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[Torhagen]

ok one submit double post can seemingly  happen

Modifié par Torhagen, 02 avril 2011 - 12:46 .

[Mantaal]

Torhagen wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

Its funny how the fanboys think they are the Majority. Newsflash: Metacritic and other sides say "its not" 

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

I already said some pages ago, i dont know who the Majority is.
But you seem to know that, from what i read in your qouted post up there. Please enlight me. Who is the Majority and how did you know that? 

[Torhagen]

Mantaal wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

Its funny how the fanboys think they are the Majority. Newsflash: Metacritic and other sides say "its not" 

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

I already said some pages ago, i dont know who the Majority is.
But you seem to know that, from what i read in your qouted post up there. Please enlight me. Who is the Majority and how did you know that? 

One Page back you posted :
"Its funny how the fanboys think they are the Majority. Newsflash: Metacritic and other sides say "its not""
which is not equal to
"i dont know who the Majority is"

[chicgoods48]

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 02 avril 2011 - 01:48 .

[Mantaal]

Torhagen wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

Its funny how the fanboys think they are the Majority. Newsflash: Metacritic and other sides say "its not" 

I think it's funny how the hater's think that their opinion is somehow the same opinion as the majority. Newsflash... it's not.

I already said some pages ago, i dont know who the Majority is.
But you seem to know that, from what i read in your qouted post up there. Please enlight me. Who is the Majority and how did you know that? 

One Page back you posted :
"Its funny how the fanboys think they are the Majority. Newsflash: Metacritic and other sides say "its not""
which is not equal to
"i dont know who the Majority is"

I am Metacritc? II didnt know that  
I just said they dont seem to agree. But my personal opinion is different.

No one knows what the majority is. we can discuss that matter for years and still would not know it.

[brightblueink]

The overall opinion of the game I've seen is mixed, but overall positive. The general feel I get is that DA2 is a great game, but a disappointing sequel. The reviews aren't as good as, say, ME2...but they're still overall fairly high scores.

That said, I don't think the Bioware forum is ever a good measure of the majority. It's pretty obvious that the audience of the forums here is perceived as hardcore Bioware fanboys that are nostalgic for "the good 'ol days" and prefer the PC to consoles. If you look elsewhere, you might get more mixed opinions--like a thread in an LJ community here: http://community.liv...9459#t423779459

Of course, I'm sure you guys think that the general fanbase on LJ is unappealing--but they exist, and their opinion probably counts just as much to Bioware.

[DAO MAdhatter]

I enjoy DA 2 very much, & playing DAO for weeks on end is making me like DA 2 more & more. Screw the Haters, they just cant get over there being no DAO 2.

[Taimae]

For me, I love the game. It pretty much improved on what I wanted it to and kept most of what I liked about the original. The gameplay (for me) was a vast improvement on Origins. I played Origins for the story mainly, but really didn't like the gameplay, it was more of a chore than something enjoyable. Whereas for DAII, I really enjoyed both, though I did miss some of the specializations from the first.

The one thing I do hate (and this applies for Origins and II, and a lot of games for that matter), is DLC. I'm the kind of person who likes to have the game all in one box, not something that I have to download here, and download there, and download everywhere. Give me the full game with an expansion pack if need be.

EDIT: I never could really understand how Origins was a 'dark, adult fantasy'. Never got that vibe from the game at all. If anything, I found it hilarious, when broodmothers weren't involved.

Modifié par Taimae, 02 avril 2011 - 07:24 .

[ChunkinBigTime]

The problem with major fan opinions is that they're just as flawed as reviews from major publications. The issue with fan opinion is that tons of people are going to go into a game with confirmation bias, especially so with a sequel to a huge hit that looks to separate itself from its predecessor. As soon as details about DA2 were released, fans raged like crazy. They had already judged the game before it was even out. You can't expect to enjoy a game when you hate it before even trying it. So instead of trying to actually enjoy the game at its release, they specifically look for parts of the game that they could fuel and justify their hate. This is why it irks me when fans bash on big name game sites for being biased and paid off, when they're just as unreliable and prone to their own personal biases. When you factor in groupthink, to argue that the "majority" voice is the "right" voice is absolutely absurd. You can, of course, flip this the other way, where people will have such high expectations of a game that they'll enjoy it no matter what, completely ignoring its flaws. The "majority" doesn't mean anything, when most of the people in that group are just as biased as the people they set themselves apart from.

Personally, I loved Dragon Age 2. I had a lot of fun throughout my playthrough. I really enjoyed building my character the way I wanted to and seeing how his development played out. However, I can't and didn't ignore the fact that the game is severely flawed. It's not without its bugs and design issues. I wouldn't give it anything higher than a 7/10. Do I love the game? Damn straight I do. Do I think it's a good game? Absolutely not.

