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#276
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Arcian wrote...

Ah, yes, "Nerdcrush". We have dismissed that claim.


No but in all seriousness I think Tali actually got disillusioned. Think about it like this, most Quarians go out on their own and get treated like crap by the rest of the galaxy many of them come back longing for their life on the fleet where they aren't treated like second class citizens.

Tali didn't get that experience, well if Shepard treated her like crap she did but she never remembers that because she's...slow :P, so when she goes back to the fleet and they start putting her on missions that she's not qualified to be leading and putting her in situations she doesn't care about beyond her loyalty to the fleet she starts to become disillusioned to where she's more than happy to go with the man/woman she's had a crush on since ME1 (she was originally going to be Bi so I'm going off that for
simplicity sake) and be back onboard the Normandy doing what she loves. I think she became fed up with the admiralty board as evidenced by her dialouge about them after you rescue her.

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Sure, I'm not arguing that point. I'm also sure her past with Shepard is what motivated the admiralty board to transfer her to the Normandy in the first, instead of just going "Screw you, dude, she's ours. Get your own damn quarian" and have her continue to generate mission casualties in the name of the fleet.

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People are dismissing Bioware's statement. "If shepard's squadmates are killed in ME2, it will affect your gameplay in ME3." I'm guessing that's a negative impact.
So, if squadmates start to die, one can assume what might happen...

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Well this garnered a lot more attention than I thought it would. Well we can certainly speculate all we want it is fun, if Shepard loses all his squad mates that would make ME3 a bit difficult LMFAO. I have no friggin idea how that would import into ME3 or how it would impact the game. GOOD THING I lost my whole entire ship crew but none of my squad mates in my first SM, I was actually pretty impressed by that (exception the NPC's the Dr and Joker.) That would have left me, the Dr. and Joker the only ones on the ship. Is it possible to get all your squad mates killed? I'd need some incentive to go that far.

Since losing Kaidan or Ashley in ME1 and they dead don't import into ME2, speculating on how ME3 will turn out if you lose half one's squad or the entire squad, especially Tali or Garrus for example is too much really for my noodle to figure out. I can't imagine those two not being in my squad in ME3 but in LoTSB it does say in the files that Garrus truly does have as much potential as Shepard he just doesn't have the chance too actually utilize it yet. If Garrus hadn't been betrayed by one of his own who knows what could have happened on Omega and the future. Shepard luckily hasn't had that issue yet but who knows we have ME3 coming. As for the rest of the crew well, we'll see in ME3 lets hope for a great one!

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george martin wrote...

Is it possible to get all your squad mates killed?

That depends on what you mean. In canon, every single squadmate except the VS and Liara can die. In ME2, yes, every squad member can die.

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Therefore_I_Am wrote...

People are dismissing Bioware's statement. "If shepard's squadmates are killed in ME2, it will affect your gameplay in ME3." I'm guessing that's a negative impact.
So, if squadmates start to die, one can assume what might happen...



This is all assuming she didn't get exiled.

Modifié par lolfanboi, 04 avril 2011 - 10:48 .


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Arcian wrote...

george martin wrote...

Is it possible to get all your squad mates killed?

That depends on what you mean. In canon, every single squadmate except the VS and Liara can die. In ME2, yes, every squad member can die.

But not all of them in the same playthorugh while having Shepard survive.

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Malanek999 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

george martin wrote...

Is it possible to get all your squad mates killed?

That depends on what you mean. In canon, every single squadmate except the VS and Liara can die. In ME2, yes, every squad member can die.

But not all of them in the same playthorugh while having Shepard survive.

Completely true.

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lolfanboi wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

People are dismissing Bioware's statement. "If shepard's squadmates are killed in ME2, it will affect your gameplay in ME3." I'm guessing that's a negative impact.
So, if squadmates start to die, one can assume what might happen...



This is all assuming she didn't get exiled.


Who's she?

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 05 avril 2011 - 12:15 .


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The only requirement for Shepard to survive the SM is that there are still two squadmates still alive. Why is that? Because Shepard needs two squadmate to accompany him/her on missions. It is a similar situation to Virmire in the first game. If you don't recruit Garrus and haven't done Therum yet, it is impossible to kill Wrex. At that point, your squad is Ashley, Kaidan, Tali and Wrex. Either Ashley or Kaidan is with Kirrahe, and the other is with the bomb. If you could kill Wrex, you'd only have Tali as a squadmate.

This may indicate that BioWare intends you to keep the same squad. If you only have two survivors, it will make the next game more difficult because you'll have to take those same two squadmates on every mission. There may be some missions were their skills are suboptimal.

Of course, this proves nothing. I'm mainly just musing here.

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Mr0TYuH wrote...

