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[GreenDragon37]

Because people want a reason to complain. <_<

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[R3MUS]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Mr0TYuH wrote...

The problem with assuming the Human-Reaper had no purpose in regards to the Reapers' return is that Harbinger says something like, "You have accomplished nothing, we will find another way." This implies that the Human-Reaper, or at least the Collectors, were an essential part of Reaper Return Plan B or C or whatever.

Actually i would think that it ment exacly what Harbinger said "You have accomplished nothing, we will find another way."

At least it seems that the Collectors have no part in the overall plan other than being factory workers and and running around kidnapping people and looking for candidates for reaperhood ( i think the reapers always had such servants evaluating the next harvest) - At least that what it seems to me at this point, But this is the big problem with ME 2 it doesn't really tell us anything about the reaper-larvae.

I think it is a good point that the Reapers were stationed just outside the galaxy and not 1.00000000000000000 miles away. Just stay off the radar and still being near the galaxy's edge. That makes sense.

What doesnt make sense is WHY do/construct a human-reaper IF NOT for trying to activate the Citadel and do another push? One last try?

And Harbinger actually says "Human, you have CHANGED NOTHING. Your species have the attention of those infinitly your greater.".

[Elite Midget]

Remember the ME2 ending? I'm sure some of you have'nt seen it in a while but it ended like this.

The Reapers boosting towards the Universe. No relays or anything were shown. Just them turning on, after failing again, and boosting towards the Universe very slowly.

Arrival means that they had no reason to do that if they have yet another easy backdoor to the Universe.

[GreenDragon37]

Elite Midget wrote...

Remember the ME2 ending? I'm sure some of you have'nt seen it in a while but it ended like this.

The Reapers boosting towards the Universe. No relays or anything were shown. Just them turning on, after failing again, and boosting towards the Universe very slowly.

Arrival means that they had no reason to do that if they have yet another easy backdoor to the Universe.

*sigh* It wasn't a "back door" per-se. The Alpha Relay is at the edge of our galaxy; it is in our galaxy. They still had to fly here, an inconvenience. The Alpha Relay is a back-up plan, but it's no-where near as good as using the CItadel. This is in no way a retcon.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:29 .

[Elite Midget]

A Back-Up plan that wasen't started up in the 2 years that Shepard was dead? Or the fact that no ME Media makes mention of it or that the ending didn't even hint at it?

Oh, I know what's that's called!

[Bamboozalist]

R3MUS wrote...

And Harbinger actually says "Human, you have CHANGED NOTHING. Your species have the attention of those infinitly your greater.".

That could mean that the Reapers are still going to harvest the humans and now they're going to harvest them first.

[GreenDragon37]

Elite Midget wrote...

A Back-Up plan that wasen't started up in the 2 years that Shepard was dead? Or the fact that no ME Media makes mention of it or that the ending didn't even hint at it?

Oh, I know what's that's called!

How would the ME media hint at a relay that was in Batarian Space? The Batarians are no friends of the Council species, and the codex states that the Hegemony wanted to keep news of the Alpha Relay quiet. The Batarians, a rogue state, has a relay that can teleport to all other relays instead of using point-to-point? Yeah... we'll tell the whole galaxy about this!

You're over thinking it.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[kaotician]

What's the problem here? Who says the back-up plan wasn't initiated the moment Sovereign fell at the Citadel? The fact we only see them moving at the end of ME2 is simply a dramatic point for the story, no more than that, to tell us the audience that they are coming - and in the context of the tale, that they were ALWAYS coming.

[GreenDragon37]

kaotician wrote...

What's the problem here? Who says the back-up plan wasn't initiated the moment Sovereign fell at the Citadel? The fact we only see them moving at the end of ME2 is simply a dramatic point for the story, no more than that, to tell us the audience that they are coming - and in the context of the tale, that they were ALWAYS coming.

If only more people thought like you instead of pointing out plot-holes that don't exist.

[Elite Midget]

You know what I mean by Media.

