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[Tomomi]

Kyela684 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I've wanted to stab Wynne. I've never wanted to stab Merrill, or Morrigan (slap, yes... stab, no), or Irving, or Bethany.

I wanted to stab her when I realized that murdering the Warden's clan was the only way to gain approval at the end of that quest. Seriously?
It's just kind of... twisted, I guess. Why is every mage in Thedas either evil, irritating, or stuck-up? There's not one, normal, average person in all of mage-dom. Except for the one in Witch Hunt. He was okay, in small doses.

Stop stereotyping.  Maybe if you do live in Thedas, but from the first time playing DA:O until now, a mage to me is just another person.  Given their methods of fighting is different from warriors and rogues, but a mage is just another kind of fighter.  Outside of that, they are just another person, just like all other companions you have.


If you hate a mage, you just hate that person, not because he/she is a mage.  I don't like Morrigan in some cases, but I suspect she would turn out just about the same even if she is a rogue (and it is hard to see her as a warrior wearing heavy plate).  In fact, I do have a wee bit more stereotype against assassin type rogue (like Zevran) since their art is aimed at ending people's lives with any necessary mean.

But back to topic, I see my companions as Wynn, Morrigan, Lelianna, Zevran, Allistair, etc... I don't see them as this mage or that warrior when it comes to be interpersonal with them.

I do have reason to believe that, in contrary to what many people's complaint, Wynn would be one scary mage.  Through her dialogs, we can see she was a type of person who would never take "no" for answer, would be steadfast at her beliefs and get things done her way.  She would be way more assertive than any of your companion can possibly be.  So be glad that we met her in her older age and her life experiences taught her humility and calmed her down.  Now she is more open minded, mellow, empathetic, and understanding.  You can learn a lot about her through her personal quest finding her lost disciple.  Seriously, although preachy, she gives good advices and she makes you feel you have a choice to listen or not.  If this was 20 years earlier, I can see Wynn making all the decision in the adventure, and the Warden will say "Yes ma'am" half of the time, especially if the warden is a mage (and seriously outranked by Wynn).

Modifié par Tomomi, 31 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[Rheia]

I don't know. I personally never felt much kinship to Wynne. Some playthroughs I sympathized with her, most I didn't.

To put it in the sarcastic words of Iness the botanist from Awakening 'how could anyone not like the "wonderful" wynne?" She joked that it was Wynne's constant nagging and pestering to do the 'good thing' was what drove Uldred (sp) insane in the Ferelden circle.

Anders... while he shocked the hell out of me, I understood. There was a mage apprentice in Origins who summs up my opinion on Anders best: "Andraste waged war on the imperium, she didn't write them a strongly worded letter." The change rarely comes peacefully. He forced it.

[Kyela684]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

I understand his cause, but I guess I've just read too many X-Men comics. The mage deate is just like the mutant debate. Yes, their only crime is being born different. Yes, they should have the right to lead normal lives. But when there are those like Magneto and the Imperium, there's no stopping the common man from fearing for their lives, with good reason. The Circle is as much for their protection as it is for ours, they need to get rid of the whole "magic is a sin," but other than that... Anders just never realizes that if the Circle is abolished, then it's either the Imperium if mages win, with Blood Magic in the streets, or the Qunari, where mages are bound like animals, and treated like objects of destruction. Is the Circle really so bad that it's worth risking either of these outcomes?

Mutants don't have demons waiting to possess them at any time and turn them into abominations. This is primarily why the templars exist, and why the Saarebas are bound.

That is a good point, but it's immaterial to the debate. The debate is, "should they be locked away and kept separate from the rest of society?" The reason is that they are born different. It's true that mutants don't have demons whispering to them, but what mage do you know that can walk through walls? Shadowcat had the potential to be just as dangerous and deadly as a dreamstalker, which is what everybody and his mother were REALLY worried about in 2. Abominations are one thing, but that was just creepy.
Mutants may not have demons, but since when has that ever been an issue? Soceity today should be showcase enough that people can be plenty evil without any help from demons.

[Hellosanta]

Kyela684 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
... I've never wanted to stab Anders, sorry.

