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[Boiny Bunny]

Haha, well I guess we can all agree that we cannot know the answer to this question. October Sixth does make a fair point.

But if you think that the majority is 'positive' anymore than 'negative', or vice versa I suppose, you're deluding yourself.

[Addai]

It's too early to say. My gamer friends who aren't on BSN will get the game when it's on discount and I imagine they'll have some complaints but like it overall. There aren't good RPG's coming out every other day, after all.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Every single person who tried the game and did not post a review definately liked it.

Also, every single chicks at school who never explicitely told me they DID NOT want to bang my brains out are, by default, wanting to jump on my ****.

Because the silent majority always goes the way you imagine it does, doesn't it?

Modifié par Mrbananagrabber, 31 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[ExiledMimic]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Before people start crying "NUMBERS!" I'll give a good example:

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2; I'm not a fan personally, but it's a good example as like it or not, it has a huge playerbase.

Since people like to reference metacritic.com, I'll use it in our "research"

On Metacritic.com, only 8181 people have posted reviews. However, Modern Warfare 2 has a collective playerbase of 20 million. The ratio of reviews to players is about 1:2445

So, either each player coincidentally knows 2445 other gamers and their exact feelings on the game and posted a view representing them all accurately or only a minority of players post reviews on forums or review sites of games.

I'm relying on the obvious conclusion.

Either can still be true, though with Modern Warfare and the way it has succeeded, I'd assume it was a hit.  However it's a hit because of sales.  Numbers we have ready access to to say "Hey!  They sold a complete TON of those things!"

I base my belief that DA2 is not a good game not only on my oppinion and the oppinion of the only 3 other people I know who've played it (they hate it too) but because of my job.  I sell video games.  I haven't sold a copy of DA2 in nearly 3 weeks.  One of the local Gamestops I swing through (check the competition ya know) has 2 racks full of used DA2 in their used bin, and just as many new copies.

I'm not the country.  My area is not the entire market.  This could be a fluke of area and I accept that.  But I have no possitive evidence to support this game possitively.  However it doesn't mean I'm raging at Developers or Bioware.  I just see something that's selling really bad and getting smashed left and right.

[monroebradshaw]

i dont understand why people dont like it as much. i personally like the 2nd one more. and i even went ape**** over the first one. they're both great. keep up the good work.

[Mrbananagrabber]

monroebradshaw wrote...

i dont understand why people dont like it as much. i personally like the 2nd one more. and i even went ape**** over the first one. they're both great. keep up the good work.

I'm...really not sure what to add to this.

I'm happy for you? Should I hug you...want a medal or something?

[Heinrich843]

ExiledMimic wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Before people start crying "NUMBERS!" I'll give a good example:

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2; I'm not a fan personally, but it's a good example as like it or not, it has a huge playerbase.

Since people like to reference metacritic.com, I'll use it in our "research"

On Metacritic.com, only 8181 people have posted reviews. However, Modern Warfare 2 has a collective playerbase of 20 million. The ratio of reviews to players is about 1:2445

So, either each player coincidentally knows 2445 other gamers and their exact feelings on the game and posted a view representing them all accurately or only a minority of players post reviews on forums or review sites of games.

I'm relying on the obvious conclusion.

Either can still be true

Agreed.

To Sen4lifE:

It's also important to remember that you've got to put these things in perspective. The sample group should "on average" reflect their group's general opinion. Is Metacritic a well picked sample group that can be accurately used? No, you're right in that. However, they may very well may be close to what a sample group may have said. You never know.

Modifié par Heinrich843, 31 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[ExiledMimic]

Heinrich843 wrote...

To Sen4lifE:

It's also important to remember that you've got to put these things in perspective. The sample group should "on average" reflect their group's general opinion. Is Metacritic a well picked sample group that can be accurately used? No, you're right in that. However, they may very well may be close to what a sample group may have said. You never know.

The only tell is to watch sales both in game volume and DLC.  However because of the entry-level jump DA2 received in much thanks to the dedicated fan base of DAO and from a string of irrate owners, It'd only be fair to say the fight will be settled in 6-ish months.  So by the time ME3 pops out we'll have seen how it was taken and hopefully some strategy goes into ensuring ME3 is as tuned as humanly possible.

However a great majority are starting to show the trend of disliking no-win situations in games.  Something CoD pulled off marvelously.  Problem being the demographic.  The largest complaints to note in DA2 are the story, lack of influence in events, and the no-win situations at several points.  Those seem to ring out the most.  With ME2's last DLC showing a No-win option it's safe to say the latter sentiment is getting a stronger tide in RPG fans, where FPS fans are less attached to the characters and see them as disposeable.

