I had a question regarding the two...how is someone being infected by the taint and someone going through the joining different?
What I mean is, in regards to carver...how is he able to succumb to the darkspawn taint ( through blood-blood transfusion, i assume is the way of infection ) but able to survive the drinking of darkspawn blood ( the joining )
Shouldnt someone who is capable of surviving the joining - be immune to the darkspawn taint?
Another question that has been bugging me...I remember through dialogue in DA:O that blood from an Arch-Demon is necessary to complete the joining...if that is so, then how did the original grey-wardens become to be?
The Taint and The Joining
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Hubrah
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:12
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The joining needs a sufficient amount of corruption as to overload it. This is best taken from archdemons, but a mage can make grunt blood good enough.
They killed the body of the archdemon, there were some blood. The archdemon respawned. That is how they got the blood.
They killed the body of the archdemon, there were some blood. The archdemon respawned. That is how they got the blood.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:15
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I am not sure if you need archdemon blood. I think DG once mentioned it is not neccessary. Anyway it is a secret ritual that bloodmages cooked up. So you can assume it is not 'just drinking darksspawn blood'. There is more to it but I never found a recipe flying around.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:18
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AlexXIV wrote...
I am not sure if you need archdemon blood. I think DG once mentioned it is not neccessary. Anyway it is a secret ritual that bloodmages cooked up. So you can assume it is not 'just drinking darksspawn blood'. There is more to it but I never found a recipe flying around.
If the darkspawn blood comes from an archdemon it is enough.
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No. We're talking about the concentration of the taint, and in a short span of time, and not just the quantity of blood. The reason Archdemon blood is used is because it's the easiest way to get the concentration required, but it's not the *only* way. Regardless, just drinking the blood of a normal, run-of-the-mill darkspawn isn't usually going to cut it -- that's why magical means are usually required.Baher of Glory wrote...
An entire canteen or - perhaps more medieval - an entire pumpkin calabash is certainly A LOT, right?
Note that simply recovering from the taint (which is possible -- Dog did it, after all -- though it's rare) is not enough. You must have both the quick concentration of the taint AND the recovery. I use the word "recovery" loosely, however. As the poster above me mentions, even Grey Wardens don't become immune to the taint. They still suffer from it in the long run.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:20
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Hubrah wrote...
I remember through dialogue in DA:O that blood from an Arch-Demon is necessary to complete the joining...if that is so, then how did the original grey-wardens become to be?
It could be blood the archdemon spilled on a battlefield was collected. The first blight went on for a while so there's no reason to assume that the archdemon never bled. but that situation does ring a little far-fetched, especially from a "lets come up with this joining thing so we can fight the spawn" planning perspective.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:25
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The first blight went on for over 80 years if I remember right. That's plenty of time to do research and figure out the plan. The archdemon was likely 'killed' many times over those years, which is how the original wardens learned exactly how the transfer of essence works. Combine that with having seen the effects of corruption (ghouls) and it seems reasonable that eventually someone would theorize that this could be used against them and put it to the test.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 11:25
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[quote]David Gaider wrote...
Note that simply recovering from the taint (which is possible -- Dog did it, after all -- though it's rare) is not enough. You must have both the quick concentration of the taint AND the recovery. I use the word "recovery" loosely, however. As the poster above me mentions, even Grey Wardens don't become immune to the taint. They still suffer from it in the long run.[/quote]
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So ... recovering is possible? I don't think I ever thought that through. Doesn't that also imply it can be cured? Or that there is at least a chance for a cure?
Note that simply recovering from the taint (which is possible -- Dog did it, after all -- though it's rare) is not enough. You must have both the quick concentration of the taint AND the recovery. I use the word "recovery" loosely, however. As the poster above me mentions, even Grey Wardens don't become immune to the taint. They still suffer from it in the long run.[/quote]
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So ... recovering is possible? I don't think I ever thought that through. Doesn't that also imply it can be cured? Or that there is at least a chance for a cure?
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 01:38
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I always thought it was the blood of darkspawn not touched by the archdemon. Also, I recall mention of some magic ritual involving mages and lyrium, but it is never made more specific than that.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 02:16
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Doesn't Riordan say that you need a drop of archdemon blood for the joining? I can't remember...
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 04:57
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Darkspawn Taint happens to anyone (like Weasly, like the Dalish Elf Origin) who comes into enough contact with Darkspawn blood.
The Joining involves a drop of Archdemon blood mingled in some magical way with regular Darkspawn blood.
Other than that, we don't know a lot, but if someone survives the Joining they are immune from the usual effects of the Taint, for a time, until it eventually takes them - and before that happens most Wardens do into the Deep Roads to go down in a battle rather than succumb.
The Joining involves a drop of Archdemon blood mingled in some magical way with regular Darkspawn blood.
Other than that, we don't know a lot, but if someone survives the Joining they are immune from the usual effects of the Taint, for a time, until it eventually takes them - and before that happens most Wardens do into the Deep Roads to go down in a battle rather than succumb.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 05:11
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Blacklash93 wrote...
Doesn't Riordan say that you need a drop of archdemon blood for the joining? I can't remember...
Yeah. If you ask Riordan about making more Wardens, he tells you he can't because the archdemon blood is missing. He thinks Loghain stole it.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 06:33
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You need one drop of Archdemon blood per person doing the Joining, in addition to that, even that will kill you, it requires Mages to alter the blood in some undefined way. All we really know is that Mages are needed or the right is impossible.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 06:48
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Lyrium is suppose to be sort of a body-rub for energy, right? Gives mages their magic, gives Templars their powers. Lyrium is mentioned, so it may be that the mages need to fold the lyrium into the taint so it hits your whole body like a lead brick at the same time.
Also there is sufficient evidence from The Calling novel that the taint may be offset with certain magics. Perhaps permanently.
Also there is sufficient evidence from The Calling novel that the taint may be offset with certain magics. Perhaps permanently.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 08:00
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Avernis is a good example of this. After all, he lived, what, 150 years after being tainted whe nthe average is 30?ExiledMimic wrote...
Lyrium is suppose to be sort of a body-rub for energy, right? Gives mages their magic, gives Templars their powers. Lyrium is mentioned, so it may be that the mages need to fold the lyrium into the taint so it hits your whole body like a lead brick at the same time.
Also there is sufficient evidence from The Calling novel that the taint may be offset with certain magics. Perhaps permanently.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 08:34
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To become a Grey Warden, you are tainted, but in a particularly powerful way.
Becoming 'tainted' to the point where you turn into a ghoul requires just a little bit of it. Being around blighted lands or ingested a bit of darkspawn blood will do it.
The Joining is meanted to overwhelm a person with the taint. Those who survive it become Grey Wardens, but it has an extremely high death rate, obviously. Apparently, the easiest way to do it is by Archdemon blood, but it's not necessary, per se. Only a source of massive taint is needed.
Becoming 'tainted' to the point where you turn into a ghoul requires just a little bit of it. Being around blighted lands or ingested a bit of darkspawn blood will do it.
The Joining is meanted to overwhelm a person with the taint. Those who survive it become Grey Wardens, but it has an extremely high death rate, obviously. Apparently, the easiest way to do it is by Archdemon blood, but it's not necessary, per se. Only a source of massive taint is needed.