So... you didn't kill him after he blew up the Chantry? Really? Wow, I never thought I'd meet somebody who didn't kill him as a choice and not just to find out what happens.
Frankly, I didn't like him in Awakenings, and he just became obssessive in 2. Still just as irritating and whiny, but now obsessive on top of it. I didn't take him anywhere unless I had to.
If you don't mind my asking, what about him made you not want to stab him?

I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I understand his cause, but I guess I've just read too many X-Men comics. The mage deate is just like the mutant debate. Yes, their only crime is being born different. Yes, they should have the right to lead normal lives. But when there are those like Magneto and the Imperium, there's no stopping the common man from fearing for their lives, with good reason. The Circle is as much for their protection as it is for ours, they need to get rid of the whole "magic is a sin," but other than that... Anders just never realizes that if the Circle is abolished, then it's either the Imperium if mages win, with Blood Magic in the streets, or the Qunari, where mages are bound like animals, and treated like objects of destruction. Is the Circle really so bad that it's worth risking either of these outcomes?

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.

As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.

I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.

Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

[Kyela684]

Tomomi wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I've wanted to stab Wynne. I've never wanted to stab Merrill, or Morrigan (slap, yes... stab, no), or Irving, or Bethany.

I wanted to stab her when I realized that murdering the Warden's clan was the only way to gain approval at the end of that quest. Seriously?
It's just kind of... twisted, I guess. Why is every mage in Thedas either evil, irritating, or stuck-up? There's not one, normal, average person in all of mage-dom. Except for the one in Witch Hunt. He was okay, in small doses.

Stop stereotyping.  Maybe if you do live in Thedas, but from the first time playing DA:O until now, a mage to me is just another person.  Given their methods of fighting is different from warriors and rogues, but a mage is just another kind of fighter.  Outside of that, they are just another person, just like all other companions you have.


If you hate a mage, you just hate that person, not because he/she is a mage.  I don't like Morrigan in some cases, but I suspect she would turn out just about the same even if she is a rogue (and it is hard to see her as a warrior wearing heavy plate).  In fact, I do have a wee bit more stereotype against assassin type rogue (like Zevran) since their art is aimed at ending people's lives with any necessary mean.

But back to topic, I see my companions as Wynn, Morrigan, Lelianna, Zevran, Allistair, etc... I don't see them as this mage or that warrior when it comes to be interpersonal with them.

I do have reason to believe that, in contrary to what many people's complaint, Wynn would be one scary mage.  Through her dialogs, we can see she was a type of person who would never take "no" for answer, would be steadfast at her beliefs and get things done her way.  She would be way more assertive than any of your companion can possibly be.  So be glad that we met her in her older age and her life experiences taught her humility and calmed her down.  Now she is more open minded, mellow, empathetic, and understanding.  You can learn a lot about her through her personal quest finding her lost disciple.  Seriously, although preachy, she gives good advices and she makes you feel you have a choice to listen or not.  If this was 20 years earlier, I can see Wynn making all the decision in the adventure, and the Warden will say "Yes ma'am" half of the time, especially if the warden is a mage (and seriously outranked by Wynn).

That's part of my point, the games kind of force you to stereotype, especially in 2. I won't say that they're second-class citizens because living in the Circle is a charmed life compared to being a refugee. But it's just, every, single, mage is either irritating or evil, or just a pain in the butt. There's not one mage who's like Bonny Lem or Zevran, there's not one "fun" mage. There's no mage with endearing qualities, so the game designers kind of force you to stereotype. After all, it's not a stereotype if it's true.

[Kyela684]

Hellosanta wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
... I've never wanted to stab Anders, sorry.

So... you didn't kill him after he blew up the Chantry? Really? Wow, I never thought I'd meet somebody who didn't kill him as a choice and not just to find out what happens.
Frankly, I didn't like him in Awakenings, and he just became obssessive in 2. Still just as irritating and whiny, but now obsessive on top of it. I didn't take him anywhere unless I had to.
If you don't mind my asking, what about him made you not want to stab him?

I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I understand his cause, but I guess I've just read too many X-Men comics. The mage deate is just like the mutant debate. Yes, their only crime is being born different. Yes, they should have the right to lead normal lives. But when there are those like Magneto and the Imperium, there's no stopping the common man from fearing for their lives, with good reason. The Circle is as much for their protection as it is for ours, they need to get rid of the whole "magic is a sin," but other than that... Anders just never realizes that if the Circle is abolished, then it's either the Imperium if mages win, with Blood Magic in the streets, or the Qunari, where mages are bound like animals, and treated like objects of destruction. Is the Circle really so bad that it's worth risking either of these outcomes?