[AlanC9]

I'm a little confused by this:

ExiledMimic wrote...
 The largest complaints to note in DA2 are the story, lack of influence in events, and the no-win situations at several points.  Those seem to ring out the most.  With ME2's last DLC showing a No-win option it's safe to say the latter sentiment is getting a stronger tide in RPG fans, where FPS fans are less attached to the characters and see them as disposeable.

Are you saying that RPG fans can't handle a no-win situation, but FPS fans can?

I'm not saying that's wrong, but it seems kind of insulting to RPG fans.

[Jitter]

 Prove it

[SIx_Foot_Imp]

you make a a fair argument why people who like the game would be less inclined to post on the forums, but this doesn't invalidate the opinions of forum goers or mean they don't represent the general population. Even when voting on the future president of the united states a majority of people dont bother to speak up. now sure maybe the majority of people actually preferred McCain but they had no political problems and just didn't vote. this doesn't mean that obama didn't win the popular vote. we can assume anything about the silent majority but the only things we actually know are the opinions of people who speak up. in any debate the most extreme views tend to take over and this wont change until people take interest and speak up.

Small addendum: This is not a political post. you can replace those names with any two competing political figures and I wouldn't care, the message is the same.

[Dasher1010]

I liked the story and combat but the game was seriously rushed and needed polish.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Well... my tiny circle of useless long time MMORPG friends refuse to get out from their 24/7 grinding habit simply because DA 2 combat isn't flashy enough.

**role eyes**

[AkiKishi]

The thing with the silent majority is the don't care enough to speak out. It's like voting, if only 37% of people voted, the others did not care enough for change.
Fanboys, well they just eat whatever is put in front of them without complaint regardless as well.

Given those factors, Bioware made a huge mistake with DA2.

[rabbitchannel]

tybert7 wrote...
We forums walkers are an elite group, spending so much time diving deeper into the game and news and perhaps our standards are simply.. higher than the flies.  

Hahaha! How pretentious! I quite enjoyed DA2. Right now I give it a 7 but if the bugs were addressed I'd happily give it an 8 or 8.5. I wouldn't give that description for forum users, at least not in general. Sure, once in a while there'll be a discussion with deep, objective, critical analysis but for the most part? Whiny, subjective, selfish, ridiculous reasoning is the status quo. 

DA2 certainly has its glaring faults but I don't want to discuss them on this forum. I've debated ME1, ME2, and DA:O. ME2 so far has had the most enjoyable discussions but everytime I logged on, for every one well put argument, there were 5 idiotic/incredibly subjective ones. So don't get it into your head that the forum is populated by the intellectual few of the Bioware fanbase. A lot of people don't want to get into discussions/analysis anymore simply because the community can be irritating and tiresome.

Modifié par rabbitchannel, 31 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[Alex Kershaw]

Metacritic score: 82

Lowest Bioware RPG ever. /thread

[AkiKishi]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Metacritic score: 82

Lowest Bioware RPG ever. /thread

Can anyone thing of a major IP that got this sort of beating and carried on ?I've been trying to think of one, but coming up blank.

[AkiKishi]

AlanC9 wrote...
Are you saying that RPG fans can't handle a no-win situation, but FPS fans can?

I'm not saying that's wrong, but it seems kind of insulting to RPG fans.

A CRPG is supposed to put you in the "game". Without that sort of ability to dictate personal events, you may as well not be playing one. DA2 does a lot of forcing you to a particular outcome and not in a very subtle way.I never feel responsible for scripted events, but I do feel responsible for events that are my choice (like leaving Redwall, or killing off the elves or werewolves).  

In Killzone2 there is a really stark example where one of your squad goes off the rails and causes someones death. The lead character is pissed, but does whatever the lead character is scripted to do.

[Alex Kershaw]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Metacritic score: 82

Lowest Bioware RPG ever. /thread

Can anyone thing of a major IP that got this sort of beating and carried on ?I've been trying to think of one, but coming up blank.

Ratchet and Clank 1 - 88
Ratchet and Clank 2 - 90
Ratchet and Clank 3 - 91
Ratchet and Clank 4 - 81
Ratchet and Clank 5 -  89
Ratchet and Clank 6 - 87

I didn't include the PSP games... So it is possible to come back from a below-85 score, but it doesn't happen often...

[AkiKishi]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Metacritic score: 82

Lowest Bioware RPG ever. /thread

Can anyone thing of a major IP that got this sort of beating and carried on ?I've been trying to think of one, but coming up blank.

Ratchet and Clank 1 - 88
Ratchet and Clank 2 - 90
Ratchet and Clank 3 - 91
Ratchet and Clank 4 - 81
Ratchet and Clank 5 -  89
Ratchet and Clank 6 - 87

I didn't include the PSP games... So it is possible to come back from a below-85 score, but it doesn't happen often...

