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[ISnowdropI]

More people thought Fenris was the worst character than Anders?! o.O

[Babi]

ISnowdropI wrote...

More people thought Fenris was the worst character than Anders?! o.O

Not the wimminz.
Men seem like female characters more, and women seem to like male characters more. No surprises there.

[TobiTobsen]

Rifneno wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

I think it has more to do with what happens in the end with the Chantry.

From what I've read, most people didn't like him before that.  They took two good characters and mashed them into one character that just ****es constantly.  They ruined two characters to make one that you don't even want to hear talk.  Personally I don't mind his attitude, but by and large the gaming public cannot stand characters who complain regardless of if they have good reason to complain.  While he wouldn't be as unpopular as he is now, I think he'd have been recieved better if they used a totally new character for his part in DA2 rather than merge two pretty likeable pre-existing characters.

It wasn't just the chantry that made me dislike Anders. It was his constant nagging an whining. He has nothing to say besides his constant complaining about the situation of mages.

Even if I dislike Carver. He got one thing right:

Anders: You don't like me, Carver?
Carver: I don't like you.
Anders: That's unfortunate. Hating someone just because they're a mage is a shameful thing.
Carver: I don't hate you because you're a mage. I hate you because you won't shut up about it.

[Jarcander]

94% of female players find Varric's chesthair irresistible.

[Magicman10893]

Foolsfolly wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I merely fear his baffling popularity is just going to encourage BioWare to have another story framed by him.
At which point I will scream.

That's not his fault!

How can you dislike our hirsute diminuative storyteller?

And it's not that baffling of popularity really. He doesn't blow up anything, he's funny, not a blood mage, and will side with you regardless of your choices (except for in the Fade where hilariously Anders is the only truly loyal one).

Technically in the Fade Justice takes over, and if you side with that sloth demon (the first one you run into in the middle room, not the ones in the side rooms) he'll turn on you for accepting a demon's offer.

[Magicman10893]

ISnowdropI wrote...

More people thought Fenris was the worst character than Anders?! o.O

Those would players that played as a Mage. I hated Fenris because of his opinion about the Mages and I like Anders because of support for them.... but then he blew up the Chantry and abolished any peaceful resolution and I was forced to kill him. So to me it's really the choice of the lesser of two evils... a choice that I am still trying to make.

[Akileija]

To be honest, I liked all of them... even more so on a second playthrough.
Varric the most, naturally.

[Jannamarie]

Danjaru wrote...

Carver as worst character?

People really do hate characters that don't like them... Carver was one of the most awesome characters, seeing him with Stroud as a Grey Warden in Act 2 and then later in Nathaniels quest as the lone surviving Warden was awesome. Honestly I'd rate him at top 3 characters in the game, nice to have that brother rivalry and not the whole "Command me beloved brother" thing Bethany goes about.

Sebastian and Cloud Strife, I mean Fenris were worse.

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I really liked Carver too.  I would have liked to been able to have him in the party the whole game.  I have always made him a warden.

I am definitely an outlier.  My favorite characters are
Seb
Carver
Fenris
Varric
Anders
 

I like people with convictions, even if I don't have the same opinion.  I didn't care so much for Anders, but that is because I absolutely loved him in Awakening.

[Jannamarie]

Akileija wrote...

To be honest, I liked all of them... even more so on a second playthrough.
Varric the most, naturally.

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BTW @Akileija  I  like your taste in robes

[Jannamarie]

Double post sorry

Modifié par Jannamarie, 03 avril 2011 - 07:46 .

[The Angry One]

Again, the universal like for Varric makes me weep for humanity. WEEP.

[stobie]

I liked them all, except Sebastian, who I wanted to slap. I liked the Fenris romance best, and I liked all the female characters.

[Cavalier753]

Bethany, Varric, and Isabella were my faves, because Bethany was so sweet and utterly awesome, and Varric was just the perfect side-kick. As for Isabella? She makes funny jokes.

