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[Eranelle]

Hellosanta wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...
I never believed what the Chantry said about magic, as I said before the "magic is a sin" needs to go. And history is littered with jailers who abuse their power. It sucks and the Circle is FAR from perfect, but I think it's mainly a fear issue. The Circle could be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all parties involved, (and probably was when it first started), but the system has failed everyone. It made perfect sense to me when the end of the game said that all Circles everywhere had been demolished, when a system is that flawed, it's time to scrap it and try again. Yes, hundreds will die, welcome to human history.
... what is Sandal's prophecy? All I ever heard him say was that the Gallows was scary and Orana smells like cinnamon buns. He mentioned something about a scary lady near his bed, but that was all I ever heard of it. I made sure to click on him everytime I thought about it, but I never heard a prophecy.

Sandal says,
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

youtube video

It felt like ... everyone was supposed to have a some sort of magical power inside them. And since many walking npcs have spoken about how the population of mages are increasing, I think mages are not supposed to be just "minority" from the beginning (let's say beginning as before the first blight).

oh wow, I never heard Sandal saying things like that. ugh.. i never stayed much in my own estate.

[Asdara]

I wanted to stab Wynne a lot actually, on all my Warden's across the board, that woman is PREACHY... but my pro-Chantry/Templar mage would have cut her head off and sent it bouncing across the campsite if she knew Wynne was an abomination.  Just saying.

I didn't hate her as a player, but she got on all my characters' nerves.

[Gamer Ftw]

I have never wanted to stab Anders or Morrigan I wanted to stab Wynne every time she opened her know it all mouth.

[UltiPup]

Wynne is old. Very old. Wisdom comes with age. Patience comes with age. Understanding.

She is just better suited to know ****.

[Jean]

... Sorry, never wanted to stab Anders or Wynne.

The game had so many insane crazy blood mages on purpose.

[Corto81]

Hellosanta wrote...

I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I can't force myself to let him live after 3 times...

He's irritating, whiny and obssessive, but he was in my party as the only mage in Acts 2 and 3 and I was somewhat attached to him (yes, and cos he's the only healer NPC).

But no matter what his goal was, killing dozens of innocent people (priests, High Cleric, citizens...) is just so twisted there's no way I can let him live and tag along....

Overall, a whiny, irritating but in-a-funny-way guy from Awakening was turned into a whiny, irritating sociopath with serious issues in DA2... I really liked Anders in Awakening, hated what they did to him in DA2.

[Kyela684]

Sylriel wrote...

Wynne is dead? Really? I missed that.

If you burn Amaranthine, she dies. She was there, remember? And unlike Anders, she wouldn't leave people to die.

[Hellosanta]

Corto81 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I can't force myself to let him live after 3 times...

He's irritating, whiny and obssessive, but he was in my party as the only mage in Acts 2 and 3 and I was somewhat attached to him (yes, and cos he's the only healer NPC).

But no matter what his goal was, killing dozens of innocent people (priests, High Cleric, citizens...) is just so twisted there's no way I can let him live and tag along....

Overall, a whiny, irritating but in-a-funny-way guy from Awakening was turned into a whiny, irritating sociopath with serious issues in DA2... I really liked Anders in Awakening, hated what they did to him in DA2.

While he killed dozens of innocent people at one shot, Templar and Chantry have killed hundreds of innocent people over years. I was miffed at his action but it was understandable as Chantry would have ended up siding with Templar anyway.
I do understand that Ander being a terriorist as many people have argued about it, but still, I (at least my Hawke) was and am in love with him. If I were Hawke, I wouldn't desert/kill my lover even if he was a terriorist.

[Kyela684]

Batteries wrote...

... Sorry, never wanted to stab Anders or Wynne.

The game had so many insane crazy blood mages on purpose.

"Why?" Is the question this thread poses.
Why did the creators all but put a templar shield in your hand?
It's almost impossible to side with the mages. As Hawke said, "apostates and blood mages? Sounds like a Tuesday." or "Someday, I would like to go one week without meeting an insane mage. Just one week!"
And even if you do, Orsino STILL turns into the Harvester. I found out he was in correspondence with Quentin and was only sorry I didn't get to stab him when he was still himself enough to feel it.
This whole game is just a string of "bad/worse" choices that ultimately leads to the kick-off of worldwide holy war. I didn't feel like I was making "the earth quake before me." I felt like someone somewhere was coming at me with a spiked steel rod and a bottle of lube.