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.
As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.
I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.
Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

I never believed what the Chantry said about magic, as I said before the "magic is a sin" needs to go. And history is littered with jailers who abuse their power. It sucks and the Circle is FAR from perfect, but I think it's mainly a fear issue. The Circle could be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all parties involved, (and probably was when it first started), but the system has failed everyone. It made perfect sense to me when the end of the game said that all Circles everywhere had been demolished, when a system is that flawed, it's time to scrap it and try again. Yes, hundreds will die, welcome to human history.
... what is Sandal's prophecy? All I ever heard him say was that the Gallows was scary and Orana smells like cinnamon buns. He mentioned something about a scary lady near his bed, but that was all I ever heard of it. I made sure to click on him everytime I thought about it, but I never heard a prophecy.

[hoorayforicecream]

Hellosanta wrote...

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.

As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.

I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.

Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

The Imperium is what happens when whoever is in charge values power over basic human decency. In a battle between people willing to do anything to win and people who aren't, those who are willing to do anything to win tend to win. This is why even in today's societies, there are a lot fewer benevolent dictatorships than there are oppressive dictatorships.

[Hellosanta]

Kyela684 wrote...
I never believed what the Chantry said about magic, as I said before the "magic is a sin" needs to go. And history is littered with jailers who abuse their power. It sucks and the Circle is FAR from perfect, but I think it's mainly a fear issue. The Circle could be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all parties involved, (and probably was when it first started), but the system has failed everyone. It made perfect sense to me when the end of the game said that all Circles everywhere had been demolished, when a system is that flawed, it's time to scrap it and try again. Yes, hundreds will die, welcome to human history.
... what is Sandal's prophecy? All I ever heard him say was that the Gallows was scary and Orana smells like cinnamon buns. He mentioned something about a scary lady near his bed, but that was all I ever heard of it. I made sure to click on him everytime I thought about it, but I never heard a prophecy.

Sandal says,
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

youtube video

It felt like ... everyone was supposed to have a some sort of magical power inside them. And since many walking npcs have spoken about how the population of mages are increasing, I think mages are not supposed to be just "minority" from the beginning (let's say beginning as before the first blight).

Modifié par Hellosanta, 31 mars 2011 - 01:55 .

[Hellosanta]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.

As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.

I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.

Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

The Imperium is what happens when whoever is in charge values power over basic human decency. In a battle between people willing to do anything to win and people who aren't, those who are willing to do anything to win tend to win. This is why even in today's societies, there are a lot fewer benevolent dictatorships than there are oppressive dictatorships.

That just explains why mages are going to drastic measure (blood magic). But Imperium has started with the powerful magisters (also sinisters) and there are slavers that they can use for blood magic. All the people in Thedas are aware of that the way of magisters in Imperium is wrong. There are two different types of mages(magisters who dig for power and mages who just the freedom) who think differently and they won't result in same shoes.

[Morgora]

Kyela684 wrote...
... what is Sandal's prophecy? All I ever heard him say was that the Gallows was scary and Orana smells like cinnamon buns. He mentioned something about a scary lady near his bed, but that was all I ever heard of it. I made sure to click on him everytime I thought about it, but I never heard a prophecy.

If you talk to Sandal a lot, he'll eventually say...

Sandal: One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide.

Bodahn: Huh? What's this?

Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.

Bodahn: By the ancestors! What has gotten into you, my boy?

Sandal: Enchantment!

Bodahn: That's more like it!

Modifié par Morgora, 31 mars 2011 - 02:04 .

[Kyela684]

Hellosanta wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...
I never believed what the Chantry said about magic, as I said before the "magic is a sin" needs to go. And history is littered with jailers who abuse their power. It sucks and the Circle is FAR from perfect, but I think it's mainly a fear issue. The Circle could be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all parties involved, (and probably was when it first started), but the system has failed everyone. It made perfect sense to me when the end of the game said that all Circles everywhere had been demolished, when a system is that flawed, it's time to scrap it and try again. Yes, hundreds will die, welcome to human history.
... what is Sandal's prophecy? All I ever heard him say was that the Gallows was scary and Orana smells like cinnamon buns. He mentioned something about a scary lady near his bed, but that was all I ever heard of it. I made sure to click on him everytime I thought about it, but I never heard a prophecy.