Games, Cerberus News, Comics, Novels, or even hints by Bioware themselvse. None of these sources of information ever hinted at this. All in all it sounds like a weak retcon made to try and appease the hardcore that demand special treatment for their favorite killables they want to return.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

I think the ending of Arrival HELPS ME2's ending, especially if you play it as a leadin to the suicide mission (just before going into the relay, after abduction)  The conversation with the general is kinda cool in that it lets you get a good look at the jerk and it makes the collector thing "a little more personal", and also it just feels like a good narrative arc INTO the final cutscene of ME2.  (arrival is about stopping the relay before the reapers arrive, then you head into the omega 4 relay, do that mission, and then joker gives you the reaper intel as you stare into space with the shot of the reapers "arriving" ending the game

Well, since the shot of the Reapers "arriving" shows them very pointedly OUTSIDE the galaxy, it's kind of hard to reconcile that with the "WE HAVE JUST MINUTES UNTIL THEY GET HERE DESTROY THAT RELAY NAO" thing...

[Elite Midget]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
If only more people thought like you instead of pointing out plot-holes that don't exist.

It's a plot hole because it was never even hinted at in any of the ME Medias. Not even in the games was it even hinted they had another backdoor plan made or the fact that Arrival makes the ME2 ending irrelevant. The fact that you'll take this obvious plot hole shows that you lack any respect in Bioware to keep their stuff together.

[GreenDragon37]

Elite Midget wrote...

You know what I mean by Media.

Games, Cerberus News, Comics, Novels, or even hints by Bioware themselvse. None of these sources of information ever hinted at this. All in all it sounds like a weak retcon made to try and appease the hardcore that demand special treatment for their favorite killables they want to return.

Hell, by your logic they should just spoil the ending of ME3 for us!

There's a thing called a surprise, dude. And we always knew the Reapers were coming.

[Anacronian Stryx]

R3MUS wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Mr0TYuH wrote...

The problem with assuming the Human-Reaper had no purpose in regards to the Reapers' return is that Harbinger says something like, "You have accomplished nothing, we will find another way." This implies that the Human-Reaper, or at least the Collectors, were an essential part of Reaper Return Plan B or C or whatever.

Actually i would think that it ment exacly what Harbinger said "You have accomplished nothing, we will find another way."

At least it seems that the Collectors have no part in the overall plan other than being factory workers and and running around kidnapping people and looking for candidates for reaperhood ( i think the reapers always had such servants evaluating the next harvest) - At least that what it seems to me at this point, But this is the big problem with ME 2 it doesn't really tell us anything about the reaper-larvae.

I think it is a good point that the Reapers were stationed just outside the galaxy and not 1.00000000000000000 miles away. Just stay off the radar and still being near the galaxy's edge. That makes sense.

What doesnt make sense is WHY do/construct a human-reaper IF NOT for trying to activate the Citadel and do another push? One last try?

This is the thing, ME2 gives us absolutely no clue as to what the reaper-larvae was meant for, But if i had to speculate then this is how i see it, Though not knowing anything about reaper construction but it doesn't seem to me that the reaper-larvae was anything near completion and with the reapers already at the galaxy's edge i would think that the larvae wouldn't be ready in time to help with any conquering of the galaxy, So my guess would be that it was probably meant as a replacement for Sovereign in the sense that it was a new Vanguard meant to overlook the galaxy after the reaper fleet has left again.

But then again we have no way of knowing because ME 2 tells us so very little.

[Bamboozalist]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

I think the ending of Arrival HELPS ME2's ending, especially if you play it as a leadin to the suicide mission (just before going into the relay, after abduction)  The conversation with the general is kinda cool in that it lets you get a good look at the jerk and it makes the collector thing "a little more personal", and also it just feels like a good narrative arc INTO the final cutscene of ME2.  (arrival is about stopping the relay before the reapers arrive, then you head into the omega 4 relay, do that mission, and then joker gives you the reaper intel as you stare into space with the shot of the reapers "arriving" ending the game

Well, since the shot of the Reapers "arriving" shows them very pointedly OUTSIDE the galaxy, it's kind of hard to reconcile that with the "WE HAVE JUST MINUTES UNTIL THEY GET HERE DESTROY THAT RELAY NAO" thing...

