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#26
Mr. Gogeta34

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I don't think Harbinger felt like getting into a long-winded discussion at that time... He seemed kinda ticked at Shepard for continually ruining his plans.

But smile, you've reached "Annoyance" status :D

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all I am saying is you got to get some info out of sovereign in me1, show why not from harbinger,
in me2 or 3? I mean really I dont think everyone would be happy knowing the reapers get killed then that just be the end of it, no more games about reapers, no history or logic of reapers, would be a dead end. that is boring, no nothing. this would truly suck because since me1 everyone has wanted to know, what about the reapers? context is added to almost every post on this forum, I would like to know everything there is about the reapers just because without it, it would be just a dead end.

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I think all Harbinger wanted to say to Shepard is
"You annoying little ******! Now I have to fly the extra light years, I am so gonna kick your butt!"

And all Shepard is interested in saying is
"Oh yeah? See this baby (pet his gun) - take a good long look because the next time you see this, it will be up your arse"

Doubt those two have anything nice or constructive to say to each other :P

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There's and asteroid heading for the Mass Relay to cause supernova explosion in just few minutes and you wanted to talk with Harbinger?!

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I have not played the arrival, and certainly I am pondering to do at all. Maybe I will not even play ME3 at all, the more I read, the less I like to play.

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KingDan97 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 had a completion rate of about 50%

Holy ****, are you serious? That's insane. I had no clue it was that high.

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The Reapers will never be beyond our comprehension. ME1 and ME2 prove that. Unless by that comment they mean that they're incomprehensibly stupid.

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Imortalfalcon wrote...

I really just saw the conversation with Harbinger as a "Hey man, you destroyed my legos. I'm commin' to kick your ass."

A sort of 'sore loser' taunt, if you will.


This, lolololololololol!

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x-Legion-x wrote...

I was just wanting to know what everyone's opinion was on
the conversation with Harbinger, I kinda of think it should have
a very long coversation with them, to learn about them, understand them,
history of them whiping out civilizations before, more convo was needed,
this was the turning point for bioware to add that to the game right before
ME3 and ruined it.  

ME3 is being put to the test right now for all the fans, Me 1 And 2 where good
very good, but when it comes down to it Mass Effect's name is waging in the balance
because this is the final game for shepard, so all is being watched, meaning that
everyone is exspecting Bioware to go all out on this one, the hit of the century, 
the game that will always be remembered above all else. That is the ultimate game.

Im hoping that ME3 will be twice as long as 1 and 2 put together, all side missions and main game
combined, that would be the hit of ME3.

::Bioware::
If any of yall read this, as I stated above ^ about the all knowing reapers, when the ending
of me3 comes to pass please for the love of god and every mass effect worker and fan out there
to end it with harbinger dying and giving a 30 minute conversation about how the reapers started,
where they came from, what all they have done in the past, what there intensions of whiping everyone
out, give some ending plot to the destruction of the reapers.


To me these are very important conceptes over making me3 a game to remember.

Does anyone else agree?
Am I being optimistic?

What is yalls opinion on this matter?



The whole "I die so I tell you everything" approach to games is very cliche and childish... more questions unanswered leaves a better game story and future opportunities.

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I think we said enough to harby. I'v been dying to tell the Reapers/Harby for so long, that we aint going quietly and where he can shove it.

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Inutaisho7996 wrote...

You were on an asteroid heading towards a solar system destroying explosion, and all you wanted to do was talk?



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x-Legion-x wrote...

MarchWaltz wrote...

I want to know how they started, and the first reaper.


see now your seeing outside of the box, thats what im saying,
we have been fighting them through other species like the collecters,
finding a way to stop them, what is the point of fighting an enemy you
know nothing about.

That will be told to use in ME3. Not a prelude dlc. If bioware did that I would be pissed..... And again.......Asteroide, relay, supernova, death, no time left.

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After two games of "we are beyond your comprehension," I don't want everything about the Reapers' history and purpose explained in some long monologue with the main bad guy.  It would diminish them; the unknown is scarier.

And then, of course, if Harby for some reason decided to volunteer all the Reapers information, there would be some players who decide "by George, I empathize with their position and why can't I make Shepard stop fighting" - which wouldn't really work with the story and gameplay mechanic.

