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[xSTONEYx187x]

I don't think it's possible to have them has squad mates but they can still play a role in ME 3. If they survived your playthrough you could visit them and talk to them about certain things, i.e what they are doing now, what they think of the situation regarding the Reapers etc.

The only confirmed squaddie is VS.

[sponge56]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet but in that arrival live chat with the lead writer that everyone was raging about, there was one thing that the writer (don't remember what the writer is called, blasphemy I know ) said which I thought was really telling for ME3. While I can't remember the exact quote he was commenting on how hard his team was working because of the hundreds of different variables and changes which they needed to incorporate into the third game. Now, I know this could be stuff like the main plot decisions that people made but it sure as hell sounds like they went down the route of bringing your surviving squad back.

[sponge56]

correction, someone has already posted the link and people have already commented on it so ignore my post

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I think Arrival gives us a pretty good hint as to whoose's going to be in the Squade. In the slowed down version of Shepard's vision you can see a squad about to be attacked by Harbinger. If my memory is right the people we see are: Thane, Garrus, Tali, VS, Miranda, Mordin, and we see TIM in person so maybe he's a team mate in the game?

[Blze001]

This is my theory, and it would really make the suicide mission carry weight. Tali and Garrus have to return as squaddies. You can't establish those two as being Shepard's closest friends in the galaxy (true friends, mind you. The kind that say "You're heading for disaster, but I'm not letting you go alone." kind.) and not bring them back. Joker and Chakwas are a given. Miranda, probably since she's your XO. Jacob, maybe because I can't think of another place he'd go.

They might go the DA2 route with Leliana and establish canon as Tali and Garrus surviving. Sadly, I don't see the others aside from Miranda and Jacob being squad mates for the following reasons:

Mordin was with Shepard to defeat the Collectors, he knows his skills are best suited in a well-equipped lab instead of fighting on a ship. Expect to see him leading a team to develop some anti-Reaper ass-kicker.

Zaeed: He got hired to defeat the Collectors and they were. Regardless of what respect he may have garnered for Shepard, he'll leave. I could see Bioware having him take over the Blue Suns and providing them for the final battle.

Kasumi: Let's be honest, the fact that Shepard kept her attention span for as long as he did is amazing. She'll be around and show up for the final battle to help Shep, but I don't see her staying on the Normandy when there is so much stealing to do before the galaxy is destroyed.

Grunt: Krogan? Small starship? Yeah, not going to happen for long. He'll be chilling with Wrex on Tuchanka and making sure his kind are ready to help his battlemaster when the time comes.

Samara: She vowed her support for Shepard's mission. I could see her gathering the Justicars for the final showdown.

Legion: Although he said his mission was to find Shepard, I don't think he'll be a squaddie. He'll be gathering a consensus on helping during the battle.

Thane: Although he wants to, he'll be fixing things as best he can with Kolyat.

Jack: I have no idea with this one. Maybe she goes off to find everyone associated with the experiments on her and you have to break her out of prison... again...

Liara: Shadow Broker duties are a ****, but I could see her rejoining your squad for old times sake.


Ideally, however, your ME3 squad would be the ME1 team + ME2 team.

Modifié par Blze001, 05 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Blze001 wrote...

Jack: I have no idea with this one. Maybe she goes off to find everyone associated with the experiments on her and you have to break her out of prison... again...

Jack has to come back! Because I romanced her! Because seriously, where is she going to go?! I know that she's a wanted woman, but where can she hide that's going to keep her happy (she has a severe wander-lust) and, more importantly, keep her safe from authorities? Jack's all about survival, and sticking with Shepard is her best chance of that!

Moreover, Jack has to come back because I can't imagine a satisfying cameo from her character. I mean, what, is she going to sit on some warlord throne somewhere, Liara and Wrex style, waiting for Shepard to show up so that she can give her former commander a hug and a kiss before sending Shep on his/her merry way? Lame!

Or, let's imagine that Jack has an awesome cameo. Maybe she saves Shepard from some heavy fire. Still, this would seem really weird.

Jack: Hey there, Commander. Still can't cover your own a**?
Shepard: Jack! I wondered where you were off to!
Jack: Yeah, sorry about your hovercraft. Anyway, I just thought I'd take over this colony/deal with some personal issues/random excuse. Trust me, whatever I'm doing now is important than anything ever.
Shepard: But I'm trying to save the-
Jack: See ya, Commander! Crush a Reaper for me!

Okay, okay, I know that "it would be lame" isn't a valid argument for why Jack has to be a team member in ME3, because ME2 was full of "lame" cameos from former party members. But at least those made sense to me! I can imagine Wrex and Grunt losing interest in Shepard's cause, same with Zaeed and Kasumi...

BUT NOT JACK.

....BECAUSE WHAT BETTER ACTIVITY DOES SHE HAVE TO DO?

[/rant]

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 05 avril 2011 - 02:13 .