The only requirement for Shepard to survive the SM is that there are still two squadmates still alive. Why is that? Because Shepard needs two squadmate to accompany him/her on missions. It is a similar situation to Virmire in the first game. If you don't recruit Garrus and haven't done Therum yet, it is impossible to kill Wrex. At that point, your squad is Ashley, Kaidan, Tali and Wrex. Either Ashley or Kaidan is with Kirrahe, and the other is with the bomb. If you could kill Wrex, you'd only have Tali as a squadmate.

This may indicate that BioWare intends you to keep the same squad. If you only have two survivors, it will make the next game more difficult because you'll have to take those same two squadmates on every mission. There may be some missions were their skills are suboptimal.

Of course, this proves nothing. I'm mainly just musing here.

I figured that they only did that so that you'd be able to continue playing mass effect 2 with a full squad with you

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It is certainly possible. As I said, I was really just musing on the subject. It is entirely possible that decision was made solely for the purpose of any unfinished quests or future DLC.

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Arcian wrote...

100k wrote...
It would also be cool if the characters you changed changed their personal appearances.

Garrus, for instance, would get a red visor and neck lighting that would cast his face into a kind of creepy contrast. He would get cybernetic implants on his body to enhance his abilites, subtly reminding the player of Saren. This could signify that, despite Garrus's original goals, he was becoming as reckless and evil as Saren. His eye color would change with Shepard's, implying that he sees the world the same way as a renegade.

Tali could become very anti geth, pro war for home world and geth experiments. Her inner helmet could be lit with an eerie light. She would be given the option to wear darker clothes, and heavy armor, and she would be very militaristic.

Thane would stay brain dead and "disconnected". He would be a silent body guard, and wear a Kasumi style hood.

Jack would wear a full commando combat suit, and grow a mow hawk. Her eyes would become totally black, and she would turn really pale, emphasizing her tattoos.

Miranda would become a Cerberus extremist, she would cut her hair short and sharp, like that one news reporter. 

Jacob would pull a Kanye West hairstyle. No, I dunno. Jacob would grow his hair into dreadlocks, and wear red lit heavy combat suits.

Grunt's silver head plate would get dark fringes. His skin tone would change to a slightly darker color, and he would revel in any level of violence.

Samara would become a extremist, and kill people for the smallest of things without mercy. She would wear a white and silver shawl, and her eyes would glow permanently. Similar to Thane, she would be very disconnected, more of a tool than a being.

Kasumi's eyes would glow brightly under her hood. She would be able to take off her hood, and would be equipped with loads of grenades. She would become Shepard's spy.

Legion renagade would be similar to the alt Legion costume in the game. They have a red "eye", N7 armor, and heavy can either be a tool of Shepard (think HK 47), or Tali (as a slave), or be independent.

Zaeed would have black armor, filled with weapon attachments, and both of his eyes would be artifical. 

Mordin would get eyes like Dr. Saleon. Creepy.

You can see where this whole thing is going. I would make sure that the "renegade" characters aren't just goth stereotypes, or emo punks, but do and wear things that are appropriate to their characters.

I highlighted all things I don't really agree with/didn't think were plausible. I get the whole, "eyes are the windows to the soul"-thing, and most are plausible, but those i highlighted are not.

Otherwise, it sounds pretty cool, like a purist Cerberus team (in terms of moral angle of ideals, not actual ideals such as species vs species like the actual Cerberus).


I forgot to mention that every element of the characters would be toggle-able. You could toggle Jack's skin (or even alter her tatoos) while leaving her eyes their normal color, or vise versa. It would just add a level of depth to character customization, beyond armor and weapons. Having a paragon or renegade character would give them different physical attributes, encouraging one to sculpt a character how they want. 

And yes, the crew would have the basic Cerberus ideals of "Victory at any Cost".

Heh. Imagine the ultra Paragon characters.

Garrus without a visor, and with full blue face paint on, wearing heavy Spectre-class armor. 

Tali with a beautifully embroidered head dress and suit, with her face illuminated slightly more behind her helmet by a soft blue light.

Miranda with her hair styled into a pony tail or elegant knot, wearing a white, professional military uniform.

Jack with her tattoos completely removed, wearing a bad ass red biotic commando outfit, and having short red hair.

Thane, completely connected, wearing a Hawaii shirt. Lol. What paragon outfit would he wear?

Kasumi, hoodless, with geisha hairstyle, and a quarian style embroidered outfit. Heavy infiltration gear on her arms.

Legion, completely repaired, wearing their own geth armor, with a white  metallic crest on the back of their head.

Samara in green slightly sensual combat uniform. She will be loyal, and give up the harsh, hypocritical ways of the Justicar.

Mordin wearing a killer STG uniform (with bad ass toggle-able helmet).

Jacob without a shirt. Or abs. 

Grunt, pretty much as he is, but with Wrex's ideals of rebuilding the Krogan (rather than just killing things). His scalp might be a tad shinier, and his  blue eyes will be a bit more...illuminated? Not glowing, but they would stand out more? 