[Rheia]

Sylriel wrote...

Wynne is dead? Really? I missed that.

If you burn Amaranthine, she dies. She was there, remember?

Actually, when you first meet Wynne in Amaranthine she is just leaving for Cumberland where there is a magi fraternities debate. She sends you off to find Iness to get another 'voice of reason' to speak against Libertarians trying to break free of the Chantry, if I recall.

So, no, she isn't dead if you burn Amaranthine.

Can still die if her spirit has weakened enough  during the Champion's storyline, I suppose though.

Modifié par Rheia, 31 mars 2011 - 06:34 .

[Kyela684]

Corto81 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I can't force myself to let him live after 3 times...
He's irritating, whiny and obssessive, but he was in my party as the only mage in Acts 2 and 3 and I was somewhat attached to him (yes, and cos he's the only healer NPC).
But no matter what his goal was, killing dozens of innocent people (priests, High Cleric, citizens...) is just so twisted there's no way I can let him live and tag along....
Overall, a whiny, irritating but in-a-funny-way guy from Awakening was turned into a whiny, irritating sociopath with serious issues in DA2... I really liked Anders in Awakening, hated what they did to him in DA2.

Agreed. Once I found out he was my only option for a healer, I made sure I always had at least 20 health potions before going anywhere and just left his feathered butt home. Seriously, the one group heal spell in the entire game and he can only use it when he's not attacking? F-A-I-L. Epic, Fail.

[Kyela684]

Hellosanta wrote...

Corto81 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
I love him and I do understand his cause. I'm in my 4th playthrough and he basically convinced me over time. I was shocked at the fisrt playthrough because of what he had done, but I didn't kill him. Though I did kill him in the 2nd playthrough because I was romancing Fenris and was pro-templar.

I can't force myself to let him live after 3 times...
He's irritating, whiny and obssessive, but he was in my party as the only mage in Acts 2 and 3 and I was somewhat attached to him (yes, and cos he's the only healer NPC).
But no matter what his goal was, killing dozens of innocent people (priests, High Cleric, citizens...) is just so twisted there's no way I can let him live and tag along....
Overall, a whiny, irritating but in-a-funny-way guy from Awakening was turned into a whiny, irritating sociopath with serious issues in DA2... I really liked Anders in Awakening, hated what they did to him in DA2.

While he killed dozens of innocent people at one shot, Templar and Chantry have killed hundreds of innocent people over years. I was miffed at his action but it was understandable as Chantry would have ended up siding with Templar anyway.
I do understand that Ander being a terriorist as many people have argued about it, but still, I (at least my Hawke) was and am in love with him. If I were Hawke, I wouldn't desert/kill my lover even if he was a terriorist.

Zealots, they're just not worth it. Anyone that closed-minded is in need of more help than the average person is willing to, or even can, give. Sad, but true.

[Torax]

Rheia wrote...

Sylriel wrote...

Wynne is dead? Really? I missed that.

If you burn Amaranthine, she dies. She was there, remember?

Actually, when you first meet Wynne in Amaranthine she is just leaving for Cumberland where there is a magi fraternities debate. She sends you off to find Iness to get another 'voice of reason' to speak against Libertarians trying to break free of the Chantry, if I recall.

So, no, she isn't dead if you burn Amaranthine.

Can still die if her spirit has weakened enough  during the Champion's storyline, I suppose though.

If I recall you don't even see Wynne again after she gives the quest. The quest is to go fined Ines and then ends at Ines. Wynne is no where to be found after. I'm more curious how she's there when she was supposed to be off in Tevinter with Shale...

[Jean]

Kyela684 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

... Sorry, never wanted to stab Anders or Wynne.

The game had so many insane crazy blood mages on purpose.

