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[TheSharpenedPen]

Oops those were three choices, although arguably if I had known what the heart meant, it falls back to two.

[Melca36]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Anyway, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the game - and believe me I was a die-hard fan of Origins, but I'm one of the few brave enough to just tell it like it is. Most gamers don't use these boards. I don't use these boards myself - I've read through postings a few times, but it was only when I chanced across a posting by Bastal that I got fired up enough to say something.

Most people on these forums are such fan boys (and girls) that the game could propose cannibalistic pedophilia with donkeys thrown in and not bat an eye. The reality is that most of the gamers out there don't post on these forums and that many of them feel as Bastal and I do.

I expected to be on the receiving end of plenty of ire, but really, were these elements of the game necessary and did they contribute or distract from the experience? These are the real questions.

There are gay gamers and there a female gamers. GET USED TO IT!!!!!  We are not going away.

Now go wait for Duke Nukem Forever like a good male gamer....since that is probably more your speed.

[Gamer Ftw]

UltiPup wrote...

TheSharpenedPen wrote...
 I got involved in one with Anders after telling him something about liking a man with a checkered past - then bammo! Flaming gay city - but even the heterosexual relationships that are available, just scream depraved.

So, you are mad that the little heart icon turned out to be the obvious? You are seriously in a fit that flirting actually leads somewhere? SOUND THE GUARD! LOGIC IS RUINING YOUR LIFE!!!!!

Good god you met a transvestite?! THOSE ARE THE STUFF OF EFFING LEGENDS! You poor poor man, having to go through reality and **** that is quite common. How DARE Bioware actually make character interactions realistic. All the women in the game should be snogging you to glory by now, you GLORIOUS man.






Does anyone else think we have a guy so far into the closet that he found narnia?

most definitely.

[Melca36]

Porphyria wrote...

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Anyway, it is not my hope to convert a morally depraved generation into rational thinking, and if you like being swept up into homosexual love affairs, and that's what makes a medieval role playing game for you, then enjoy. To say that you can avoid these situations when one of the elf's in the brothel, who appears female is actually male, is somewhat disingenuous. What I see is a lack of choice - as I think I've outlined fairly well.

You do realise that there was what we would today consider to be homosexual behaviour in the middle ages right? I get the impression that you are living in a world where the middle ages was all knights, castles, fair maidens and swooning virgins.

He probably doesn't even realize that Popes used to be married and have children.

[Jaulen]

UltiPup wrote...
Does anyone else think we have a guy so far into the closet that he found narnia?

[The Lesser Evil]

DA2 is too GAY! 

[Devildealer]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

"Oh no, it's not LACK of choice you're upset with, you only want people to have the choices you THINK they should have."

That's a load of bull and you know it. Here are two choices I would rather have made for myself: 1. NOT taking Isabella back after having a fling with Zeveren.

2. NOT having sex with the transvestite elf.

3. NOT hitting up Anders for gay action when I simply wanted to express sympathy as a fellow mage.

I'm not trying to rob anyone of choices. I'm illustrating how my choices were robbed in broad day light.

1 & 2. "save" your game before you choose
3. choose the "blue" option

also start reading your instruction manual before you play the game

[Torax]

Here is my stance. I've never had a guy on guy relationship in a game. It's not my thing. The one time a guy sleeps with my characters in any way if my character is female. In regards the Dwarf in drag, well that was in the pearl and it's just amusing to see what pops in those rooms. Easter Egg worthy. It's not crammed down your throat. I just avoid said conflicts. In my first play though it was my mistake to hit the heart on Anders so I simply cut him off later when flirted with me. Just like Zevran in Origins.

I've had to cut off Leliana on both male and female origins. Some characters get attached to you. There is always this conversation with Anders where the conversation sort offers you a chance to flirt with the guy. The only slightly different case is with Fenris and Merrill where it's more initiated by the player. That is because Anders makes a conversation go from you reminding him about someone to your looks. You could argue that if you want, Fenris just calls the player someone so capable so would you call that a flirt to? It's on you if you clicked the heart after.

