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[lorvincent]

I personally believe Old Gods are ancient high dragons of immense power.  Why do I think that?

BECAUSE I BELIEVE DRAGONS ARE SENTIENT

Codex Entry: Old Gods
*All important parts are bolded and underlined.  Read them.*

There were seven Old Gods, great winged dragons that were said to rule over the ancient world. The Chantry
maintains that they are responsible for the original sin, that they
turned humanity away from its true creator through deceit. Humanity's
faith faltered, and thus the Maker turned away from the world--but not before trapping the Old Gods in eternal prisons beneath the earth as punishment.

Scholars
assume that the Old Gods must indeed have been real at one point, but
most agree that they were likely actual dragons--ancient high dragons of
a magnitude not known today, and impressive enough to frighten ancient
peoples into worshipping them. Some even claim that these dragons
slumber as a form of hibernation, not as a result of the Maker's wrath.

Regardless
of the truth, legend maintains that even from their underground
prisons, the Old Gods were able to whisper into the minds of men. The Archon Thalsian, first of the Magisters, who claimed to have contacted the Old God Dumat, used the blood magic Dumat taught to him to attain incredible power in Tevinter
and declare himself the ruler of an Empire. In return, he established
the first temples worshipping the Old Gods, and the dragons became
equated everywhere with imperial power.

To date, four of the Old
Gods are said to have risen as corrupted archdemons: Dumat, the first
and most powerful, was slain at the Battle of Silent Fields. Zazikel
fell at the Battle of Starkhaven, Toth died at the Battle of Hunter
Fell, and Andoral was felled by Garahel, the legendary Grey Warden, at
the Battle of Ayesleigh. The archdemons have been identified only after
years of argument among scholars, and to this day it is unclear whether
the archdemons were truly Old Gods and not simply dragons. All that is
known is that the darkspawn hunt for them deep underground. If they are
truly the Old Gods, as many scholars believe, then we have only three Blights
remaining. When all the Old Gods have risen and been slain, however,
what will happen? Will the Blights end forever, and humanity earn
forgiveness from the Maker at last? We shall see.

--From The Old Gods Rise Again by Sister Mary, Chantry scholar, 8:50 Blessed.

Now many moments in the game describe blood magic as a "demonic art"; however, a close friend of mine pointed out that many mages turned to demons and became maleficars regardless of knowing blood magic or not.  Also, any human, even a templar, can be turned into an abomination when given the right temptation.  The requirement for a demon to interact with the real world is a connection to the fade, which all mages have. Given this, it becomes apparent that all mages are open to temptation, and also, can expose others to that same temptation.

This means that blood magic is not innately linked to demons, and has been treated as such by the chantry for another reason... what reason could that be?  One theory can be that blood magic is too powerful to be trusted in the hands of a human.  The classic "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely" motif; however, if you  disregard the immense power of blood magic, it is still frowned upon.  This has to do with how humanity was first introduced to blood magic.  Supposedly, it was taught to the first Archon of the Tevinter Imperium by Dumat through whispers (magic telepathy).  The chantry, and many scholars, believes the Old Gods taught the art of blood magic to humanity.  That is why blood magic is a sin.

This idea that the Old Gods imparted blood magic unto humanity only furthers my belief that dragons are intelligent, and Old Gods are, in fact, dragons.  Let us look at select quotes from another codex...

Codex Entry: Dragon Cults

Members of a dragon cult live in the same lair as a high dragon,
nurturing and protecting its defenseless young. In exchange, the high
dragon seem to permit those cultists to kill a small number of those
young in order to feast on draconic blood. That blood is said to have a
number of strange long-term effects, including bestowing greater
strength and endurance, as well as an increased desire to kill.

The changes in the cultists are a form of blood magic, surely, but how
did the symbiotic relationship between the cult and the high dragon form
in the first place? How did the cultists know to drink the dragon's
blood? How did the high dragon convince them to care for its young, or
know that they would?

Codex Entry: Dragon Cults (continued)

Is there more to draconic intelligence than we have heretofore
guessed at? No member of a dragon cult has ever been taken alive, and
what accounts exist from the days of the Nevarran hunters record only
mad rants and impossible tales of godhood. With dragons only recently
reappearing and still incredibly rare, we may never know the truth, but
the question remains.