Anders, Fenris, and Carver were hated. Anders because he was a whiny ****** who blew up the chantry cause he thought it was "the only way". ******. Fenris, because he was a jerk to mages and reminded me too much of Edward. Carver was an ass. Nuff' said.

[Babi]

The Angry One wrote...

Again, the universal like for Varric makes me weep for humanity. WEEP.

Your pseudonym is finally making sense... 

No, really, why so dramatic? :innocent:

[Foryou]

Sebastian was fine till the end of Act 2 and 3. I was like hey you should return to your kingdom then he bites off my head and says he would if the maker gives him a side. I wanted the option to say don't you think the maker has bigger things going on you egotistical freak. Then when Anders blows up the chantary and i thought of allowing him to live Sebastian threatens to get his army and destroy Kirkwall. Sorry dude but Anders can redeem himself and the Grand Cleric wouldn't want you to do that.

[Foryou]

Carver was meh don't love him but see where he is coming from but still. Anders after a point I wanted to just grab him and yell to get over the mage issue we get it it sucks don't blow up a goddamn chantery over it. Fenris and I never clicked try to be nice he hates me.

[stobie]

I'm still resenting Sebastian, for having this amazing voice & dramatic scene, and then turning out to be the choir boy from hell in party banter. First of all, his grand heroic entrance is just him putting a slip of paper to get someone to kill the minions who killed his family. When you confront the perpetrator, he brings you along as a shield lest his bloodline be lost - the very bloodline he refuses to keep up, because suddenly he's chaste again. (unless I bother to make him my power mad rival - and noooo thank you) Then he threatens you when you stick by your friend (and if you don't, I guess he still does something likewise twitish.) And when he threatens you, he'll do what? Get more people to attack you *for him.* UGH!


eta:  AND...  after you kill the minions, & discover it was some wacko rich nemesis, does he want vengeance still? Nope! He will go pray for her.  Oh, don't pray for the minions who were hired into this! Just the batty old lady who was of your class!  And when he says he'll pray for the soul of his various victims, I so long to point out he's praying for a spider!

Oh, & when you suggest his people might need him, he says he's forgotten them, so leave them to my lazy cousin or whatever... So - never mind THEM - he's selfish and he's got this smirky way of saying things that makes me just vicious. And I don't get the option to say so!

A great voice can get you far, but not *that* far.

Modifié par stobie, 04 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Magicman10893]

The Angry One wrote...

Again, the universal like for Varric makes me weep for humanity. WEEP.

I think I missed something, what is so bad about Varric? He keeps criminals away from Anders's clinic (and even if you don't agree with Anders at the end of the game you can at least praise him for his free clinic) and delivers food to Merrill when she won't leave her house. He is fun to be around and offers you and your brother/sister the chance to become business partners so you can leave Lowtown and buy back your family's estate for your mom. The only thing he did wrong was get slightly messed up buy the Idol, but then again he wasn't the only one and it is really out of his control. 

Oh wait, I get it, you're just jealous of his amazing chest hair and jealous of his over the top crossbow.

[InfinitePaths]

Isabela is the best

[Rivie]

AndreaDraco wrote...

My top five would have been something like:

1. Anders
2. Varric
3. Aveline
4. Carver
5. Merrill

Ha, that's really close to mine except for Carver. Smug ******. Understood where he came from, but his reaction to not going to the deep roads, to my mage Hawke, just put him in the "please go die" category for me. 

1. Anders (still my blondie-bear)
2. Varric (bromance!~)
3. Merrill (cutie patootie)
4. Aveline (best girl bud ever)
5. Fenris (he grew on me, despite my magey ways)

Modifié par Rivie, 05 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[Parrk]

It is unfair to others to treat Varric as a "companion". He is your co-star. Not only is the entire game a story that he is telling, he can never turn on you.

You ever notice that when you take him into the fade, the demons never even address him? That has been my experience at least. Last run I took he and Merrill in, first demon chose Merrill, second demon began fight without an offer.