[TheSharpenedPen]

Is that the message from EA and Bioware? To hell with the heterosexual male gamers - go back to Duke Nukem? Okay, shall I take my revenue generating game play elsewhere then? I'd rather play games in a more remotely believable universe. Duke Nukem certainly comes to mind, right after pacman and Tetris.

I think Bioware is heterophobic.

[Jaulen]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

DA2 is too GAY! 

OMG!!!!!
 
I am now laughing so hard I am crying.

[Gamer Ftw]

ROTFL!

[ipgd]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

"Oh no, it's not LACK of choice you're upset with, you only want people to have the choices you THINK they should have."

That's a load of bull and you know it. Here are two choices I would rather have made for myself: 1. NOT taking Isabella back after having a fling with Zeveren.

2. NOT having sex with the transvestite elf.

3. NOT hitting up Anders for gay action when I simply wanted to express sympathy as a fellow mage.

I'm not trying to rob anyone of choices. I'm illustrating how my choices were robbed in broad day light.

1. You can tell her not to go off with Zevran and she won't. Though I'm not sure how you could get to Act III in a romance with Isabela somehow expecting a 100% monogamous commitment.

2. Don't have sex with the transvestite elf? It was a joke. If you are so sensitive you can't handle a harmless trap joke, barricade yourself into your room and never have any contact with the outside world.

3. Don't flirt with Anders? Turn him down when he has the audacity to get the wrong idea from your compulsive homosexual flirting? Try not being hypersensitive and insecure in your delicate masculinity?

[TheSharpenedPen]

Jaulen - go fly your rainbow kite somewhere else. Someone expresses serious and legitimate concerns about the game and you go off on a smear campaign.

[Tealsie]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

I think Bioware is heterophobic.

Bioware is all Equal-Opportunities Romantics(in writing and planning, at least. Not necessarily in personal practice). And wonderful open-minded folks.

Nothing is forced on you except what you force on yourself.

...this thread is reminding me a bit of the woman who sued some fast food restaurant because her coffee was "too hot".  really, what did you expect?

[Melca36]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Is that the message from EA and Bioware? To hell with the heterosexual male gamers - go back to Duke Nukem? Okay, shall I take my revenue generating game play elsewhere then? I'd rather play games in a more remotely believable universe. Duke Nukem certainly comes to mind, right after pacman and Tetris.

I think Bioware is heterophobic.

Goodbye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


And try to get some...tolerance. Your insecurity is truly disturbing.

Its funny how my husband played and did NOT end up in a romance with any of the male character.
And thats because HE KNEW HOW TO PLAY and he is SECURE IN HIS MANHOOD  that things like that don't affect him.

If you think Duke Nukem is a more believable universe. I truly feel sorry for you.

[TheSharpenedPen]

You know what? The quality of the people on this board, is akin to the quality of the game itself. Set yourself down for a campy homosexual romp through the medieval ages of sexual depravity and in your face (whether you like it or not) twisted love affairs. Or better yet, play something else. At least then you won't dance the mandango with a homosexual elf, and be left for dead in a dozen warehouses that all look exactly the same.

[UltiPup]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Is that the message from EA and Bioware? To hell with the heterosexual male gamers - go back to Duke Nukem? Okay, shall I take my revenue generating game play elsewhere then? I'd rather play games in a more remotely believable universe. Duke Nukem certainly comes to mind, right after pacman and Tetris.

I think Bioware is heterophobic.

You just mentioned Tetris, which is fitting blocks into holes. Are you SURE you aren't a little bit gay?

[Jaulen]

Melca36 wrote...

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

Is that the message from EA and Bioware? To hell with the heterosexual male gamers - go back to Duke Nukem? Okay, shall I take my revenue generating game play elsewhere then? I'd rather play games in a more remotely believable universe. Duke Nukem certainly comes to mind, right after pacman and Tetris.

