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[Mirage III]

Look at the sales of DA2, all I can say to OP.

Modifié par Mirage III, 31 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Logun24x7]

nopho wrote...

Logun24x7 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

We are obviously arguing completely different things.

I am well aware of the fact that, and agree with you that, the number of players who post reviews OR visit forums is a very small percentage. There is no arguement there.

What I am saying is, of those 2445 players you just listed, how many like the game?

If 70% of people who DO visit forums don't like DA2 - it isn't a great stretch to imagine that 70% of ALL players who play DA2 don't like it - perhaps give or take 5 - 10%.

So - to answer the TC's question:

YES - there is a silent PORTION of people who loved DA2.

NO- there is not a silent MAJORITY of people who loved DA2.  We have no idea what the majority of silent people think and will never know for sure.  The best we can do is take in and accept the opinions of absolutely everybody who is willing to share their opinions.  Doing this, we get mostly negative feedback.

I think your logic is off on this...

It's human nature to want to be heard when one is
displeased with something, and to the contrary those whom are content are quiet
and have no reason to even visit a forum or feel strongly enough one way or the
other to make there voice heard.

So I would say combining the people who posted positively
about the game with the majority of people who remained uncompelled to visit
the forums and make there thoughts heard, I would wager the majority of players
were reasonably pleased with DA2. 

well i guess your logic is off a bit too. first of, yes i came here to complain. you do not know me but for me it takes a LOT of disappointment to bother to go to a forum just to say the developers how much i do not like what i got. it actually is the first time i did so. (in contrary to times where i talked very good about a game, not at the developers forums but other ones.)

i would argure that plenty of people who didn't like the game just put it away and don't bother with it (or anything with the name dragon age) anymore while fantasy games or rgp's in all usually have a strong base of fans who will go lengths to defend a game. (or movie, see star wars) i guess (just guess i don't play those) that most people are indifferent of the title their newest basketball game has they will buy either the newest or best of both while with DA people want to know about the lore and story.

I think you're suporting my argument as much as your're disputing it.....LOL

[Boiny Bunny]

This thread has already gone everywhere that it can.

The conclusion was that it is foolish to assume the people who do not post on forums either like or dislike the game. Psycholgoical arguements can easily be applied in either direction with respect to people who love/hate the game coming to forums - neither are wrong, but we'll never know where the balance lie.

As I said before, the only way we'll really find out what the majority think is the sales figures in about a year.

[Russalka]

There is a silent lot of any opinion, the majority of the playerbase does not come to the forum.

[Tirigon]

Maybe the people who don´t go to forums do so because they threw the game away and are busy continuing WoW now?

[XX55XX]

Sure, I liked the game. The writing is pretty strong here and there. The characters made me laugh. The gameplay wasn't bad.

But it just doesn't compare to the epic that was Origins. Sorry for bursting your bubble.

[Boiny Bunny]

@ Tirigon, just noticed your sig - out of curiousity, why do you regard Legion as a 'girl'?

It is a collection of a few thousands programmes housed in a single robotic shell. I wouldn't have classified it as a 'boy' or a 'girl' - or even an individual.

But I am very curious now!

[SnowHeart1]

I didn't give any of you the conch, so shut the heck up! I have the conch; I have the conch!

*crack*glasses break*blood flows*

The cynic in me would say a silent group, majority or otherwise, is simply waiting to be told what it thinks. Failing that, it's silence signals a willingness to accept that which others force upon them.

In a commercial context, it's different... you have sales numbers upon which judgments can be made. In video games it is more different, in that you can track achievements and data fed by the game to the developers about what the player has accomplished, giving perhaps the best overall indication of whether someone played the game then just put it away after a few hours.

In the end, to the extent Bioware "listens to its fans", those who are silent matter not. On the other hand, Bioware may actually have far more data on those who are silent, "fans" or not, than they will ever share with us and the data may be far more compelling than what a bunch of forumites spew about day after day. We'll see.

[Tirigon]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

@ Tirigon, just noticed your sig - out of curiousity, why do you regard Legion as a 'girl'?