Sandal says,
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

youtube video

It felt like ... everyone was supposed to have a some sort of magical power inside them. And since many walking npcs have spoken about how the population of mages are increasing, I think mages are not supposed to be just "minority" from the beginning (let's say beginning as before the first blight).

Yeah... and if you listen to the Dalish, they say that EVERYONE has magic, that's why any elf can become Keeper. It would also explain why "normal" people can make deals with demons and become abominations. It's just a matter of tapping into it. I guess it's like psychic ability in our world, everyone has it, it's just a matter of who can tap into it. I wonder who "he" is... I'm guessing he's going to make everyone's magic available to them.
Note: If you don't believe me, ask any good mother. My mom was two states away and knew that I had been admitted to the hospital before anyone had a chance to tell her. Didn't know that I had broke my ankle, but she just KNEW that I severely hurt myself.

[hoorayforicecream]

Hellosanta wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.

As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.

I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.

Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

The Imperium is what happens when whoever is in charge values power over basic human decency. In a battle between people willing to do anything to win and people who aren't, those who are willing to do anything to win tend to win. This is why even in today's societies, there are a lot fewer benevolent dictatorships than there are oppressive dictatorships.

That just explains why mages are going to drastic measure (blood magic). But Imperium has started with the powerful magisters (also sinisters) and there are slavers that they can use for blood magic. All the people in Thedas are aware of that the way of magisters in Imperium is wrong. There are two different types of mages(magisters who dig for power and mages who just the freedom) who think differently and they won't result in same shoes.

The problem is that when the two groups fight, the ones who aren't hampered by conscience tend to win.

[Kyela684]

Hellosanta wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

I don't approve Imperium (especially with their "slavery"). Freedom to mages won't always end up like Imperium, I think. Imperium is just different case from the bottom of it.

As far as I know, the Circle in Kirkwall was really bad with mages who bound to submit themselves to jailers(templars) and templars who abuse, rape and kill mages although they weren't really the "threat" which templars are supposed to be against.

I don't really want to argue about that if the Circle is bad or not. I think it was ok dozens of years ago when templars and mages had friendship or respected each other.

Besides, all the things going on in DA universe and according to Sandal's prophecy, I don't believe in what chantry says about magic/mage.

The Imperium is what happens when whoever is in charge values power over basic human decency. In a battle between people willing to do anything to win and people who aren't, those who are willing to do anything to win tend to win. This is why even in today's societies, there are a lot fewer benevolent dictatorships than there are oppressive dictatorships.

That just explains why mages are going to drastic measure (blood magic). But Imperium has started with the powerful magisters (also sinisters) and there are slavers that they can use for blood magic. All the people in Thedas are aware of that the way of magisters in Imperium is wrong. There are two different types of mages(magisters who dig for power and mages who just the freedom) who think differently and they won't result in same shoes.

Like I said, it's the mutant debate all over again. Most mages just want to live normal lives, but all it takes is one ruthless enough to do anything to gain power and BAM, Imperium.

[ObserverStatus]

Wynne: She never really bothered me except on playthroughs when I wanted to be a reaver.

Morrigan: She really says some horrible things, and the only reason I keep her around is for the shock laughs. She's kind of like Ann Coulter in that way. Her need to bicker with the rest of the party grated on me a bit though.

Finn: zzz...

Velanna: What is wrong with this woman? I don't think I've ever had a conversation with her in which she doesn't make a racist remark. Morrigan never said anything nice wither, but at least she was funny sometimes.

Anders: He was my favorite character in DA:A, but merging with Justice seems to have taken away all his likeable traits. In DA:A he was laid back and funny, but in DA2 his only notable trait seemed to be having a bizarre compulsion to argue about politics. I didn't like it when he blew up the chantry either, even though the fireworks were pretty. Grand Cleric Elthina was the only one of Kirkwall's figureheads whom I did not want to stab.