--From Flame and Scale, by Brother Florian, Chantry scholar, 9:28 Dragon.

The best example is actually the dragon cult in DA:O.  The Cult of Andraste lived to guard the Sacred Ashes that were brought to the ruins above the town.  The town was established to guard them, yet sometime in the Dragon Age, following the return of dragons to Thedas that began during the Blessed Age, a dragon came to them.  This dragon set up shop in the ruins above their town, and rather than protecting its land by, I don't know, doing the dragon-thing and laying waste to the village, something else happened...

They worked with it.  The villagers drank the dragon's blood and drew power from it.  They defended the dragon's young and claimed it was Andraste.  This belief that the dragon was Andraste matches with the "mad rants and impossible tales of godhood".  Why are dragons always connected to godhood in Dragon Age?  By now, it should be obvious.  The false andraste dragon supposedly "spoke" to only one member of the cult directly: Father Kolgrim, who clearly held a horn which could summon down the dragon from atop the highcliffs.  Given Kolgrim's possession of this horn, we can assume he did, in fact, meet the dragon face-to-face.  Perhaps previous revered fathers met the dragon in the same way, as we do not know how many generations have believed this dragon was Andraste.

Also, we know that Archdemons "whisper" to their darkspawn.  This has accounted for the "calling", as the wardens call it.  Given the ability of wardens, along with anything else infected with the darkspawn taint, to hear this "calling", we can assume that only those infected with the taint can pick up on it.  Avernus, the blood mage in Warden's Keep DLC, discovers how to use the taint to produce strong magical spells and energies, that seem to immitate blood magic, while being something of a completely different nature.  Given how the taint seems to connect darkspawn to the archdemon, I propose that the blood of a dragon can do the same to its cult members without the "zombification" that is caused by the taint.  Instead, it seems to strengthen them, even if it drives these cult members slightly insane.

If it looks like a dragon, acts like a dragon, (speaks like a dragon)
I guess its a dragon. Well f!*& me, and I was wondering why the game was called "Dragon Age"

Here is a link to the original topic where this idea was discussed in even further detail:
http://social.biowar...index/5740722/1

Modifié par lorvincent, 31 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[GSSAGE7]

So in other words, it's a good thing we couldn't get Kolgrim and his pet Dragon to fight in the Battle of Denerim, so we didn't end up with another archdemon?

[lorvincent]

Well thats assuming the dragon got infected... maybe you can convince it to take the Joining?

I don't know how draconic behaviours would work in Dragon Age. Given that most dragons were killed off, and they seem to like isolation, one can assume dragons don't tend to work in unison or share specific ideals. This would set the seven Old Gods apart, as they functioned as a unit. Whether that andraste/dragon saw the archdemon as a threat or not, or cared at all, we don't know.

Modifié par lorvincent, 31 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[PantheraOnca]

The reports of dragon cults seem to blow the idea that dragons are non-intelligent out of the water. I kept the frostback dragon alive on my imported playthrough since i think the creature that named the age should get a little leeway. I did kill kolgrin and his folks though.

[Blacklash93]

Dragon Cults don't necessarily point toward dragons' sentience, but they definitely indicate an intelligent intiative on in the forming of these cults on their part.

How could one approach a High Dragon outside of a rampage without being torn apart by drakes first in her lair? Who would walk right into a dragon's lair? Why approach something so dangerous? Who would drink a dragon's blood? How would they know? How would the cutlists know that the dragon would tolerate the killing of its young to feast on their blood? How did the dragon convince the cultists to take care of its young? Why would the cultists want to and how would they know that's what the dragon wants?

Dragon cults are too numerous and similar in nature for these to be simple coincidences of mad, misplaced worship.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 31 mars 2011 - 09:31 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Well, one would think that Darkspawn Chronicles at least establishes the sentience of the archdemons. The question is whether or not one believes that the Old Gods were high dragons.

[Blacklash93]

Just to note, Gaider did comment on the relationship between normal dragons and the old gods once. The comment is ancient history and was destroyed with DAcentral.

He said something along the lines of - connected circles moving outward, with the old gods at the center.

Well, one would think that Darkspawn Chronicles at least establishes the sentience of the archdemons. The question is whether or not one believes that the Old Gods were high dragons.

The old gods are special, though. Not something you could generalize high dragons on by any means.

