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[SirLysander]

Kyela684 wrote...
It's possible, but he corrupted Justice. Turned him into Vengeance. Which I always thought really sucked because I made a point to show Justice the shades of grey in Awakenings. I was even starting to get through to him... and then Anders happened. Wynne probably would have had a lot to say to Anders, being that they are both technically posessed. I'm not sure why so many people forget Wynne has a spirit inside of her, too. I always wondered what kind of spirit it was and if being in Wynne corrupted it like Justice in Anders.

Nope - Justice corrupted Justice.  During Awakening; you mentioned you spoke to him during the expansion - did you hear his comments about how interesting he found the Mortal World, and how he wanted to stay.... (then again, he would also throw out "I wonder if I can go back to the Fade" but that was overshadowed by the more numerous comments finding the Mortal World all the more Interesting. ) and then the Lyrium Ring comment.  Anders was never angry or enraged in Awakening; how could "Anders'" anger corrupt Justice if it wasn't there to begin with?

Besides, there's no demons or spirits, only entities that are or are not interested in the Mortal World, and want (or not) to cross over.

[Vhalkyrie]

Anders' anger was always "what lies beneath". In Awakenings, he always struck me as the type that hides his true emotions under joking and sarcasm.

[Torax]

I've mostly decided to just take it like this. Origins was what happened in Origins. Leave it at that. Now we just have what is before us in DA2. Like a parallel universe. Different Voice Artists. Different Writers at times. If you're lucky they may still have the same Hair Style.

[Vhalkyrie]

Can't we just take it like the news when someone goes postal? The neighbors always say, "He seemed like such a nice guy, and he loved his cat. I never would have thought he could do this."

[Morgora]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Can't we just take it like the news when someone goes postal? The neighbors always say, "He seemed like such a nice guy, and he loved his cat. I never would have thought he could do this."

*LOL* That's exactly how I look at Anders.

[Morgora]

Asdara wrote...

I wanted to stab Wynne a lot actually, on all my Warden's across the board, that woman is PREACHY... but my pro-Chantry/Templar mage would have cut her head off and sent it bouncing across the campsite if she knew Wynne was an abomination.  Just saying.

I didn't hate her as a player, but she got on all my characters' nerves.

As for Wynne being preachy, she will apologize to the Warden for her assumptions if you have high approval when you talk to her in camp.

Modifié par Morgora, 31 mars 2011 - 10:03 .

[Kov]

"Good mages"? Let's see: Wynne, Bethany, Feynriel, Anders before he got possessed, Keeper Marethari, probably Hawke's father, Fiona, Finn, Mage Hawke/Warden... And others we just don't know.
Velanna hated humans, but in my epilogue she started to change her view on them thanks to her friendship with the Warden, and saved an entire human village from darkspawn alone. She changed to better.
Merrill was too naive, but definitly not evil. I doubt she'll pact with demons ever again.

Mages are humans, like the rest of people in Thedas. Some are good, some are bad.

And I didn't kill Anders, because even if I was shocked and angry when I found out what he did, I can understand his reasons. I wouldn't have been so extreme, but things couldn't stay as they were. Mages are treated as if they were'nt really human beings, but some kind of monsters who need to be in a cage all his life. If they run away, it's legal to kill them. Templars can decide to make them tranquils even before the Harrowing if they want. Anders said that there were abuses in the Circles (some templars even raped mages and got unpunished), and mages just can't defend themselves because no one is even interested in helping them, not the Chantry, nor kings or nobles. Everybody is too busy or too afraid... If you mix all this with an apostate mage and a corrupted spirit, well, it could have been worse. Destroying a Chantry and killing innocents wasn't the best answer maybe, but a revolution was needed.
After thinking a few minutes about it, my Hawke (who was in love with Anders) spared him and they run away together.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Hawke mage who supports templar - good.
Warden mage who supposes templar - good.
Dead mage - good.
Mage who kills himself - saint and martyr.

[Bayz]

^Naaayy world without mages would be dull look at us, having walking WMD's is always fun to have around

I think Wynne's preachyness comes more from her age than for her being a mage...she's that kind of nice old lady that gives you cookies after telling you you shouldn't jump her wall again to kick her dog because she sees that you are truly sorry because you are a good guy\\gal even though is the 95th time you did it this week...

Ohh well unless you touch the Urn of the Sacred Ashes...then she gets mad and tries to vaporize you...

Modifié par Bayz, 31 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[JesterPsychotica]

Jowan!

~Waits for the screams~

But really, he just wanted to be happy with his woman and saw no other options. What he did to Eamon was at the behest of Loghain, because he thought it would win him his freedom.

If he was able to live, he turned his life around and sought redemption. If not, he willingly accepted the punishment that was in store for him.