Merrill: Her recruitment sequence really freaked me out. When the Keeper told me that Merrill would be leaving with me, I desperately scanned the dialogue wheel for an option to ask why, but there was none to be found. As I explored the camp, I learned that Merrill was being exiled from the clan. If she's coming with me, don't I deserve to know why? If she's being banished for being a serial killer or a cannibal, it would be helpful for me to know. Later I discovered that she was just a blood mage and a demon apologist. Great, what could possibly go wrong?

Bethany: Poor girl, I always told her not to leap in front of charging ogres but she just wouldn't listen...

Modifié par bobobo878, 31 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[Kyela684]

bobobo878 wrote...
Wynne: She never really bothered me except on playthroughs when I wanted to be a reaver.
Morrigan: She really says some horrible things, and the only reason I keep her around is for the shock laughs. She's kind of like Ann Coulter in that way. Her need to bicker with the rest of the party grated on me a bit though.
Finn: zzz...
Velanna: What is wrong with this woman? I don't think I've ever had a conversation with her in which she doesn't make a racist remark. Morrigan never said anything nice wither, but at least she was funny sometimes.
Anders: He was my favorite character in DA:A, but merging with Justice seems to have taken away all his likeable traits. In DA:A he was laid back and funny, but in DA2 his only notable trait seemed to be having a bizarre compulsion to argue about politics. I didn't like it when he blew up the chantry either, even though the fireworks were pretty. Grand Cleric Elthina was the only one of Kirkwall's figureheads whom I did not want to stab.
Merrill: Her recruitment sequence really freaked me out. When the Keeper told me that Merrill would be leaving with me, I desperately scanned the dialogue wheel for an option to ask why, but there was none to be found. As I explored the camp, I learned that Merrill was being exiled from the clan. If she's coming with me, don't I deserve to know why? If she's being banished for being a serial killer or a cannibal, it would be helpful for me to know. Later I discovered that she was just a blood mage and a demon apologist. Great, what could possibly go wrong?
Bethany: Poor girl, I always told her not to leap in front of charging ogres but she just wouldn't listen...

Agreed with Grand Cleric Elthina. I'm just wondering why the game designers couldn't be bothered to make one mage, just one, that was any fun. Even some random old guy living in a tree who makes weird comments everytime you pass would have been appreciated. But there isn't, not one. I'm just wondering if anybody else noticed this, and could offer a reason why.

[Hellosanta]

I don't like Grand Cleric to be honest. I liked her in the first playthrough but ever since I got through all possible conversation with her, she's just ... I dunno. She looks just same as a kind of blinded religious person who always believe the god will do everything for her so she only needs to pray. She absolutely does nothing for both templars and mages.

[Zjarcal]

Kyela684 wrote...

Wynne. Why is there only ONE MAGE in the ENTIRE Dragon Age Universe, that isn't a total pain in the coccyx? One! Every other mage you meet you just want to stab. At some point or another, you just want to stab them. And even Wynne is fairly preachy. Why is it that every single mage in the Dragon Age Universe just... sucks? One awesome mage, is that too much to ask? One!

Wynne is the ONE mage I ALWAYS wanted to stab. 

[Kyela684]

Zjarcal wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

Wynne. Why is there only ONE MAGE in the ENTIRE Dragon Age Universe, that isn't a total pain in the coccyx? One! Every other mage you meet you just want to stab. At some point or another, you just want to stab them. And even Wynne is fairly preachy. Why is it that every single mage in the Dragon Age Universe just... sucks? One awesome mage, is that too much to ask? One!

Wynne is the ONE mage I ALWAYS wanted to stab. 

Yeah, I'm kind of sorry I started this thread that way. The way I should have started it was, "has anybody else noticed that every single mage in Thedas is just... not any fun?" There isn't a single one with endearing qualities, and it just makes me wonder why.

[Kyela684]

Hellosanta wrote...

I don't like Grand Cleric to be honest. I liked her in the first playthrough but ever since I got through all possible conversation with her, she's just ... I dunno. She looks just same as a kind of blinded religious person who always believe the god will do everything for her so she only needs to pray. She absolutely does nothing for both templars and mages.

*shrug* Catholics are everywhere. I agree with Meredith, push comes to shove she has to back the templars, why she kept trying to placate Orsino, I never understood. I admire her for trying to keep the peace, but peace just refsed to be kept in that cesspool of a city. Frankly, by the end of the game, I was sorry I didn't let the Arishok take over the place.