And I do believe they are dragons. There's no reason for them to take another form other than their true one. Dragons should be dragons.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 31 mars 2011 - 03:39 .

[AlexXIV]

If you look at humans, there are older and younger, and more powerful ones and less powerful ones. And add magic to it so it is not so hard to assume that the Old Gods could just have been very old and powerful dragons. Even the meaning 'god' can differ from culture to culture. Gods are not always all powerful or immortal. It just depends on what people perceive as godly or divine.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 31 mars 2011 - 03:41 .

[lorvincent]

I do think another key point to bring up is how the Old Gods were already claiming godhood prior to their emprisonment beneath the earth, according to the chantry. This suggests that the Old Gods predate the Tevinter Imperium. Given that dragon cults existed in lands copletely unaware of the Old Gods, it is easy to suggest that the Old Gods had their own dragon cults prior to emprisonment, and upon this emprisonment, they broke into the fade into the minds of man and began the largest dragon cult to date: the Tevinter Imperium.

[Talladarr]

Yuo make a VERY compelling argument, and I can't say Idon't agree.

[lorvincent]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Just to note, Gaider did comment on the relationship between normal dragons and the old gods once. The comment is ancient history and was destroyed with DAcentral.

He said something along the lines of - connected circles moving outward, with the old gods at the center.
.

Found it

David Gaider wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...
I
wasn't looking for a certain answer about the Maker. I like that the
developers left something up in the air, without explaining everything
with tons of exposition. I am more interested in the relationship
between these three systems of belief (Chantry, Tevinter, Elves) and how
they include/exclude each other.

The cult of the Old Gods (I
don't call it "the Tevinter religion" mainly because that, to me,
speaks of the Imperial Chantry -- which is based in today's Tevinter
Imperium) didn't contradict the existence of the Maker. Quite the
opposite. The people of ancient Tevinter were aware of the existence of
the Golden City and ascribed to "the Maker" (though this Creator was not
called this until the appearance of the Chantry) the creation of the
world. The Old Gods were not creators, though they were supposedly also
not created. The Old Gods were outside of the Creator's Plan and showed
up to whisper to mankind and teach them magic. According to the Chantry,
they turned mankind away from their regard for a remote Creator (who
ruled remotely and never interacted with his own creations) and that
this is what made the Creator abandon the Golden City... though there is
argument that the cult believed the Creator had abandoned it long
before and that they were adrift, rescued by the Old Gods. Modern sages
say that this is attempt to explain the hardships that the early human
civilizations faced, and not evidence of the Maker actually being
absent.

So when Andraste showed up much, much later, she was advocating a return to the "rightful" worship of the Maker... it was not a belief that came out of nowhere.

As
for the elves, their understanding of their own religion is incomplete.
The whole truth was lost along with Arlathan and their immortality --
much of their lore was kept by a tradition of apprenticeship, handed
down from the knowledgeable to the young, and this relied on the fact
that the knowledgeable were eternal. Slaves also had less opportunity to
spread their lore, so the sudden aging of the knowledgeable meant that
much of this information was simply gone after several generations.
This, of course, is their belief: the ancient Imperium maintained that
the elves were never immortal to begin with, and that their lore was
lost simply because the Imperium forbade its teaching.

Even so, the ancient elves did write
things down, and so some scraps have been recovered. Thus the Dalish
have slowly reassembled a religion from those pieces of lore, though how
complete it is cannot be known. Even so, a few things are factual. For
one, the original elven religion predates the cult of the Old Gods by a
long time. Could the Old Gods have been based on the elven gods?
Possibly, but there's nothing to suggest the elven gods were ever
dragons, and certainly the contempt the Imperium held for elven culture
makes it unlikely that they would think elven gods were worth
worshipping. Consider also that it was the Old Gods that taught humanity
its magic and encouraged them to destroy Arlathan -- why would elven
gods do this? One could point to the Forgotten Ones (look at the codex
entry on Fen'Harel for their mention) and suggest that they had reason
for vengeance, though that would probably be against Fen'Harel and their
good brethren and not against the elven people themselves, no? Still,
all of that depends on how much of the knowledge given by Dalish tales
is complete.

