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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I still think the Protheans were awesome and self sacrificing.

The last twelve protheans to ever live were, yeah.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

...who decided that the project came before the race's survival.

You are missing the point I'm afraid. If Vigil released the Protheans early then the species wouldn't survive and neither would the project. At no point was there ever any hope for the Protheans. In the end, with all hope for the species lost, they decided to continue their project since it was all that was left. The project needn't have ever been a priority.

I probably just have to agree to disagree with you on this one.

We have no evidence that the reapers would have found them if they had released themselves from hibernation any earlier, just that they were worried that would be the case. Having everyone wake up and start farming when there's a 4% chance your race will survive on this single world is still a better chance, selfishly, than waiting in hibernation until you have 0 chance of survival.

Ilos was covered in structures visible from space, I don't know how a number of awake, low-tech farmers or foragers would be more subject to detection than thousands of people in a giant structure in cryosleep. But there's no way to tell either way. Maybe the protheans knew for sure that being asleep would work, or maybe they were afraid that being awake would even slightly increase the chance of discovery and thus risk the project. Sadly there's no way of knowing, for now... unless we learn more about how the reapers find colonies, other than the obvious tactics of following the relays and sending out indoctrinated people.

[GuardianAngel470]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I still think the Protheans were awesome and self sacrificing. Sure they told their VI to shut them down... and he did. He was a VI, not an AI - I didn't get the impression he was making decisions himself, he had been given a list of priorities and was devising the best course of action to fulfil those priorities, but it was the VI's creators, those Prothean scientists, who decided that the project came before the race's survival.

You don't have to believe that if you don't want to... but if the Protheans didn't make that decision consciously, then they were unrealistically dumb.

As an organic, if I could get people to FREAKING BELIEVE ME about the reapers, one of the things I'd do is build and send out some Ark ships to find planets that are a few years away from Mass Relays, and build sleeper colonies there. Wipe all ship vectors from my database as soon as they're off, send 'em in different directions, have them not communicate in case of indoctrination. Hell, maybe even build a generation ship or two. That's what we used to think we'd have to do if we wanted to colonize stars, before we discovered FTL travel - Ark up some ark ships.

The Reapers can't (and obviously, based in Ilos, don't) check every single system. They check ones that have Mass Relays, and all the ones that are a reasonable distance away from Mass Relays. So get some volunteers, Make some Ark ships, and tell them not to come back for a few thousand years. It's do-able. And if we could technically do it, why couldn't the Protheans? They seem to have been significantly more technologically advanced than we were.

Now, we can't be sure the Protheans didn't attempt this, and fail. But the resources used to found Ilos could have been used for another colony attempt, or an arc ship, or something that would have given them a chance at survival. They decided to spend those resources on the conduit project instead, and that says something... to me anyway.

Ilos existed before the Reaper invasion; They were doing what Aethyta suggested and building their own Mass Relays. They just happened to be outside of the Reaper's influence where they were because their base was secret.

It wasn't established for the sole purpose of stopping the Reapers. It got adapted for that purpose and, by a strange coincidence, it actually succeeded in its new purpose.

[GuardianAngel470]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I still think the Protheans were awesome and self sacrificing.

The last twelve protheans to ever live were, yeah.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

...who decided that the project came before the race's survival.

You are missing the point I'm afraid. If Vigil released the Protheans early then the species wouldn't survive and neither would the project. At no point was there ever any hope for the Protheans. In the end, with all hope for the species lost, they decided to continue their project since it was all that was left. The project needn't have ever been a priority.

I probably just have to agree to disagree with you on this one.

We have no evidence that the reapers would have found them if they had released themselves from hibernation any earlier, just that they were worried that would be the case. Having everyone wake up and start farming when there's a 4% chance your race will survive on this single world is still a better chance, selfishly, than waiting in hibernation until you have 0 chance of survival.

Ilos was covered in structures visible from space, I don't know how a number of awake, low-tech farmers or foragers would be more subject to detection than thousands of people in a giant structure in cryosleep. But there's no way to tell either way. Maybe the protheans knew for sure that being asleep would work, or maybe they were afraid that being awake would even slightly increase the chance of discovery and thus risk the project. Sadly there's no way of knowing, for now... unless we learn more about how the reapers find colonies, other than the obvious tactics of following the relays and sending out indoctrinated people.

They weren't worried about being found by the Reapers. Ilos knew what was going on the goal of staying in stasis was to survive the extinction. To wait it out.

They weren't worried about being found they were worried about living to do something about it. Protheans, aparantly not like asari, had a relatively short lifecycle. Thus if they had come out of stasis any sooner there would be no guarantee that the protheans would live to see the end of the invasion.

Would it have been better to simply let the non-essential crew out? Yeah, probably. But they didn't.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Right right, that make sense.

Now the question is: what was Ilos before they decided to use it for the project (as in, current status of infrastructure)? How many people were there? How did they know it was outside of the reach of the Reapers? Do we know any of that stuff?

It's past 1am here so my brain is a little... off. I feel like I should know more of this stuff.

Basically, if they had a world capable of supporting a population, and enough people to make a viable genetic sample, then why didn't they just live on it? 

My theory is that, over a few generations, the knowledge of how to build the conduit would be lost. It was more neccesary to preseve the originalscientific minds than anything else. It's possible that there were never enough people on Ilos, or that there's a reaosn it couldn't have supported a population. I don't know.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 31 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[JustHonest]

Because he's the hero that the universe deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight..."
That if for whoever made the batman comparison for the paragon shep

[James2912]

JustHonest wrote...

Because he's the hero that the universe deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight..."
That if for whoever made the batman comparison for the paragon shep

lol that he is!