[Bayz]

He wanted to be happy after dealing with demons in an attempt to surpass you. Also everything Jowan does is apparently destined to backfire horribly...is not a jerkass as a person like other mages, that is true, but still...

[Autodoll]

 Add me to the list of players who didn't kill Anders, and it's pleasure to meet you. 
I've actually never wanted to kill any of the mage companions in DA. Wynne was a little preachy and sanctimonious, and I killed her in my "OMGChantry!" mage playthrough, but not any other time. I liked Finn, despite his squeamishness, Morrigan was like my Warden's bff (and every male I made was with her romantically), Sketch was adorable. Jowan... was kind of a moron for getting involved with an initiate, but I can't help but feel bad for him (again, I've only betrayed him in my loyalist mage profile). And even though I hated Velanna at first, she grew on my and I grew to respect her character. Anders has been a favourite of mine since his reveal for Awakening. Although, Irving did irk me. A lot. Other than that, I like the mages we've been presented in Origins.
Even in DA2; although Bethany annoys me (mostly because my siblings are more like Carver, the creepy perfect sister is not what I'm used to), and Merrill is like an adorable little hamster; painfully naive, but my Hawke can't help but want to protect her little replacement-sister (I play as a mage), even though she's dangerous. I understand if these characters annoy you, I can see how they would considering how many of them betray you in the face so often, but... No, I didn't want to stab every mage. Whiney nobles and bigoted priests? Where be mah murder knife??? 

Edit: Smiley emoticons! 

Modifié par Autodoll, 01 avril 2011 - 03:30 .

[RyuStrife]

I never killed Anders either. For legit reason, I wanted the Chantry destroyed. The Grand cleric was USELESS. She and all those preachy non doing slavers needed death.

And before anyone corrects me YES I said slavers -.- Chantry is just worst. Yah Mages are....Pretty powerful but their easily corrupted like any human. Hell... All you need is a couple of dead bodies and a shifted veil for demons to pop out and possess a non mage.

And yea,.. Ander's messed up. ALL that work My Mage warden did to try to change peoples minds about mages he downs in the tube.
.. Also yes there are several mages I wish to stab. No.. Not even stab. I want to torture than hang, Jowan for just being so fail.. That creepy mage in the DA:O Circle Chapel. The one that kept talking about dying she just creeped me out and needed to die.

Oh and the Dalish chick from DA:Awakening. Can you say annoying...?
And on a side note... If I could? I'd at least be a corrupted mage ONCE to try out the powers of an abomination. ^.^

[MG800]

I never did want to stab Wynne - I was always pretty neutral about her, and so I was about Morrigan until I started to love her, and Merril - I've only wanted to slap her a few times. And punch Jowan. Repeatedly.

And about Anders - I was like "I like you"/I"i don't care about you" in Awakening - and when I first met him I was suspicious, thinking he's more then what he shows, and thus cannot be trusted (but he turned out pretty harmless thorough the game).
In DA2 he doesn't seem to hide anything nasty - the worst has been told, and sure, he probably has a secrets, but they don't seem to scream from a second plan anymore. And he got really bad at lying - I think he just doesn't feel a need anymore(effect of Justice).
So yes, I actually liked him more in DAII - he was far more interesting and seemed more "complete" - and I didn't killed him - yet - I can't bring myself to side with templars, and killing him while siding with mages... well I always told him to get out, before I change my mind - after all I'm fighting for his cause now.  

Modifié par MG800, 01 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[Kyela684]

Batteries wrote...
For why there are so many blood mages in Kirkwall? Kirkwall is Hellmouth argument works fine.

Wow, that's... a little disturbing, actually. I mean, I knew Dragon Age was dark when I signed on but... Hellmouths?! Goes a little farther than I wanted, but I've already played it twice, no real point in stopping now.

[Kyela684]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Kyela684 wrote...

Wynne. Why is there only ONE MAGE in the ENTIRE Dragon Age Universe, that isn't a total pain in the coccyx? One! Every other mage you meet you just want to stab. At some point or another, you just want to stab them. And even Wynne is fairly preachy. Why is it that every single mage in the Dragon Age Universe just... sucks? One awesome mage, is that too much to ask? One!

Nah I wanted to stab wynne lol, Morrigan was awesome though no way would I hurt her, and Flemeth... well I already have "killed" her but didn't really want to its just.... I like Morrigan more, and Merrill is pretty awesome, and Bethany and my Hawke and Alistairs mother the elf chick in The calling (Not confirmed but it so is her) seems cool, if broody at first. Irving was cool as well =D so yeah, your conclusion is WRONG! lol. Seriously though, Wynne is the only one you liked? Wynne was annoying as ugh hated wynne.. And theres a few awesome mages you are forgetting anyway.