"Why?" Is the question this thread poses.
Why did the creators all but put a templar shield in your hand?
It's almost impossible to side with the mages. As Hawke said, "apostates and blood mages? Sounds like a Tuesday." or "Someday, I would like to go one week without meeting an insane mage. Just one week!"
And even if you do, Orsino STILL turns into the Harvester. I found out he was in correspondence with Quentin and was only sorry I didn't get to stab him when he was still himself enough to feel it.
This whole game is just a string of "bad/worse" choices that ultimately leads to the kick-off of worldwide holy war. I didn't feel like I was making "the earth quake before me." I felt like someone somewhere was coming at me with a spiked steel rod and a bottle of lube.

I can side with the mages perfectly fine.

For why there are so many blood mages in Kirkwall? Kirkwall is Hellmouth argument works fine.

Modifié par Batteries, 31 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[Torax]

Yes now lets see. Side with the lady that would either

A. Want me to help kill all the mages (Including your Sister if you are not a mage).

Nothing could go bad with this. You know the same women who wouldn't let a Viscount be appointed and wanted to get rid of the Guard to consolidate her power

B. Meredith wants an Apostate namely me to help her kill all the mages.

I'm sure she'd just let me slide...

Yup meanwhile

C. Side with the Mages even though many are corrupt.

Not all of them are corrupt. I'd refuse to believe Bethany, Alain and that stupid Emille at the very least are all innocent. There is a ton in there. Especially if that Crazy power hungry lady would probably try to kill me later. She even gave me a nasty look before calling me the Champion 3 years ago.


I'm kind of not really seeing the plus sides choices A. & B.

[Knightly_BW]

If we talk about Origins, I like Morrigan, Wynne and Irving they are cool examples of mages. Although hated Jowan, Uldred and Flemeth (she can be one of the most interesting characters in DA Universe but I love to hate her).

Then came the Awakenings with two most annoying mages I see so far. Anders packed back to the templars (too bad you can't kill him) and other insignificant named dalish witch killed on first opportunity.

Here on DA 2, every mage is annoying and makes siding with templars both easy and reasonable choice. Bethany is the worst of your two siblings, Merrill is cute and all but doomed his entire clan, only good thing about Anders is you finally get a chance to kill him. NPC mages are worse, if there is a mage in sight be sure demons will run rampant soon.

[Jorrkit]

I love Morrigan so, so much. From the moment she disdainfully referred to the people of Lothering as "cretins," my heart was in her pocket. Provided those robes have them, which they almost certainly do not. =)

[Kyela684]

Asperius wrote...

If we talk about Origins, I like Morrigan, Wynne and Irving they are cool examples of mages. Although hated Jowan, Uldred and Flemeth (she can be one of the most interesting characters in DA Universe but I love to hate her).

Then came the Awakenings with two most annoying mages I see so far. Anders packed back to the templars (too bad you can't kill him) and other insignificant named dalish witch killed on first opportunity.

Here on DA 2, every mage is annoying and makes siding with templars both easy and reasonable choice. Bethany is the worst of your two siblings, Merrill is cute and all but doomed his entire clan, only good thing about Anders is you finally get a chance to kill him. NPC mages are worse, if there is a mage in sight be sure demons will run rampant soon.

Is Flemeth really a mage? Considering the things she does, I think she's something else entirely. Also, from the moment Flemeth opened her mouth, I was totally over the moon with her. But then, I'm a huge Voyager geek. Plus, she's funny. She's the one witty magic user in the whole DA Universe. There's something to be said for that.
Yeah, this whole "blood magic is rampant in the streets" really just makes me feel unclean. I wouldn't live very long in a city where I run into demons every other Tuesday. At one point, Isabela said that she would leave if she could convince the right person to come with her... I so wanted that option. I would have sold that damn house and bought a boat the next day had it been an option. Who cares if Hawke is a lousy sailor? That can be rectified. Years of blood mages around every corner can't. Changes a person.

[Kyela684]

Jorrkit wrote...

I love Morrigan so, so much. From the moment she disdainfully referred to the people of Lothering as "cretins," my heart was in her pocket. Provided those robes have them, which they almost certainly do not. =)

I think it's worth mentioning that Leliana, who spouts all that stuff about love, ultimately leaves the Warden and Morrigan, while she does leave, will take the Warden with her through the mirror.