[ZombiePowered]

ChunkinBigTime wrote...

The problem with major fan opinions is that they're just as flawed as reviews from major publications. The issue with fan opinion is that tons of people are going to go into a game with confirmation bias, especially so with a sequel to a huge hit that looks to separate itself from its predecessor. As soon as details about DA2 were released, fans raged like crazy. They had already judged the game before it was even out. You can't expect to enjoy a game when you hate it before even trying it. So instead of trying to actually enjoy the game at its release, they specifically look for parts of the game that they could fuel and justify their hate. This is why it irks me when fans bash on big name game sites for being biased and paid off, when they're just as unreliable and prone to their own personal biases. When you factor in groupthink, to argue that the "majority" voice is the "right" voice is absolutely absurd. You can, of course, flip this the other way, where people will have such high expectations of a game that they'll enjoy it no matter what, completely ignoring its flaws. The "majority" doesn't mean anything, when most of the people in that group are just as biased as the people they set themselves apart from.

This. Citing professional reviews and user reviews is just pointless. There's always another set of reviews from both categories that contradicts whatever was just cited. The best way to get one's opinion about DA2 out is to have intelligent, respectable debates over the issues in it. Trying to find the "majority" in this is simply futile. Even more so when you're asking the vocal people whether there is a silent majority out there. It's like asking a group of dogs chasing a squirrel whether there is a larger group of dogs out there not interested in chasing any squirrels at all.

[DxWill10]

Those who actively participate on the forums are a minority among all who play. In addition, most forumites are young children who enjoy griping and complaining. Therefore, DA2 will have an overwhelmingly negative review, if not just so people feel better about themselves by griping'

edit: poster above me is correct.  a lot of players were (perhaps inadvertantly) looking for things to complain about.  They never gave the game a chance.  Some were expecting a perfect 10 and got their hopes so high, they were completely devastated when it wasn't the game of the century.  Most of these types of people tend to be young'ns who aren't as good at expressing their feelings and tend to display a hormone-fueled, pre-pubescent crying. 

Most of these people complain so much you'd think they'd never buy a bioware game again.  But rest assured, they most certainly will

Modifié par DxWill10, 02 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[Wompoo]

I love the DA2 story and companions, moreso then DA:O and by a large margin (thank god the writers saved this game, for me). However the classes and skill trees are as shallow as all hell. The combat also has little to do with tactical play and more to do with mindless battles of wack a mole or wait for absurd spawns from thin air. I'm still replaying the game, but purely for story, party banter and romance arcs. I certainly do not want a return to DA:O, but believe there is a mid point between DA:O and DA2 that would produce a solid gaming experience for everyone.

[Curry Noodles]

 I rarely post and I really like Dragon Age 2, as do all my friends.  

I''m so casual I didn't even read the whole thread.  For what it's worth, it looks like the number of people who enjoy obsessing over what boots their characters wear isn't all that high.  I didn't like chapter 3 though.  The whole final choice felt really silly; could just be my perspective though.  

[Vollkeule]

i believe the reviews are representative, because platforms like metacritic are used by all kind of gamers. of course not every player votes. there are few statistics, which do not work with partial data. if you are looking for an invisible mass with other information, you should provide some evidence for this theory.

but i think it is just as simple as a majority dislikes lots of the new orientations of dragon age.

Modifié par Vollkeule, 02 avril 2011 - 11:20 .

[Mantaal]

DxWill10 wrote...

Those who actively participate on the forums are a minority among all who play. In addition, most forumites are young children who enjoy griping and complaining. Therefore, DA2 will have an overwhelmingly negative review, if not just so people feel better about themselves by griping'

edit: poster above me is correct.  a lot of players were (perhaps inadvertantly) looking for things to complain about.  They never gave the game a chance.  Some were expecting a perfect 10 and got their hopes so high, they were completely devastated when it wasn't the game of the century.  Most of these types of people tend to be young'ns who aren't as good at expressing their feelings and tend to display a hormone-fueled, pre-pubescent crying. 

Most of these people complain so much you'd think they'd never buy a bioware game again.  But rest assured, they most certainly will

I dont think the young Children are complaining about DA2. They love mindless Hack&slash games with exploding Corpses and Isabella... 

[Cavegeta]

I generally am a lurker in the forums and have mostly lurked through the hate threads for the past few weeks But I have lurked faithfully for the last 5 years, so here's my take on it.

I like DA2. I've played it through twice already and am working on a third. My third playthrough is getting rather hard to complete however because it seems as though I know exactly what will happen in the end, which I can't go into depth about on a "No Spoilers" board. Basically, I think the 7/10 to 8/10 reviews are accurate with me personally leaning more towards the 7/10. To me it's an above average game, however it is not a great game like I consider DA:O to be.