming gay city - but even the heterosexual relationships that are available, just scream depraved.

Heterosexual males have to choose from: a pedophile affair with Merrim (who looks something akin to a prepubescent moon bat), Aveline (who is a fembot captain of the guard on steroids), or Isabelle - (also a steroid user - see biceps, but add in the promiscuity of a chihuahua prior to being fixed).

I eventually chose Isabelle because I wanted some bonuses and needed a good thief - I really had to suspend my moral character to even get involved with such a tawdry character, but it wasn't until later that my jaw dropped in disgust. Somewhere on the coastline, I met an old gay friend from Dragon Age Origins by the name of Zevren. Well, Isabelle just swooned all over the horny gay elf and decided to run off - I made the mistake of questioning the encounter, at which point she suggested a boy girl boy sandwich.

This really is not the stuff of role-playing games, but has gone well and truly past the point of political correctness. Not only are we now completely out of the medieval genre in terms of warrior maidens galore, but in terms of sexual depravity and homosexuality - we are squarely in the present day - I think that's what we were trying to escape in the first place when we booted the game up?

Frankly, the homosexual indoctrination and feminism might be tolerable if not so blatant and over the top, but the repetitive battle fields (how many warehouses are there anyway that look exactly the same?), inability to use half the equipment you come across and limited interactions with your skanky trans-sexual team mates - you have to be in their home to talk to them!? really snowballed into a pale shadow of the original (Origins).

At one point, in the **** house - yes, there's one of those too, I ran into an interesting character. I should preface by saying that my intentions were good (on screen text during loading hinted that there might be a quest involved if I were to become premier clientele) so I started hitting up the prostitutes (half of whom were male). It was with some difficulty that I managed to avoid most of the male prostitutes, but one appeared as a female elf. When I plunked down the coin - egads! The female elf had a man's voice. Where's the cancel button at a time like that!? The game forces your character into homosexual situations on an ongoing basis - so of course my character slept with the transvestite while I hit X for escape like I was playing Space Invaders.

Certainly some improvements were made to the game, outside of the homosexual character interactions (which again, are hard to avoid) in terms of graphics and battle scenes. But, the repetitive nature of the scenery and the fetch and grab quests, along with other silly elements really sank the game.

Origins was a masterpiece. This? This is the shadow of a masterpiece.

You do have an option to say no do you get this upset when a bisexual person hits on you in real life?
Which one of the teammates is transsexual?
People were gay and bisexual in medieval times read a history book.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 30 mars 2011 - 08:10 .


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Homophobic - the fear of homogenized milk. No, I disapprove of the lifestyle most certainly, but I'm no more afraid of homosexuals than anyone else. What I object to is my character being forced into homosexual relationships. In the medieval ages, there would be none of this crap going on, and it really kills the authenticity of the game.

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Let's put the social commentary aside for a moment.

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

I agree with Bastal, Bioware has really flopped on Dragon Age 2. Not only are players frequently swept up in homosexual love affair conversations quite innocently - I got involved in one with Anders after telling him something about liking a man with a checkered past - then bammo! Flaming gay city - but even the heterosexual relationships that are available, just scream depraved.


Anders is the only love interest that puts you in this situation without selecting a heart option. It's a quality of Anders than it is of love interests in general. Tell Anders that you don't swing that way, and he won't ever mention it again. The other romance options requires persistence and you to take the initiative. Don't flirt and they won't flirt back

Heterosexual males have to choose from: a pedophile affair with Merrim (who looks something akin to a prepubescent moon bat), Aveline (who is a fembot captain of the guard on steroids), or Isabelle - (also a steroid user - see biceps, but add in the promiscuity of a chihuahua prior to being fixed).


Keep in mind that romances are completely optional. If you don't want your Hawke with any of them, then... don't romance any of them. You won't lose any gameplay effects whatsoever if you don't.

I eventually chose Isabelle because I wanted some bonuses and needed a good thief - I really had to suspend my moral character to even get involved with such a tawdry character, but it wasn't until later that my jaw dropped in disgust. Somewhere on the coastline, I met an old gay friend from Dragon Age Origins by the name of Zevren. Well, Isabelle just swooned all over the horny gay elf and decided to run off - I made the mistake of questioning the encounter, at which point she suggested a boy girl boy sandwich.


You actually don't need to romance somebody to get their friendship or rivalry bonus. You only need their approval rating far enough along to qualify. In that particular situation, if you had been romancing Isabela and told her "I don't want you to do this", she would have listened and not done it.

At one point, in the **** house - yes, there's one of those too, I ran into an interesting character. I should preface by saying that my intentions were good (on screen text during loading hinted that there might be a quest involved if I were to become premier clientele) so I started hitting up the prostitutes (half of whom were male). It was with some difficulty that I managed to avoid most of the male prostitutes, but one appeared as a female elf. When I plunked down the coin - egads! The female elf had a man's voice. Where's the cancel button at a time like that!? The game forces your character into homosexual situations on an ongoing basis - so of course my character slept with the transvestite while I hit X for escape like I was playing Space Invaders.


You do realize that there was a ****house in Dragon Age: Origins, right? There was a similar situation there too, except instead of someone like Serenity (whom you evidently found), you can end up in a room naked with a bunch of nugs. I don't know about you, but implied bestiality is more depraved than implied homosexuality in my book.

Certainly some improvements were made to the game, outside of the homosexual character interactions (which again, are hard to avoid) in terms of graphics and battle scenes. But, the repetitive nature of the scenery and the fetch and grab quests, along with other silly elements really sank the game.


The only homosexual character interaction in the game that is hard to avoid is Anders in act 1. Aside from that, just say no and it won't happen.

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Nobody's forcing you to romance anyone. The game doesn't tie you down and make you pick one of the options. It's OPTIONAL. Also, Anders is the only person that actively tries at a realtionship, even if your Hawke is female. Just turn him down there, you get ten Rivalry points - which are easily counterbalanced if you keep Anders around - and he LEAVES YOU ALONE.

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TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Seriously, if you like being forced to have sex with a transvestite elf, then this is your game, but for me, it really trashed the role-playing element having to engage and disengage from so many gay entanglements.


A)  In reference to your first post, Aveline is not a romance option, and is actually rather attractive

B)  You seem very good at stumbling into gay sex. 

C)  Get back under your bridge.

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Zevran was always an option in Origins. I never used it but it was there for those that liked the guy. Leliana was the other bisexual. The funny double standard is how 2 males seems to have some people blow a gasket but the 2 female thing not so much. Leliana being all in love with females is great and all candy but suddenly when they ask Zevran "Do you look at everyone like that?" they get appalled and feel like a crime has been committed upon them.

btw don't forget the bunch of nugs and a dwarf in drag from the Pearl. Crap was classic.

For an extra edit

Why do I get the feeling the OP had probably a lesbian threesome in at least one of his origins play through. Or at least a 2 girls and 1 boy.

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 08:14 .