Thanks

Any idea how it did sales wise (Number4)?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 31 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[Logun24x7]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

We are obviously arguing completely different things.

I am well aware of the fact that, and agree with you that, the number of players who post reviews OR visit forums is a very small percentage. There is no arguement there.

What I am saying is, of those 2445 players you just listed, how many like the game?

If 70% of people who DO visit forums don't like DA2 - it isn't a great stretch to imagine that 70% of ALL players who play DA2 don't like it - perhaps give or take 5 - 10%.

So - to answer the TC's question:

YES - there is a silent PORTION of people who loved DA2.

NO- there is not a silent MAJORITY of people who loved DA2.  We have no idea what the majority of silent people think and will never know for sure.  The best we can do is take in and accept the opinions of absolutely everybody who is willing to share their opinions.  Doing this, we get mostly negative feedback.

I think your logic is off on this...

It's human nature to want to be heard when one is
displeased with something, and to the contrary those whom are content are quiet
and have no reason to even visit a forum or feel strongly enough one way or the
other to make there voice heard.

So I would say combining the people who posted positively
about the game with the majority of people who remained uncompelled to visit
the forums and make there thoughts heard, I would wager the majority of players
were reasonably pleased with DA2. 

Modifié par Logun24x7, 31 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[nopho]

Logun24x7 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

We are obviously arguing completely different things.

I am well aware of the fact that, and agree with you that, the number of players who post reviews OR visit forums is a very small percentage. There is no arguement there.

What I am saying is, of those 2445 players you just listed, how many like the game?

If 70% of people who DO visit forums don't like DA2 - it isn't a great stretch to imagine that 70% of ALL players who play DA2 don't like it - perhaps give or take 5 - 10%.

So - to answer the TC's question:

YES - there is a silent PORTION of people who loved DA2.

NO- there is not a silent MAJORITY of people who loved DA2.  We have no idea what the majority of silent people think and will never know for sure.  The best we can do is take in and accept the opinions of absolutely everybody who is willing to share their opinions.  Doing this, we get mostly negative feedback.

I think your logic is off on this...

It's human nature to want to be heard when one is
displeased with something, and to the contrary those whom are content are quiet
and have no reason to even visit a forum or feel strongly enough one way or the
other to make there voice heard.

So I would say combining the people who posted positively
about the game with the majority of people who remained uncompelled to visit
the forums and make there thoughts heard, I would wager the majority of players
were reasonably pleased with DA2. 

well i guess your logic is off a bit too. first of, yes i came here to complain. you do not know me but for me it takes a LOT of disappointment to bother to go to a forum just to say the developers how much i do not like what i got. it actually is the first time i did so. (in contrary to times where i talked very good about a game, not at the developers forums but other ones.)

i would argure that plenty of people who didn't like the game just put it away and don't bother with it (or anything with the name dragon age) anymore while fantasy games or rgp's in all usually have a strong base of fans who will go lengths to defend a game. (or movie, see star wars) i guess (just guess i don't play those) that most people are indifferent of the title their newest basketball game has they will buy either the newest or best of both while with DA people want to know about the lore and story.

[FuseBlues]

My wife and I both loved the game - especially the plot which I felt was significantly improved from DA:O. All our friends who played it seemed to really like it too. Is that representative? No. But neither is a forum. They self-select by their nature.

It's just not really worth getting into on the Bioware forum. People here sure are angry, and I, for one, rarely want to get in the firing-line of that.

I liked the game, hope it sells well, and DA3 continues the groundwork set by DA:O and DA2.

But not Awakening - that was rubbish.  <_<

Modifié par FuseBlues, 31 mars 2011 - 11:38 .

[bEVEsthda]

I'm pretty sure of one thing: There's a silent majority who hates where COD has gone down the drain. With MW2 and BO. I hear this everywhere, wherever I put my ear to the ground. They only buy COD for the online multiplayer. So this is just the admittable large group of kids that love to run around the same map, over and over again and kill each other again and again. And the one who scores 95 kills vs 72 apparently thinks he has achieved something in life. This is much the same as CS. It's a competitive sport game. It's the competition that draws the same large minority of gamers. Forget the notion that the COD franchise otherwise does anything right to get sales. COD1 + expansion, and COD:MW1 had some qualities. Rest is poop and pretty much everybody agrees on it. They only buy it for multiplayer sport.

[exskeeny]

It's at time's like this I remember the old saying

"If someone is unhappy they'll tell ten people. If they're happy they'll maybe tell one."

That was rammed down my throat by every single manager at one of my old jobs.

But hey I'm British, we love to complain.