I see you haven't read the whole thread. I recanted that, several times over. I changed the point to be, "why is there no 'fun' mage?" Even an old guy that tells horrible jokes whenever you pass by would have been appreciated. After 3 years in Kirkwall, I just wanted to scream, "why so serious?" Think about it, there's not a single mage that's 'fun.' It just seems like the deigns of the writers to ultimately make you hate mages just as much as anybody else in Thedas. Hawke even says it, "Abominations and Blood Mages? Sounds like a Tuesday." and let's not forget, "Someday, I would like to go one week without meeting an insane mage. Just one week!"

[Kyela684]

Torax wrote...

I've mostly decided to just take it like this. Origins was what happened in Origins. Leave it at that. Now we just have what is before us in DA2. Like a parallel universe. Different Voice Artists. Different Writers at times. If you're lucky they may still have the same Hair Style.

That's what I've been trying to tell people. Got a friend of mine who has all but sworn off Dragon Age completely because he hated 2 so much and I say to him, "listen, it's like Resident Evil game vs movies. They both have their merits and can be enjoyed once you realize that aside from having the same name, the same zombie premise, and a few of the same character names, they are completely different and in no way alike one another."
Would you agree?

[Kyela684]

Autodoll wrote...
Add me to the list of players who didn't kill Anders, and it's pleasure to meet you. 
I've actually never wanted to kill any of the mage companions in DA. Wynne was a little preachy and sanctimonious, and I killed her in my "OMGChantry!" mage playthrough, but not any other time. I liked Finn, despite his squeamishness, Morrigan was like my Warden's bff (and every male I made was with her romantically), Sketch was adorable. Jowan... was kind of a moron for getting involved with an initiate, but I can't help but feel bad for him (again, I've only betrayed him in my loyalist mage profile). And even though I hated Velanna at first, she grew on my and I grew to respect her character. Anders has been a favourite of mine since his reveal for Awakening. Although, Irving did irk me. A lot. Other than that, I like the mages we've been presented in Origins.
Even in DA2; although Bethany annoys me (mostly because my siblings are more like Carver, the creepy perfect sister is not what I'm used to), and Merrill is like an adorable little hamster; painfully naive, but my Hawke can't help but want to protect her little replacement-sister (I play as a mage), even though she's dangerous. I understand if these characters annoy you, I can see how they would considering how many of them betray you in the face so often, but... No, I didn't want to stab every mage. Whiney nobles and bigoted priests? Where be mah murder knife??? 
Edit: Smiley emoticons! 

The whole point was, "why is there no 'fun' mage?" There isn't a mage out there that you can geniunely like. As you said, Merril is adorable and having her follow you around leads to interesting conversations with other party members, but she's like an atomic kitten, you never know when it's gonna hit the fan.
Anders goes psychotic, Wynne does get on your nerves, Morrigan has that nasty habit of voicing her opinion at the exact WRONG moment, Bethany is just creepy, (ANYBODY that nice & understanding is hiding something), Irving and Orsino both just seemed dejected and run-down, (they have every right to be, but still). I agree Jowan was misguided, Sketch was too afraid of his own shadow, and Finn needed a good dirt bath, but other than that, he was okay.
And then you look at the rest of the characters in the world and there's somebody out there for everybody. Zevran, Varric and Isabela are definately the "good times" folk, Sten and Fenris are single-minded battering rams, Alistair for people who enjoy lost puppies, the list goes on. Yes, I'm sure there are people out there that didn't like this one or that one, but the point is there were people designed for you to like them. I truly don't think any mage was. Just wondering why.

[Shacary]

adding to an early post i read by Kylea, I agree the Magevs templar debate being mutant men like. I also noticed thru out da2 mages were randomly disappearring for days, or free to meet ANders at the chantry etc etc.. I mean seems like there was a lot of laxity compared to DAO when my poor lil mage couldnt even step outside to smell the fresh air...
and everytime i spared ONE mage they were bonkers [ grace comes to mind].. I mean my first play thru I was shocked, disgusted and emotionally tired over saving the mage campaign. I wanted to slaughter them all.> I didnt cuz i thought the game wanted us to do the pro -mage thing... But when Im not playing a mage they all die.
sorry I killed Anders in all my pt;s. He was so different and alien from the fun loving dude in awakening, i didnt think the personality was even close to similar ,. He used to be cool, but he came off as a despert/fantaical junkie needing a fix. I cant help it, even in the fantasy realm that character assasinated any good feelings I had for him. As a healer I would have thought mb he would realize Violence begets Violence.... o well its all game lol. i respect other peeps choices and enjoy reading about them too.