I think Bioware is heterophobic.

Goodbye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


And try to get some...tolerance. Your insecurity is truly disturbing.

Its funny how my husband played and did NOT end up in a romance with any of the male character.
And thats because HE KNEW HOW TO PLAY and he is SECURE IN HIS MANHOOD  that things like that don't affect him.

If you think Duke Nukem is a more believable universe. I truly feel sorry for you.

Yeah, funny how my husband and all his friends never ended up in a romance with any of the male characters playing as a male.

[jmbrosendo]

I am homophobic. I can't stand to be around homosexuals, male or female.

I was naturally irked when they first flirted, both Fenris and Anders, with my character, as I have been in the past with Zevran. But that was it, I wasn't forced into seeing or do anything.

Bluntly telling them not interested solved everything, and nothing of the sort ever happened or was seen again. If you can't read or interpret two choices, a golden heart coupled with a broken heart, I don't know what to say, except perhaps advise you not to drive anywhere, if you're so bad at interpreting signs.

With Isabela, you can say flatly for her not go with Zevran. Problem solved, if She went anyway, whilst in a romance with you, and could not say it was over, I may agree with you, however. As it is, it's your choice. Romancing Isabela, presumably supposes a predisposition for accepting who She is and her lifestyle.

Overall, I don't really see an issue here. Unless they somehow they added a flashing read sign saying "WARNING!!!! This option will initiate a gay romance with this character", I can't see how they could have made it any more obvious, and presented with atleast three options, to my knowledge, a blunt "no", a polite refusal, and "hell, yeah", covering most if not all bases.

[TheSharpenedPen]

It's funny - the people that talk the most about 'tolerance' are almost always the people with the least amount. Thankfully, not everyone in the homosexual community is so quick to shut down and censor differing opinions. I really don't think it is unfair, or unjustified to simply ask that players not be whisked away into gay sex and three-somes in the course of their adventures.

[Torax]

Actually this game is just more open than their past ones. For example in Mass Effect 2 there was only kind of a Lesbian option Kelly Chambers who is a equal opportunity flirt/lap dancer. If you consider the Asari race is only females so they don't quite have a male gender option for Liara in Mass Effect 1 and then Mass Effect 2 had the option to continue a lesbian relationship with her. Samara or her daughter doesn't even truly translate to a relationship.

Origins did have Zevran who enjoyed the company of males but that wasn't even available for mass effect series. They actually took out the same sex options Mass Effect 1 that they had in development. Only the same sex Asari break the rule in that universe. Maybe you should stick there.

[UltiPup]

TheSharpenedPen wrote...

It's funny - the people that talk the most about 'tolerance' are almost always the people with the least amount. Thankfully, not everyone in the homosexual community is so quick to shut down and censor differing opinions. I really don't think it is unfair, or unjustified to simply ask that players not be whisked away into gay sex and three-somes in the course of their adventures.

Your thread, your problem. You came here complaining that homosexuals were flirting with you. You have the option to NOT flirt and NOT **** everything that moves. Obviously, you made those choices and yet still complain you did. You, really are something else.

[TheSharpenedPen]

Sure, you can say you're not interested in Anders, but not before your character says some suspiciously gay things first. The elf bit - again, appears to be a woman and no option not to sleep with. And Isabella and Zevren - no option not to break the romance after she sleeps with him after offering a threesome? Really people, you'd have to be willfully blind to believe as you do that there is some choice here. The only choice is to shelve the lackluster title which focuses on indoctrination in place of gameplay and an rpg experience.

Modifié par TheSharpenedPen, 30 mars 2011 - 08:54 .

[UltiPup]

HEY DUDE

The heart option means FLIRT

You know what flirting is?

...obviously you never had the chance BAM

srsly you're acting like a hick stop that :<

[Jman5]

TheSharpenedPen's posts are priceless.