It is a collection of a few thousands programmes housed in a single robotic shell. I wouldn't have classified it as a 'boy' or a 'girl' - or even an individual.

But I am very curious now!

It´s a reminder of things past.... back in the ME2 days, when everyone was going about this guy and that girl should be romanceable, I made fun of it by demanding Legion as Love interest for ME3 and started a group demanding it:
http://social.biowar...oup/2086/#group

[Boiny Bunny]

lol, that's kinda awesome

[ahpuch]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I loved the game, my wife (a "fly") loved the game, my brother (a "fly") played all three classes to finish and actually was the one who convinced me it was better than DA:O in many ways and worse in others...

So yeah, the extremely vocal are actually the minority. And they always are because for every person who thought that Transformers 2 sucked there were 9 people who paid to watch it twice in the theaters. DA2 is no different. For every vocal "hater" there are at least two people who enjoyed the game.

The problem is that BioWare is trying to cater to the extremely vocal group of people (minority) and listening to them. The result is seen in the transition from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2 - Mako vs. Hammerhead. Where obviously there was no clear winner but there was no plans for the Hammerhead until people were screaming for the return of the Mako at the top of their lungs.

first off, yoru huge assumption that the population of people who enjoyed the game is twice the size is just you pulling numbers out of your.

second off, you saying that people are screaming because its not da o shows that you haven't taken the time to actually read some of the well put together complaints against the game. stop stereotyping.

Modifié par ahpuch, 01 avril 2011 - 01:20 .

[ahpuch]

Modifié par ahpuch, 01 avril 2011 - 01:19 .

[Peer of the Empire]

Loved this game. I don't have time to stalk every thread of the haters

As I posted briefly in constructive criticism, there's too many women in charge, although it is partly a matter of practicality as girls would otherwise not have many places in the game world.

I also will not be using the bisexual features at all.

[Boiny Bunny]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Loved this game. I don't have time to stalk every thread of the haters

As I posted briefly in constructive criticism, there's too many women in charge, although it is partly a matter of practicality as girls would otherwise not have many places in the game world.

I also will not be using the bisexual features at all.

Huh?  What's the issue with women being in charge?  You do realise that the society in Thedas is not meant to represent real world modern American/European/Whatever country you live in society, right?

In DA, women are treated completely equally to men, in all fields and careers.

[Peer of the Empire]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Loved this game. I don't have time to stalk every thread of the haters

As I posted briefly in constructive criticism, there's too many women in charge, although it is partly a matter of practicality as girls would otherwise not have many places in the game world.

I also will not be using the bisexual features at all.

Huh?  What's the issue with women being in charge?  You do realise that the society in Thedas is not meant to represent real world modern American/European/Whatever country you live in society, right?

In DA, women are treated completely equally to men, in all fields and careers.

Women can be treated completely equally to men, when they behave as and are physically equal to men.

[Boiny Bunny]

I see...and why do they have to be 'physically' equal to men, when it is quite common for them to be 'mentally' superior?

This is going to devolve into the classic, 'women should be mages/healers', 'men should be warriors/rogues'.

[The Metalion]

I like the game a lot. But, since it isn't perfect, people will want to point out its shortcomings.

Any fool can criticize, complain and condemn. And most do.

[Mantaal]

The Metalion wrote...

I like the game a lot. But, since it isn't perfect, people will want to point out its shortcomings.

Any fool can criticize, complain and condemn. And most do.

Well if i look at a Justin Bieber show... more fools can Cheer and scream in passion about something really bad

[andnico]

I really quite enjoy DA2. I think they really and truly did improve on DAO. Haters gon' hate I guess, and seriously, internet forums are about THE worst barometer for telling what people think. It's just a small vocal, minority, not representative of the whole group.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

I actually really enjoyed it. It wasn't the DA2 sequel I expected nor did it compare to DA:O, but it was a heck alot of fun. I'm currently on my second playthrough with a Rogue who is a crap load of fun to play. As a game, I really liked it. It wasn't perfect or without its bad points but it doesn't deserve all this hate.

