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[XX55XX]

triviumisgodly wrote...

Is voting still going on? If not then here's my 3 cents.
1. Merrill
2. Varric
3.Fenris
4.Avelne
5.Carver
6.Bethany
7.Sebastian
8.Anders
9.Isabela

No... Voting ended today.

[Lithuasil]

Rifnero wrote...
I imagine this has a lot to do with what difficulty the person is using. At casual, you can survive just fine with the worst combatants and have lots of leeway to use the characters you like. On nightmare, you need to min/max and can't afford having a party that pops like a water balloon when the first demon gives them a stern look.

As long as you happen to play a mage, and Anders happens to be among your favorite characters, it works just as well on nightmare

[Hrodric]

XX55XX wrote...

Okay guys, I just re-installed SPSS on my computer and have some preliminary figures from the survey:

As we can note from the numbers, Varric is the most popular, and given his low standard deviation, everyone is in agreement that he is a great character. In comparison, characters with high standard deviations tend to indicate large differences in opinion between various members of the community.

I'll try to come up with some z-scores as well, to see how these characters fall along the “overall” average.

Hey, matey. Great job.

See your message inbox.

@Lithuasil
If I had to bet, I bet a major reason for the low scores for Sebastian had to do more with the fact he is a DLC than the fact he's unlikable (which, he is) .

[reservedegotist]

So when people say they hated the character, is it a "love to hate", or is it a hate due to bad writing? I'm guessing it's the character's POV that would be disagreeable with the player's hence the hate (thinking of Anders and his hypocritical statements in Act III)

[Maria Caliban]

XX55XX wrote...


Out of curiosity, I also had SPSS give me the correlation coefficients between Merrill and Isabela, and it appears that there is very little correlation between the way people voted for Merrill and Isabela.

Which means?

[Arppis]

Surveys are great and all. But there was no option for "No romantic peference" or "None of the above" or something. Which is why I didn't complete the survey.

[Zubie]

1.Varric
2.Merill
3.Bethany
4.Isabela
5.Carver

[Hrodric]

Maria Caliban wrote...

XX55XX wrote...


Out of curiosity, I also had SPSS give me the correlation coefficients between Merrill and Isabela, and it appears that there is very little correlation between the way people voted for Merrill and Isabela.

Which means?

It implies that liking Isabela and Merrill are 'independent events.'... in other words, liking one does not affect or influence whether or not you like the other.

I find this rather strange; do you see this lack of correlation holding after separating males and females? 

[Zubie]

PurebredCorn wrote...

This game has some of the best female followers of all time for me.
My top three favorites of all the companions were Isabela, Merrill, and Aveline.

Agreed.

Other than Varric the male companions were pretty weak this time around. Not the writing, but their personalities. Carver was okay though.
Merrill and Bethany were definitely some of my favourite characters that I have seen in awhile.

Modifié par easygame88, 31 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[Knightly_BW]

First of all thanks for putting that much effort and time in that survey. It is better than who is your favorite/least favorite thread results, especially as Mr. Gaider said, for them to get relatively more accurate result over characters they written. Personally I don't think in game companion usage can reflect that very well as Aveline is only tank and Anders is only healer etc.

For results I can't say I am surprised. I knew Varric would be most popular one as most people can't rate him bellow 8 I suppose. My favorite character Aveline is where I think she should be.

Honestly I think all characters close to the Hawke deeply tought and good written characters. One of the reasons I enjoy playing DA 2.

[AndreaDraco]

reservedegotist wrote...

So when people say they hated the character, is it a "love to hate", or is it a hate due to bad writing? I'm guessing it's the character's POV that would be disagreeable with the player's hence the hate (thinking of Anders and his hypocritical statements in Act III)

To me, for Sebastian, is: "yes, dear Sebastian, Ms. Hepler did a very fine job in writing you. Too bad I can't stand a single thing that comes out of your mouth."

[wright1978]

Figures sort of match what i assumed they would. I figured varric would win as he was my second favourite being both dwarven and witty. My favourite was Isabela but i guessed her in your face sexuality would be a turn off to some. Still to get the DLC, so Sebastian may leap to the top of my hate list given the impression i have of him from these boards.

[Dark Specie]

Interesting to know, all in all. My favourite was Varric and it's great to know that he maanged to take his deserved place in the ranking!

[BubbleDncr]

I'm curious what percentage of survey takers were male and female - it kind of seems like that may be why Merrill and Isabella got so much more love than Fenris and Anders.

Personality wise, I love all four of them - but I found Fenris and Anders to be waaay for useful in combat. My first playthrough (mage), Isabella kept dying all the time, so I never used her, and I was romancing Anders so I always had him with me instead of Merrill.

Second playthrough now (rogue), and Isabella's still useless (cos my rogue is better), and I really, really put effort into using Merrill instead of Anders (wanted to see the different dialogs and such), but I just found she pales in comparison. Her individual tree is a watered down version of blood mage, and no access to creation spells really hurts (Anders' casting glyph of paralysis had made so many battles go soooo much better).

[highcastle]

Hrodric wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

XX55XX wrote...


Out of curiosity, I also had SPSS give me the correlation coefficients between Merrill and Isabela, and it appears that there is very little correlation between the way people voted for Merrill and Isabela.

Which means?

It implies that liking Isabela and Merrill are 'independent events.'... in other words, liking one does not affect or influence whether or not you like the other.

I find this rather strange; do you see this lack of correlation holding after separating males and females? 