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It's okey the conversation were short in the Arrival DLC. Shepard was on a HUGE asteroid heading for that Alpha Relay! Cant just sit down and have a chat with Harbinger then.

But i am holding my thumbs really hard and hoping we will have a BADASS conversation with Harbinger in ME3. Either in the beginning of the game, the middle or in the end.

And not a short conversation either, at least the same amount of time Sovereign got in ME1.

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yes the reapers come to save us from something worse because there's something worse than a race of sentient machices that come to cull all sentient life in the galaxy.

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Look, all we should ask for is a scene where Shepard gets to falcon punch Harbinger.

Is that so much to ask?

Or perhaps headbutt it, thereby earning the loyalty of the entire Krogan race?

Itkovian

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Seriously, you think that the best possible time to reveal huge chunks of Reaper backstory is in an optional DLC that a good chunk of players will never actually play? Honestly?

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Arcian wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 had a completion rate of about 50%

Holy ****, are you serious? That's insane. I had no clue it was that high.


Well they count every playthrough and many fans did some playthrough that they either forget about it or delete it.

Also there are many who played ME2 offline.

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I understand why you would want to keep the mystery but damn, you guys have taken ideas from other good science fiction novels/movies and turned it into your own. And its awesome!

I dont think you should stop at Mass Effect 3, the ENTIRE Mass Effect universe has me captivated, and just wanting to know more and more. The biology of a Turian, The history of the Reapers, Even the Consorts client list, TELL ME EVERYTHING!

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meiwow2 wrote...

x-Legion-x wrote...

I was just wanting to know what everyone's opinion was on
the conversation with Harbinger, I kinda of think it should have
a very long coversation with them, to learn about them, understand them,
history of them whiping out civilizations before, more convo was needed,
this was the turning point for bioware to add that to the game right before
ME3 and ruined it.


Wow.. You do have strong feeling on this don't you, you are serious..
Ok, what makes you think that habinger is going to sit there and have a long nice conversation with shepard about his history and motives so you can understand them and... learn about them? What makes you think it would make sence for that to happen?
Why in the hell would harbinger give a damn about having a chat with shepard? what the hell!
Buddy! we are talking about the REAPERS, the same reapers that take the time to WIPE OUT all life in the galaxy so that....... wait for it.......... nobody can learn about them!
Why do you think we don't know much about the reapers? HUH and you STILL feel it would have made sence for harbinger to sit there have a nice chat with shepard? LOL


First, please spell it "sense" not "sence".  This is the definition of sence.

Second, I agree, Harbinger would not sit down for tea and cookies and go over the Reaper meaning of life with Shepard.

#46
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From that conversation we can see, that Harbinger wants Shephard dead, after he destroyed Alpha Relay and next Harbinger's plan failed. In ME2 it seemed, that Reapers are not fully aware of this threat. But in Arrival, Harby seemed to be more irked on Shep: "Shepard you have become an annoyance. You will die in vain." etc. Maybe Reapers are now fully aware of seriousness of this situation (Sovy dead, Collectors dead, Alpha relay destroyed...). Maybe they want only kill all life in Galaxy (no all, they need some minor species for preparing next cycle), without making human Reaper, or preserving Shepard's body. If they aren't so arrogant and silly, how they look.

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Wellll the asteroid was about to crash into the mass relay so I'm not sure they would have had time for tea and biscuits, chatting about the futility of our struggle

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I still think its was a important moment for this to be added to the game.

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eye basher wrote...

yes the reapers come to save us from something worse because there's something worse than a race of sentient machices that come to cull all sentient life in the galaxy.


The plot of Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagaan?
I would be interested to find out how many cycles the galaxy has been through. And what else happened to the Proteans. I mean Mass Effect 1, Protean ace in the hole to stop the relay. Mass Effect 2, O man, they were turned into mindless insect zombies. I'm sure they'll play some part again in ME3. Wonder if there were other races during the Protean Cycle

I was kinda disappointed by Arrival. It wasn't even as epic as Lair of the Shadow Broker, expected a boss fight, got another YMIR mech, yawnz.

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I wish a dev would comment on this post to let us know why this wasn't added to the game?