In terms of the elven religion's view of the Maker
(or lack thereof), it might be interesting to point out that the elven
creation myth doesn't stem from their gods. According to Dalish
understanding, Elgar'nan and Mythal, the Father and the Mother, did not
create the world. They were born of the world. The world was
always there, and while it doesn't indicate the presence of a single
creator that made the world it also doesn't necessarily contradict it.

The
modern Chantry, however, does say that all these other gods are false.
It doesn't say they never existed (though the elven legends are
dismissed as just that, for the most part, but that's a carry-over of
Imperial belief), but merely suggests that the Maker was long ago
forgotten and that He is the only god that is worthy of true worship.
The fact that His creations turned away from Him is shameful, and it is
only by proving our worth to Him once again that the world will become
the paradise He intended.

All of this is, of course, open to
interpretation. That's part of the point of faith, if you ask me. Were
some god to appear on earth and tell everyone How It Really Is that
would destroy the very idea of faith -- though at that point one would
have to ask: is such a being really a god? What is a god? What ideas are really worth worship? To me, that's the notion that's worth exploring. Beyond that, all conjecture is welcome. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

Okay, what I can gather from this is the following:

The maker DID, in fact, exist, given how gaider has chosen to refer to this creator.  Also, we can see that the elven myth does not contradict it. 

We also see that the elven pantheon were "of the earth" which suggests they were extremely powerful spirits that possibly inhabited unique natural occurances or environments, much like Witherfang in DA:O, but possibly to a greater degree.

Gaider's post seems to support the theory that Old Gods were dragons, but also suggests another interesting point: that dragons themselves were not the product of the Maker's design.

Given this, what exactly is a dragon?  While the sentience of a dragon may remain up to interpretation, they are still fairly intelligent.  After reading this post, I do have to question their sentience, but I still think they are.

If the Old Gods were not created by the Maker, and if they were, in fact, the FIRST of their kind, the original dragons, then we can assume that all dragons that came after were born of the Old Gods.  This would support the possible reasons of putting Old Gods to slumber.  They were immensely powerful and populating the world with a creature that could cause a mass extinction of all other races.  This would directly counter the Maker's own designs.

So what is an Old God?  it has become clear, from Gaider's post, that prior to the Tevinter Imperium, humanity did not know ANY magic.  Given this fact, the Old Gods introduced more than just blood magic to humanity.  Yet the elves already knew of magic, as they had been taught by their pantheon.  And since the elven pantheon is made of spirits, it makes sense they would know magic as spirits reside in the fade, and the chantry's own codex on "the first children of the maker" supports this.

As far as I can see, the Old Gods were the first dragons, and were beings that were never created by the Maker.  They stood apart, and gave birth to the race of dragons, created in their image, but never equaling them, for this race was (maybe) not sentient.  What I wonder is how the Old Gods knew of the fade in such detail... beyond being primordial dragons, there isn't much else known about them.


If I remember correctly, the forgotten ones codex only named 3 of them, but Gaider seems to resuggest the idea that the forgotten ones are dragons.  If that is true, that means that Fen Harel is a unique character... able to walk between the two groups?  To do that, Fen Harel would need to somehow relate to both dragons and spirits...

I believe someone once mentioned something about a dragon-abomination theory for Flemeth...

Modifié par lorvincent, 31 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[Sagar DKar]

I too believe that the Old Gods are dragons.  So much in fact that I wrote a fanfic that used Drake Falls, the place where dragons go to die (or let the cold take them).  My theory was that in rare instances some high dragons don't slumber, they change into Superior Dragons (Old Gods).  So I do agree they are the same.

[stormrain]

lorvincent wrote...
If I remember correctly, the forgotten ones codex only named 3 of them, but Gaider seems to resuggest the idea that the forgotten ones are dragons.  If that is true, that means that Fen Harel is a unique character... able to walk between the two groups?  To do that, Fen Harel would need to somehow relate to both dragons and spirits...

I believe someone once mentioned something about a dragon-abomination theory for Flemeth...

I'll have to go digging for that particular thread, but I think it can be safely said that Flemeth is definately somehow related to the Old Gods, The Maker, and the elven gods. My personal theory is that she is Fen'Harel, though others believe the Maker to fill that role, and still more theories apply Flemeth to be Razikale or another Old God.

This is what makes lore fun. There's so much we don't know.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 31 mars 2011 - 04:17 .

[Blacklash93]

@lorvincenet

That's not the quote I was looking for. It was on the old forums and is gone forever. You'll just have to take my word for it.