He literally cannot turn on you, or betray you, or decide that he doesn't like you and leave.

It may be programmatic, but that is absolute loyalty. how can you compare that to the fickle nature of other companions?


I move that Varric be henceforth no longer considered a "companion" but rather your co-star.

[Teramore]

stobie wrote...

I'm still resenting Sebastian, for having this amazing voice & dramatic scene, and then turning out to be the choir boy from hell in party banter. First of all, his grand heroic entrance is just him putting a slip of paper to get someone to kill the minions who killed his family. When you confront the perpetrator, he brings you along as a shield lest his bloodline be lost - the very bloodline he refuses to keep up, because suddenly he's chaste again. (unless I bother to make him my power mad rival - and noooo thank you) Then he threatens you when you stick by your friend (and if you don't, I guess he still does something likewise twitish.) And when he threatens you, he'll do what? Get more people to attack you *for him.* UGH!


eta:  AND...  after you kill the minions, & discover it was some wacko rich nemesis, does he want vengeance still? Nope! He will go pray for her.  Oh, don't pray for the minions who were hired into this! Just the batty old lady who was of your class!  And when he says he'll pray for the soul of his various victims, I so long to point out he's praying for a spider!

Oh, & when you suggest his people might need him, he says he's forgotten them, so leave them to my lazy cousin or whatever... So - never mind THEM - he's selfish and he's got this smirky way of saying things that makes me just vicious. And I don't get the option to say so!

A great voice can get you far, but not *that* far.

I agree. Sebastian is a rash, foolish hypocrite just like the other companions. Do you remember how he tried to persuade Varric to forgive Bartrand while he himself never bothered to forgive the mercenaries who slaughtered his family? And if you defend Anders after the Chantry incident, Sebastian will threaten Hawke that he will raise up a large army to march against Kirkwall.What have Kirkwall citizens done to him? Nothing.
Just ignore him. He's beyond redemption. So far the only companion that I truly liked was Varric. Every companion is either stupid or stubborn in his/her own way.

Modifié par Teramore, 05 avril 2011 - 09:25 .

[Jannamarie]

Parrk wrote...

It is unfair to others to treat Varric as a "companion". He is your co-star. Not only is the entire game a story that he is telling, he can never turn on you.

You ever notice that when you take him into the fade, the demons never even address him? That has been my experience at least. Last run I took he and Merrill in, first demon chose Merrill, second demon began fight without an offer.

He literally cannot turn on you, or betray you, or decide that he doesn't like you and leave.

It may be programmatic, but that is absolute loyalty. how can you compare that to the fickle nature of other companions?


I move that Varric be henceforth no longer considered a "companion" but rather your co-star.

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I had Varric, Isabella, and Anders with me in the Fade.  And Varric turned on me, as did Isabella.  Anders/Justice was the one who was loyal.

Modifié par Jannamarie, 06 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[Magicman10893]

Parrk wrote...

It is unfair to others to treat Varric as a "companion". He is your co-star. Not only is the entire game a story that he is telling, he can never turn on you.

You ever notice that when you take him into the fade, the demons never even address him? That has been my experience at least. Last run I took he and Merrill in, first demon chose Merrill, second demon began fight without an offer.

He literally cannot turn on you, or betray you, or decide that he doesn't like you and leave.

It may be programmatic, but that is absolute loyalty. how can you compare that to the fickle nature of other companions?


I move that Varric be henceforth no longer considered a "companion" but rather your co-star.

Each demon has a specific set of companions that they can corrupt. Varric and Merrill are turned by the same demon so only Merrill was turned against you. Anders doesn't get turned by any demon, but if you make the offer with that very first demon (the sloth demon that looks like a common shade) then he'll turn on you.

[The Angry One]

Varric is the wonderful amazing background guy who secretly and selflessly supports all the other characters in your party because he's just that great... in a story TOLD BY HIM.

And you wonder why I hate him.