Zaeed would have both eyes fixed, Jessie on his shoulder at all times (toggle-able), and heavy golden "glory days" armor.

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I really really like all these ideas.

But sweet fancy moses, think of the art budget! The aaaaaaaaaart buuuuudgeeeet.

/killjoy

Also, I noticed something: the DLC Appearance packs are for the three female LIs, the two popular male LIs, and Grunt. Could this be an indicator of Bioware's squadmate popularity statistics? Ehhhhh? 

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I really really like all these ideas.

But sweet fancy moses, think of the art budget! The aaaaaaaaaart buuuuudgeeeet.

/killjoy

Don't talk to me about art budgets, missy!  I just spent a hundred dollars on pens.  PENS!

Also, I noticed something: the DLC Appearance packs are for the three female LIs, the two popular male LIs, and Grunt. Could this be an indicator of Bioware's squadmate popularity statistics? Ehhhhh? 

Possibly.  But I thought Mordin was more popular...  Eh.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Possibly.  But I thought Mordin was more popular...  Eh.


I hope to God he is, but I think his popularity is of a "don't bring him on as many missions, but like talking with him on the ship" variety. I don't know, I'd guess he's more popular as a character, but Grunt is brought along on more missions.

Mordin is my favorite character, and I only used him slightly more often than grunt, and less often than Garrus. Though if I had known Bioware was collecting stats on this stuff at the time, I would have brought him on EVERY MISSION EVER.

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That has me wondering, though... Do you think they counted how many times people went and talked to certain characters?

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Possibly.  But I thought Mordin was more popular...  Eh.


I hope to God he is, but I think his popularity is of a "don't bring him on as many missions, but like talking with him on the ship" variety. I don't know, I'd guess he's more popular as a character, but Grunt is brought along on more missions.


That's a perfect description of how he is with me. I love his character but I only used him on his own loyalty mission and Grunt's.

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It is confirmed that some squadmates are returning as squadmates in ME3.

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Wonder what they'll do for E3 this time...

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Mesina2 wrote...

It is confirmed that some squadmates are returning as squadmates in ME3.


source?

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Mesina2 wrote...

It is confirmed that some squadmates are returning as squadmates in ME3.


Who confirmed this? And please tell me that it wasn't an April Fool's prank. :(

Like "ME3 will take place entirely on one planet." Though, that one was pretty funny. Getting our hopes up for returning squadmates would be... less funny.

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Mac Walters live interview.

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Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Mr0TYuH wrote...

when recruited, he had just months to live


Wrong.


Thane specifically says he has nine months to a year to live. Though Mr0TYuH may be exagerating, it is still technically true.

The only way that Thane would be alive in ME3, if we are basing our timeline on A) Time of suicide mission and B) Time till Reaper arrival (anywhere from a few months to a few years flying from the Viper Nebula to the Local Cluster) is if he is cured.

Let's assume that the suicide mission takes 6-9 months to prepare for and execute. This is based on flight time from place to place as well as mission times and-out-of-player-control events like Collector abductions.

Then lets say that it takes the Reapers 1 year to fly the approximately 25,000 light years from the Viper Nebula to the Local Cluster (this is a CRAZY generalization based on the approximate diameter of the Milky Way [100,000 LY] and an eyeball's guess of proportion). 

That places time between Thane's recruitment and time to Arrival at 1 1/2 years to 1 3/4 years. 

Even if you subtract a few months from the time of the suicide mission and time till arrival you still get dangerously close to Thane's estimate of 1 year (on the generous side) and that means that he will either be dead or on his death bed unless a cure is miraculously found, which to many would be a cop out.

You can disagree that it would be a cop out but not that he will be dead or dying unaided by ME3. Time doesn't stand still.

Also, on topic, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, possibly Jack, and hopefully Garrus will probably not be returning as squadmates.

As much as I love Garrus (I've used his image as my forum photo ever since January '10) he could do a lot more good as a leader of his own team. He's nearly Shepard's equal and he could simply do more good operating independent of Shepard. Shepard can always use Tali, Jacob, or Miranda to fill Garrus' spot by his/her side.

But it probably won't happen, at least so says the inner cynic/realist in me. It would be pretty hard for Bioware to pull off properly and make it feel worthwhile. They'd have to keep in mind the people who romanced him and allow for that to continue and conclude, they'd have to write him in as a both story relevant and story critical character in order to do it properly, and they'd have to justify him leaving believably.

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Mesina2 wrote...

Mac Walters live interview.

That contains nothing about squad mates returning as squad mates. Wrex did return in ME2 after all.

I really wísh people would stop with this selective hearing/reading and creating expectations that the devs can not possibly fullfill. All that leads to is them getting dissapointed when they relaise their own self delusion, going to the forum and flame everyone and everything (see the DA2 forum).