On another note, how did the old gods teach humanity magic in the ancient world? Isn't magic something you're born with?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 31 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[DJ0000]

Perhaps they were Dragons possesed by demons although that makes no sense in the context of what David Gaider said.

Perhaps they were created by Thedas' equivilent of the devil, perhaps an extremely powerful demon. Much like Christians belive that Lucifer was once an angel and corrupted a human to spite God by creating the first demon(something like that anyway).

Perhaps one of the makers first children created the Old Gods out of jealousy at humanity.

As for how they gave humanity magic, mabey no one was originally connected to the Fade and the Old Gods gave them that connection.

[noxsachi]

Blacklash93 wrote...

@lorvincenet

That's not the quote I was looking for. It was on the old forums and is gone forever. You'll just have to take my word for it.

On another note, how did the old gods teach humanity magic in the ancient world? Isn't magic something you're born with?

Well in Sebastian's Act II companion quest you confront the elder Harriman woman and she uses magic although her daughter says that their line has never carried magic in it, and given her age I doubt she remained an apostate while acting as nobility. So in that case its pretty clear that the demon granted her blood magic. I could see the old gods doing something similar, although if true it wouldn't really explain how Dalish view blood magic, since it that case it would be the magic of their worst and oldest enemies.

[GSSAGE7]

noxsachi wrote...

Well in Sebastian's Act II companion quest you confront the elder Harriman woman and she uses magic although her daughter says that their line has never carried magic in it, and given her age I doubt she remained an apostate while acting as nobility. So in that case its pretty clear that the demon granted her blood magic. I could see the old gods doing something similar, although if true it wouldn't really explain how Dalish view blood magic, since it that case it would be the magic of their worst and oldest enemies.

Who can say that blood magic wasn't used by ancient elves as well, but a different kind, or different spells? Compare Merril's Dalish Pariah spells with those in a Mage Hawke's Blood Magic tree.

[Curlain]

The strange thing about Old Gods/Archdemons is that they are seen in the lore as male (including Urthemiel) are referred to as 'he', yet High Dragons can only be female. So it's interesting to wonder if that means they are actually dragons or something else in the form of a High Dragon

[Bayz]

PantheraOnca wrote...

The reports of dragon cults seem to blow the idea that dragons are non-intelligent out of the water. I kept the frostback dragon alive on my imported playthrough since i think the creature that named the age should get a little leeway. I did kill kolgrin and his folks though.

You know there used to be cults to certain animals in our own world don't you? The stuff doesn't need to be sentinent to be worshipped by man, we only need not to understand it properly and have it being powerful to our eyes...we are like that generally speaking. There have been even cults to Threes...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Dragon cults are too numerous and similar in nature for
these to be simple coincidences of mad, misplaced worship.

How many Dragon cults have you seen? And anyway I will just point out that first, Tevinter (ancient old Empire) worshipped Dragons before so there was a widespread previous organized religion to ponder when those cults started (also just pointing out the Dragon Cult you find has a Male Divine just like the Tevinter Empire...)

[noxsachi]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

noxsachi wrote...

Well in Sebastian's Act II companion quest you confront the elder Harriman woman and she uses magic although her daughter says that their line has never carried magic in it, and given her age I doubt she remained an apostate while acting as nobility. So in that case its pretty clear that the demon granted her blood magic. I could see the old gods doing something similar, although if true it wouldn't really explain how Dalish view blood magic, since it that case it would be the magic of their worst and oldest enemies.

Who can say that blood magic wasn't used by ancient elves as well, but a different kind, or different spells? Compare Merril's Dalish Pariah spells with those in a Mage Hawke's Blood Magic tree.

I didn't really notice a difference. I mean she only had one blood mage spell that seemed identical to Hemorage. The rest of her spells were an update to the Keeper tree from Awakening basically.

Modifié par noxsachi, 31 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[PantheraOnca]

Bayz wrote...



You know there used to be cults to certain animals in our own world don't you? The stuff doesn't need to be sentinent to be worshipped by man, we only need not to understand it properly and have it being powerful to our eyes...we are like that generally speaking. There have been even cults to Threes...

Its not THAT there are cults, but the way there are cults. All the dragon cults forming similar relationships with the dragons, learning/being allowed to drink dragon blood points to something more than just "ooh, big shiny animal" cult.

