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[Lukertin]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

Participating in a suicide mission when he could find a way to leave and report back to the...

It's just one, very replaceable, platform and set of geth algorithms.

Wrong.  It holds very unique, very irreplacable data.  Legion itself is replaceable, the things he knows are not replaceable (for the Geth).

[Kaiser Shepard]

It never ceases to amaze me how eager people are to brainwash the heretics, not only because of the ethical dilemma but also because of the risk reintegration forms. Especially Zulu and Shand, with whom I usually agree on everything but this subject and Cerberus.

[Golden Owl]

mr_luga wrote...

This really went in a diffrent direction then I thought O.o; I was just wondering what you went with and why, possibly what you were thinking about as you did it.

And it blew into this full blown discussion with a touch of hostility in it :-P

I went with re-write for now, purely becouse of bioware's annoying Paragon/Renegade system. Paragon just shows too much as a "THis is the good/right choice" to me to ignore. I wish they didnt tell you, it's basicly spoiling it -.-

@Mr Luga...I am starting to wonder if my posts are showing up, as I posted this earlier... 

"If your prepared to give the game another run through, why not try both and then activate all of Legion's follow up discussions through to the end, he has some interesting perspectives and gives you quite a bit more information about what the Geth want, then base your final ME3 decision on that."

I, myself went for rewrite because I play a paragon, though personally I consider both options much more renegade, but for benefits in game sake, rewrite it is.... The options are a very grey area, brainwash or kill, doesn't leave a lot of room to move, but its just a game, still brings up some very interesting and thought provoking issues, thus why my original post suggestion, for those of us who wish to consider the options with more thought...I'm just in it because I'm hoping for the possibility of fighting side by side with a Colossus in ME3 :-).

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Right, and your point is?

Clarity.  That is all.

Leaving aside what Bioware wants us to think, I don't see anything convincing about this. A geth could ask about a soul merely to clarify what the concept means. They were created, after all, to interact with quarians.

Picking up on what Bioware wants you to think means you can predict what they'll do with the story later.  Foreshadowing, ooooOOOoooOOoo... *spirit fingers*

[Golden Owl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Obviously, there's something more than just cold logic and self-preservation at play.  On this we can agree to disagree.

No, there isn't. You want to interpret it that way, bit it could be as simple as Legion not understanding Shepard's question or declining to answer. Miranda's interpretation, that it is a convenient field repair, is a sufficient explanation.

I've already considered the Miranda point and I think she's missing something - just like you are.

It sure took Legion a long time to bother about field repair, if it was a convienience only.

[Zulu_DFA]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

To me, it's obvious too, that BioWare is trying to sell us the idea that there is more than pure logic. All those quetions about having a soul, you know, are on the farthest end of thought from logic. And Miranda's guess is just her another erroneous guess.

Leaving aside what Bioware wants us to think, I don't see anything convincing about this. A geth could ask about a soul merely to clarify what the concept means. They were created, after all, to interact with quarians.

OK, even leaving aside what Bioware wants us to think, the mere fact of the Heretics' schism and discrepancy with the True Geth shows that their thinking isn't flawless and logical any more. Even if it was the result of the external influence (Sovereign using Saren as a prophet), that only shows that the Geth are susceptible to external influence, and therefore can experience failures in their logical thinking, just like Humans, for instance. Nothing says that Legion wasn't experiencing one of such failures as he decided to cover his previously neglected "wound" with a piece of Shepard's armor.

[Golden Owl]

mr_luga wrote...

Okay you guys, if you're going to discuss and toss subtle insults at eachother, could you take it out of my thread? ^^; I really value your input but it seems to have kind of.. Strayed away from that now

Sorry Mr Luga, my apologies.

[Zulu_DFA]

Oh, and BTW, @OP:

Same here, was the hardest choice in ME2. Initially I rewrote them, but then decided that it was metagaming on my part (I think rewriting will have a better result). So for my canon I destroyed them, as from the in-game PoV, there is indeed no telling that even the rewritten Heretics' "perspective" can't corrupt the true Geth.

[Zulu_DFA]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

OK, even leaving aside what Bioware wants us to think, the mere fact of the Heretics' schism and discrepancy with the True Geth shows that their thinking isn't flawless and logical any more.

How so? What the geth want and what the Heretics want are both equally valid positions to take.

Legion doesn't look like thinking that the Heretics' position is really valid. Sure, he thinks that the operations between the point of error and the final conclusion (kill all organics) are valid, and he is probably right. But since there is that point of error, the Heretics are generally illogical.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, but if I only thought what Bioware wanted me to think I'd think that the Collectors being Protheans was a shocking and dramatic revelation and that nationalism was bad.

The prothean reveal was handled poorly, I'll give you that.  Nationalism is only bad if you play paragon.  Play renegade, and it's a very, very good thing.