FTL in ME is something like 4000+ times the speed of light, it's not that implausible.

[Nathan Redgrave]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

has a relay that can teleport to all other relays instead of using point-to-point?

Uh, what? I was under the impression that it was simply the closest relay to dark space and that reaching that relay would grant them access to the larger relay network, i.e. granting them access to whatever parts of space they want to get to in the same way any other spacefarer would have that access.

[GreenDragon37]

Elite Midget wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...
If only more people thought like you instead of pointing out plot-holes that don't exist.

It's a plot hole because it was never even hinted at in any of the ME Medias. Not even in the games was it even hinted they had another backdoor plan made or the fact that Arrival makes the ME2 ending irrelevant. The fact that you'll take this obvious plot hole shows that you lack any respect in Bioware to keep their stuff together.

Again, why spoil it for people before they get a chance to enjoy figuring out how they do it? People always knew the Reapers were coming, even without the Citadel. How though, was left up in the air.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Bamboozalist wrote...

FTL in ME is something like 4000+ times the speed of light, it's not that implausible.

Well, that would certainly give them time to back the hell up in time for the endgame jump-cuts, but that doesn't really make sense from a practical standpoint.

[ZetaSheperd]

It would have been so much less trouble to hack the alpha relay to loop into itself so they would get stuck into an infinite loop and/or crash into each other. Would have saved a lot of mental masturbation over here.

Ok im getting off topic, don't take me seriously. Login out.

[GreenDragon37]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

has a relay that can teleport to all other relays instead of using point-to-point?

Uh, what? I was under the impression that it was simply the closest relay to dark space and that reaching that relay would grant them access to the larger relay network, i.e. granting them access to whatever parts of space they want to get to in the same way any other spacefarer would have that access.

This was from the wiki:

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Alpha_Relay

"Outwardly the Alpha Relay appears to be a standard mass relay, differing
little, if at all, from the rest of the mass relays scattered
throughout the galaxy. However, it is unusual in its potential range and
versatility. Alpha usually sends and receives mass at the range of a
normal secondary relay, but if certain controls are adjusted, it becomes
powered by an unprecedented amount of dark energy that could send cargo
to sixteen other relays and even across a great distance to the Citadel. The Batarian Hegemony
has long been aware of Alpha's capabilities, but has covered them up to
avoid retaliation by other races who would view the relay as a direct
threat to their territories."

Read the underlined part.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:51 .

[GreenDragon37]

mrsph wrote...

The codex says it is one of the older relays.

But the codex can also be unreliable since most of it is written in-universe.

Dude, I just accept the story and go along with it. I'm not gonna go around pointing out plot holes, especially when is something this trivial. Too much of a hassle/not worth it.

If the writer says so, it's true. They can make up whatever they want, but it's their universe. Whatever they say, goes.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 08:52 .

[kaotician]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

has a relay that can teleport to all other relays instead of using point-to-point?

Uh, what? I was under the impression that it was simply the closest relay to dark space and that reaching that relay would grant them access to the larger relay network, i.e. granting them access to whatever parts of space they want to get to in the same way any other spacefarer would have that access.

No, if you take a look at the Codex for The Arrival, you'll see that the relay is unusual in that it offers 16 simultaneous points of egress to various other relays around the galaxy, when it's charged up. It's another Hub, like the Citadel one, disguised.

[GuardianAngel470]

Elite Midget wrote...

You know what I mean by Media.

Games, Cerberus News, Comics, Novels, or even hints by Bioware themselvse. None of these sources of information ever hinted at this. All in all it sounds like a weak retcon made to try and appease the hardcore that demand special treatment for their favorite killables they want to return.

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Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 01 avril 2011 - 08:56 .