[HolyJellyfish]

Marethari. Probably the only mage who never becomes a maleficarum, isn't infested with a spirit / demon, and never makes deals with the darkside.

And when she does become an abomination, its to save another person.

I loved Marethari.

[HolyJellyfish]

Kyela684 wrote...


Yeah... and if you listen to the Dalish, they say that EVERYONE has magic, that's why any elf can become Keeper.

This isn't true. Merrill makes a very important comment that magic among the Dalish is dying, that's why keepers are so damn important. They are one of the rare elves who actually have magic.

Even Merrill isn't originally from her clan. She was given to them at a young girl to be trained as a first, since she was one of the very few elves who had magic.

[Torax]

Keep in mind that in DA2 they were forced to cram blood magic and douche mages down your throat to attempt to justify Meredith's side in final decision (I use the term decision loosely). Basically lets try to convince the player that all mages must be evil cause we've killed a hundred of them and one of them killed my mother. So yeah that Right of Annulment is a good idea.

How many corrupt/abusive Templars did we see, maybe 3 or 4. Ser Alrik was pretty naughty sure. There was that Templar working with Petrice was corrupt I guess. Ser Keraas is the one who approaches as you leave the cave from talking to grace in act 2. He's not as much Corrupt or Evil, he was just following orders but of course Ser Thrask uses his Plot Shield to keep Grace alive. That is it for the most part. Lastly of course there is Meredith who was bat chit crazy. That is compared to the piles upon piles of blood mages we kill to try and justify Meredith's proposal of Genocide of all Circle in Kirkwall.

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...


Yeah... and if you listen to the Dalish, they say that EVERYONE has magic, that's why any elf can become Keeper.

This isn't true. Merrill makes a very important comment that magic among the Dalish is dying, that's why keepers are so damn important. They are one of the rare elves who actually have magic.

Even Merrill isn't originally from her clan. She was given to them at a young girl to be trained as a first, since she was one of the very few elves who had magic.

Aye, what Merrill says is in their days of Arlathan supposedly all Elves had the gift. As their blood quickened they also lost their magic as well. Every Dalish who has magic is trained to be a keeper and if one clans has no need they will go to a clan that needs a first. Merrill herself left her clan when she was like 6 to be the first for Merathari

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Torax wrote...

Keep in mind that in DA2 they were forced to cram blood magic and douche mages down your throat to attempt to justify Meredith's side in final decision (I use the term decision loosely). Basically lets try to convince the player that all mages must be evil cause we've killed a hundred of them and one of them killed my mother. So yeah that Right of Annulment is a good idea.

How many corrupt/abusive Templars did we see, maybe 3 or 4. Ser Alrik was pretty naughty sure. There was that Templar working with Petrice was corrupt I guess. Ser Keraas is the one who approaches as you leave the cave from talking to grace in act 2. He's not as much Corrupt or Evil, he was just following orders but of course Ser Thrask uses his Plot Shield to keep Grace alive. That is it for the most part. Lastly of course there is Meredith who was bat chit crazy. That is compared to the piles upon piles of blood mages we kill to try and justify Meredith's proposal of Genocide of all Circle in Kirkwall.

LOL I felt really wrong to side with Templars until the Act II (I haven't gotten the achievement for siding with templars at least 5 times yet). In order to make people to side with Templars, dev needed to make piles of corrupted mages for sure.

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Torax wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...


Yeah... and if you listen to the Dalish, they say that EVERYONE has magic, that's why any elf can become Keeper.

This isn't true. Merrill makes a very important comment that magic among the Dalish is dying, that's why keepers are so damn important. They are one of the rare elves who actually have magic.

Even Merrill isn't originally from her clan. She was given to them at a young girl to be trained as a first, since she was one of the very few elves who had magic.

Aye, what Merrill says is in their days of Arlathan supposedly all Elves had the gift. As their blood quickened they also lost their magic as well. Every Dalish who has magic is trained to be a keeper and if one clans has no need they will go to a clan that needs a first. Merrill herself left her clan when she was like 6 to be the first for Merathari

Now I think I see possible connections on with blood, magic hidden inside people, blood magic, Huon's comments when he stabbed his wife and so on ... I will need some time to sum up things to make a theory about it though.