[Kyela684]

Torax wrote...
Yes now lets see. Side with the lady that would either
A. Want me to help kill all the mages (Including your Sister if you are not a mage).
Nothing could go bad with this. You know the same women who wouldn't let a Viscount be appointed and wanted to get rid of the Guard to consolidate her power
B. Meredith wants an Apostate namely me to help her kill all the mages.
I'm sure she'd just let me slide...
Yup meanwhile
C. Side with the Mages even though many are corrupt.
Not all of them are corrupt. I'd refuse to believe Bethany, Alain and that stupid Emille at the very least are all innocent. There is a ton in there. Especially if that Crazy power hungry lady would probably try to kill me later. She even gave me a nasty look before calling me the Champion 3 years ago.
I'm kind of not really seeing the plus sides choices A. & B.

I always thought it was interesting that no one ever seems to notice Merril is a mage. "Gee, why ever did that tree just rip a man in half?"
Yeah, this whole game was a series of bad/worse choices. What happened to "changing the world forever?" I was just dragged along by the nose into kick-starting a Holy War. Yay, me.

[Torax]

My theory just cause it would be cool as hell. Flemeth's demon aiding her is actually the Dread Wolf himself. Just sayin, that would be epic.

edited to add.

The game is all about just dragging the player around for things out of your hands. Why it feels more like Mass Effect 2 than Origins. Just the answers didn't seem as much of Red and Blue and there was no fleet of Reapers or anything at the end of DA2.

Modifié par Torax, 31 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[Kyela684]

Torax wrote...

My theory just cause it would be cool as hell. Flemeth's demon aiding her is actually the Dread Wolf himself. Just sayin, that would be epic.

edited to add.

The game is all about just dragging the player around for things out of your hands. Why it feels more like Mass Effect 2 than Origins. Just the answers didn't seem as much of Red and Blue and there was no fleet of Reapers or anything at the end of DA2.

That would be most awesome. #2 was a bit of a dissapointment, but the second in a trillogy usually is. And I think we can all agree that there is DEFINATELY a third one on the way.

[Knightly_BW]

Not really related but I realized something last night after my 3rd run ended.

I was always thinking why Seekers look for Warden and Champion related to current state of Thedas. Then it dawned on me. Both characters have impact on Circle/Templar affairs, Warden during Broken Circle and Hawke during Kirkwall RoA. If you side with templars at the end Cassandar mention Hawke as a supporter of Templars. So it is possible to Warden can be another one or supporter of mages according to your choice during Broken Circle quest or more if you are a mage and requested more freedom for mages at the end of DA:O.

Now I am waiting eagerly for next Dragon Age game. Tho have doubts we will see Hawke or Warden in that game (or play as one of them). Next one will be the person who puts an end to this conflct by siding with one of the sides.

[Torax]

I think it's more that they are just respected people both sides may listen to. One is the person who ended a friggen Blight. The other is a Champion. Which apparently is some special fancy title that is about someone doing the right thing for the good of the many or something. The Codex really trumps up the title of Champion as something extra fancy. If I recall the Warden was the Champion of Redcliffe before they were the Hero. Heh.

[Augustei]

Kyela684 wrote...

Wynne. Why is there only ONE MAGE in the ENTIRE Dragon Age Universe, that isn't a total pain in the coccyx? One! Every other mage you meet you just want to stab. At some point or another, you just want to stab them. And even Wynne is fairly preachy. Why is it that every single mage in the Dragon Age Universe just... sucks? One awesome mage, is that too much to ask? One!

Nah I wanted to stab wynne lol, Morrigan was awesome though no way would I hurt her, and Flemeth... well I already have "killed" her but didn't really want to its just.... I like Morrigan more, and Merrill is pretty awesome, and Bethany and my Hawke and Alistairs mother the elf chick in The calling (Not confirmed but it so is her) seems cool, if broody at first. Irving was cool as well =D so yeah, your conclusion is WRONG! lol. Seriously though, Wynne is the only one you liked? Wynne was annoying as ugh hated wynne.. And theres a few awesome mages you are forgetting anyway.