Also, the non-toastiness of cultists speaks volumes. Granted, "tamed" wild animals don't generally attack their handlers, but that would require the elder dragon to have been raised by humans, and i don't see that happening. As far as our experience shows us, dragons don't take kindly to strangers 'round their parts, yet cultists are given an unparellelled amount of freedom.

[Dark-sider77]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

noxsachi wrote...

Well in Sebastian's Act II companion quest you confront the elder Harriman woman and she uses magic although her daughter says that their line has never carried magic in it, and given her age I doubt she remained an apostate while acting as nobility. So in that case its pretty clear that the demon granted her blood magic. I could see the old gods doing something similar, although if true it wouldn't really explain how Dalish view blood magic, since it that case it would be the magic of their worst and oldest enemies.

Who can say that blood magic wasn't used by ancient elves as well, but a different kind, or different spells? Compare Merril's Dalish Pariah spells with those in a Mage Hawke's Blood Magic tree.

I think it is possible that the elves of Arlathan had a powerful magocracy possibly built on blood magic like the Tevinter Imperium. Further, the I think that the elves as a race were never immortal, instead their mages used blood magic to extend their lives. In origins, we meet a few people (who arn't golems) that are older than a few centuries, Off the top of my head Avernus, Zathrian, and Flemeth. Of those three both Avernus and Zathrian have lived so long because of blood magic, so it is a proven and effective method of extending life, especially when one considers that Avernus has overcome both age and the Darkspawn taint by using blood magic.

Modifié par Dark-sider77, 01 avril 2011 - 12:15 .

[Bayz]

No the Dragon we see at least in Haven has definatively not been raised by humans as it is apparently the one who started the Dragon Age. And it doesn't actually seem tamed at all.

Still if the cultist basically provided goods to it like cows to eat etc they might condition it to certain stuff "I play the horn, you come I pinch you for some blood, here is your dinner" (which fridge horror would mean a lot of cultist dying until the dragon starts to realise is better to eat the guy who gives them dinner AFTER eating the cow ).

I don't deny that dragons may be sentinent completely, I'm just saying there is not evidence enough to prove they are yet. We will see in the future.

Dark-sider77 wrote...

I think it is possible that the
elves of Arlathan had a powerful magocracy possibly built on blood magic
like the Tevinter Imperium. Further, the I think that the elves as a
race were never immortal, instead their mages used blood magic to extend
their lives. In origins, we meet a few people (who arn't golems) that
are older than a few centuries, Off the top of my head Avernus,
Zathrian, and Flemeth. Of those three both Avernus and Zathrian have
lived so long because of blood magic, so it is a proven and effective
method of extending life, especially when one considers that Avernus has
overcome both age and the Darkspawn taint by using blood magic.

Gets even worse if you realise that, tales to be believed, all Arlathan Elves were mages...an entire race of probable Bloodmages. Still elves apparently saw demons as any other spirits so...

Modifié par Bayz, 01 avril 2011 - 12:22 .

[Blacklash93]

Bayz wrote...

How many Dragon cults have you seen? And anyway I will just point out that first, Tevinter (ancient old Empire) worshipped Dragons before so there was a widespread previous organized religion to ponder when those cults started (also just pointing out the Dragon Cult you find has a Male Divine just like the Tevinter Empire...)

The codex entries don't seem to refer to dragon cults as especially rare. The dragon hunters definitely seem to have encountered them on occassion. And Dragon Cults have come from places that have no idea what the old gods are and places the Imperium never even touched. There were said to be multiple records of that in the codex entry on the subject.

I realize Man can worship any animal as long as it seems powerful, but how many animals tolerate the killing of their young to let others feast on their blood? How would anyone know to do that? Why would anyone do that? ... Just look at all the questions I posed above.

Like I said, it doesn't necessarily point toward dragon sentience in itself, but any simple group of people wouldn't start this twisted structure on their own. Especially in such similar function.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 avril 2011 - 01:38 .

[PantheraOnca]

Bayz wrote...


Gets even worse if you realise that, tales to be believed, all Arlathan Elves were mages...an entire race of probable Bloodmages. Still elves apparently saw demons as any other spirits so...

If an entire society of blood mages can be toppled, the chantry needs to chill the hell out on the haterade.