[lsumd2011]

Played it. Beat it. Loved it.  In my opinion the game is par with DAO at least, but obviously my opinion isn't the universal one.
 In regards to the OP I think he's right about the silent majority.  I mean look at World of Warcraft.  If you go to that game's forums you'd think the game was the most ungodly horrid thing to ever be put on a shelf, yet the game has upwards of 12 million people playing it.
So yeah, for every person that's has been spamming metacritic's to lower the player review score or that comes here and gone on and on about how god awful the game was (and how Bio has finally jumped the shark, and how they've ruined gaming and how they should all die in a fire, etc,) there's at least two or three that quietly enjoyed it.  
Hell, I'd go so far to say that the bulk of the people that are griping about the game are playing too, if for no other reason than to satisfy some masochistic fetish of theirs to play games they hate just so they can come here and complain about it.  
At any rate OP you are probably right.  As the saying goes, no one loves to hate their hobby more than gamers love to hate their game.  

[Silver]

DA2 isn't perfect, but then: what really is ?
Typically i'm more of a sci-fi fan, so the Mass Effect Games will always be me "first" love, so to speak.
But Dragon Age 2 wasn't bad per se, what annoys me so far are the bugs that keep me from pursuing a specific romance questline (as I don't want to pursue it with hacks through the console).
Apart from that, I like the story and the pacing as it is still delivering a near cinematic experience at times.

Sure, it's nowhere as vast in scale as Origins, and the re-use of dungeons is jarring at best, but overall I can't say that I regret having bought Dragon Age 2 (even though I was really pissed at times that there was no patch to be seen on the horizon soon after I learned about the bugs).

[Suaine]

I think it's pretty brilliant but try saying that in its own thread on the forum and see what happens. I really haven't found the time yet (or the proper venue) to write a review that includes all the things I think are awesome about it. Not that there aren't flaws, but as a sequel and as its own game, I think DA2 is the best game I've played in a long time.

[Irx]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Ever been to the registered game forum?....

Yup, and its not much different.

RussMajere wrote...

I typically do not have time to post on forums, but I find myself posting a crap ton here on the DA2 forums because I am tired of all the haters - especially the haters who do not even have the game and are judging it based on other people's comments.

You don't have to taste the poison yourself if you have a trusted info it is a poison. People who haven't bought the game due to demo impressions or some review/friend opinion they trust have a right to their opinion and its no less worthy than any registered user. I respect them, and unless the majority stops paying for the mediocre products because of hope and lack of anything better on the market, we will never get anything better.

88mphSlayer wrote...

there's a lot of people who use the internet for news and information and conversing with friends, but the number of enthusiasts who visit forums and talk about anything in depth is a pretty small number, and you would be surprised at how many people just read forums but don't comment

Its obvious, but there is no reason to assume that those who post do not represent the average opinion of the whole fan base. Lots of official goverment statistics are usually based on several thousand people inquiries, and are projected on the whole countries. So saying that only haters post their opinions, and the majority of game lovers do not is wishful thinking at best.

Modifié par Irxy, 01 avril 2011 - 07:53 .

[Nimrodell]

I loved the game, still playing it, it'll be my 6th playthrough now. Siding with templars now, being witty/agressive but honest and not power hungry... my Hawke changed her tone, her automated answers are even different, funny and unexpected. Her personality is opposite from each I played so far. In ME people were whining about paragon/renegade system and how middle options are punishing for it 'cause they need to count 'para/rene' points. Now they got all those character options that are not punishing, awesome possibility to be witty, sarcastic, diplomatic or aggressive when appropriate and not being punished for it and ofc, they are still miserable... now they lack earthquakish different outcomes even though the story is being told as a biography, backwards, meaning those events already happened, we're just determining Hawke's personality... bah. I love it, have true mage that was thought by her father that there is a reason for templar's vigilance and had all Anders' cause mages too, had warrior that is protecting his dear sister and it is really enjoyable journey through DA2. So, yes, whatever BW does, there will be forum berserkers and there will be players that enjoyed the game... unfortunately, usually those berserking are louder and usually devs are answering them, trying to explain... that doesn't mean that the game itself is utter failure 'cause it is not. And statistics... never trusted 'em, not even looking at 'em anymore. I know what I like and I don't need stupid numbers to teach me that.