I think this makes sense. While they're both LIs, they have very little else in common and their personalities are quite different. So if you like sass and dirty jokes, you may or may not like innocent naivety. For me, Merrill was my least favorite character,  while Isabela was one of my favorites (and I didn't romance either of them).

[Swordfishtrombone]

Varric, Bethany and Aveline are the only characters I don't find anything really disagreeable with.

Merrill is great, and she's incredibly cute and has the best dialogue in the game, but she's also aggravatingly naive and falsely confident of her own ability to control her dangerous experiments.

I also noticed a weird inconsistency with Merrills views - if you take her along when you go to save Feynriel in the Fade, if you say to the keeper that you will do what is necessary, should you fail to save him, you get +10 rivalry from Merrill, while if you say that you can't kill Feynriel, you get +5 friendship from Merrill.

But then IN the fade, if you DON'T agree to trade in Feynriel for some reward with the Sloth demon, you get +5 rivalry with Merrill.

So... let me get this straight - Merrill is angry if I even suggest that I might be forced to harm Feynriel, but in the fade, if I refuse to sell his soul to a demon, Merrill is angry again? A bit... inconsistent, don't you think?

Fenris is soooooooooooooo moody, and broody, and mopy, and emo, and looks like some japanese anime character. I've grown to dislike him slightly less than I disliked him in my first playthrough. But I still hate him.

Anders... In my first playthrough, I initially liked him (what's not to like - a healer devoting himself to working with the poor?), but gradually he began to rub me the wrong way, and after seeing the end, I can't bring myself to like him at all in any subsequent playthroughs. In my current playtrhough, I just kicked him to the curb, after helping him and saving the mage from the templars. After I had to talk justice out of killing the girl we were out to save, I just told Anders to leave and not show his face around there anymore. Though I expect that he'll be back by the end, of course - he's got some things to blow up, after all.

Isabella is a selfish ****, who's funny sometimes, but mostly not. I'm kind of... meh.... about her.

Carver is an annoying brat most of the time.

Sebastian is... ok, I guess, though a little too straight-laced.

[Maria Caliban]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

But then IN the fade, if you DON'T agree to trade in Feynriel for some reward with the Sloth demon, you get +5 rivalry with Merrill.

I never got these rivalry points. I think they happen because you don't listen to the demon, not because you reject its offer.

[Lithuasil]

^ This. Merill wants you to hear the demon out, *then* refuse his offer, Anders and Fenris want you to kill it outright.

[Finis Valorum]

Top five

1) Varric
2) Isabela
3) Carver
4) Aveline
5) Merrill

Only companion character I actually disliked was Sebastian (which really is too bad because he looks hot and has a sexy voice, but even that wasn't enough to offset the negatives for me in the end). Anders turned out better than I'd feared but worse than I had hoped.
Can't really comment on Bethany at the moment as i haven't gotten around to playing rogue or warrior yet.

[s-lad]

Carver was the only companion I really liked, my Hawke was a dick too so their rivalry felt natural. Most of the other companions I found to be really bland or sulky. Fenris was the worst, I thought he was suppossed to be a badass hand through the chest warrior until I saw his run animation where he prances around full to the brim with girlish glee. And Varric where the **** is that pint you promised me?

[Jester12]

Imma going to have to say
1. Varric of course. Just his humor, voice actor was great, He looks out for all of your companions.
2. Merril, she did what she thought was right. Even as others hated her. Thats respectable.
3. Isabela, dirty humor was nice even if she was at fault for the Arishok.
4. Fenris, he whined and was broody but for good reason. Being a slave might do that.
5. Anders, guy was a fanatic and a terrorist but he was for good cause (in his mind).
6. Aveline, she annoyed me most the time. She disagrees with most everything if your an Angry Hawke.
7. Bethany, being your sister was kind of interesting but you don't see her for long.
8. Sebastian, guy was overly religious. Might have preferred him before he hit the Chantry.
9.Bianca, she felt like a companion all her own. She was there for everything. Couldn't swap her out.
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12. Carver. My least favorite character, Whiny disagreeable. Didn't like him. But thats a good thing

[XX55XX]

Hrodric wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

XX55XX wrote...


Out of curiosity, I also had SPSS give me the correlation coefficients between Merrill and Isabela, and it appears that there is very little correlation between the way people voted for Merrill and Isabela.

Which means?

It implies that liking Isabela and Merrill are 'independent events.'... in other words, liking one does not affect or influence whether or not you like the other.

I find this rather strange; do you see this lack of correlation holding after separating males and females? 

I haven't done this with stratified data yet. Will do so when there is time - I have an accounting exam tomorrow.

[XX55XX]

BubbleDncr wrote...

I'm curious what percentage of survey takers were male and female - it kind of seems like that may be why Merrill and Isabella got so much more love than Fenris and Anders.

Personality wise, I love all four of them - but I found Fenris and Anders to be waaay for useful in combat. My first playthrough (mage), Isabella kept dying all the time, so I never used her, and I was romancing Anders so I always had him with me instead of Merrill.

Second playthrough now (rogue), and Isabella's still useless (cos my rogue is better), and I really, really put effort into using Merrill instead of Anders (wanted to see the different dialogs and such), but I just found she pales in comparison. Her individual tree is a watered down version of blood mage, and no access to creation spells really hurts (Anders' casting glyph of paralysis had made so many battles go soooo much better).

73% male, 27% female. I will try to stratifiy the data by both gender and sexual orientation to remove any inconsistencies later.

[Maria Caliban]

XX55XX wrote...

73% male, 27% female. I will try to stratifiy the data by both gender and sexual orientation to remove any inconsistencies later.

I look forward to that.