[Bamboozalist]

Arcian wrote...

100k wrote...
Snip*

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Here is an idea, how about the high trained combat team...now this is a big stretch so just bear with me...wears combat armor when going into combat and not rediculous outfits? And...and this part is really out there...when they're on the Normandy they wear sensible casual wear like normal people.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

There's a game I used to play with my friends a lot, it's called "boardroom pitch." In it, you have to figure out how a particular idea ended up being implemented, especially if that idea seems crazy or weird. So I wrote one about the ME2 characters...

Also, in my imagination, the lead writer in the Bioware writer's room is played by J. Jonah Jameson.

Scene: Bioware Writer's room, concept stage for ME2.

"Ok guys, it's time to come up with squadmates and character deaths for ME2. Hit me with ideas."

"Well, we know this is going to be a suicide mission, so nobody should be safe."

"Ok. But here's our problem... we can't tell who is going to be popular. Like, whose idea was it to have Wrex die in the first game?"

"Uh, it was... me."

"Ok, you're not allowed to talk anymore, next!"

"Well, if everyone can die, we can't bring Liara or Ashley back, because we need them for later."

"What about Kaidan?"

"Who?"

"Nevermind. Ok. So we have a new game. We need some squadmates. And you're telling me I can only bring TWO back from the first game?"

"...yes."

"WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? I NEED PICTURES, PEOPLE, PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN. Sorry... got caught up. Ok, anyone have any bright ideas?"

"We could..."

"You're the Wrex-is-killable guy, right? what did I tell you about the talking?"

"Shutting up, sir."

"Good. Now does anyone, anyone else, have any ideas about the new, goddam characters we need to create. Who... bear in mind.... must all be able to be killed by the end of the game."

"Um..."

"Yes, you, in the back, with the Ellen haircut and the unironic T-shirt, what in gods name could you have to contribute? Well, spit it out!"

"Well... couldn't we just throw stuff at the wall to see what works? I mean we can make like 10 characters... they won't all be fan favorites like Wrex, but we can gather user statistics to figure out which ones are popular and which ones aren't, and just bring back the ones people like? If everyone has a chance of dying, there will only be a small chance the ones people like will be dead and... I'm... I'm fired aren't I?"

"No, kid... no. That idea's so crazy it just might work. Ok people, I want ten new characters on my desk by the end of the night. Also, Mr. 'I think it would be emotionally resonant if people have to kill Wrex,' your new job is to write all the depressing alternate dialogue we have to make when you screwed up. Ok people... BREAK."

[Bamboozalist]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
"Well... couldn't we just throw stuff at the wall to see what works? I mean we can make like 10 characters... they won't all be fan favorites like Wrex, but we can gather user statistics to figure out which ones are popular and which ones aren't, and just bring back the ones people like? If everyone has a chance of dying, there will only be a small chance the ones people like will be dead and... I'm... I'm fired aren't I?"

"Um...sir"

"What is it!?"

"They all ended up being popular...not Wrex popular...but even the DLC characters are now popular, and people are complaining that they spent an entire game recruiting and getting to know these characters..."

"GODDAMN IT! Well we can just cameo them, people were only mildly upset when we did that in ME2, heck most people liked Wrex's cameo!"

"Yeah but we got away with that because of that whole "saving them for ME3" excuse, what are we going to for the final chapter of the trilogy?"

"..."

"Sir?"

"GODDAMN IT! WHOSE IDEA WAS IT FOR THAT WHOLE SUICIDE MISSION ANYWAY!?"

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 05 avril 2011 - 05:58 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Mac Walters as J. Jonah Jameson: the best thing I've read all day.

[KawaiiKatie]

You know what? YOU KNOW WHAT?

I just want to see Bioware go totally balls-the-wall and bring back every old squad mate. Oh, you killed them off? WELL, IT SUCKS TO BE YOU. MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SUCH A FAILURE, COMMANDER.

Like, seriously. Who actually failed the suicide mission and DIDN'T go back to fix it? I really just want Bioware to bring back the ME2 squad as full companions, and really reward the "No One Left Behind" achievers. (Which is most of us.)

Bioware: Here's your squad for ME3! ....everyone from ME2!

Person: But all of my companions died!

Bioware: Then it sucks to be you!

Person: But my love interest!

Bioware: Get a new one!

Person: But- but- I CAN'T DO IT ALONE!

Bioware: Okay, alright. You can have the Virmire Survivor, Liara, and Wrex or his loser brother for free. But if you failed SO HARD at ME2 that most of your companions are dead, then yeah, you're gonna have a tough time in ME3. THEM'S THE BREAKS.

[Bamboozalist]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

You know what? YOU KNOW WHAT?

I just want to see Bioware go totally balls-the-wall and bring back every old squad mate. Oh, you killed them off? WELL, IT SUCKS TO BE YOU. MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SUCH A FAILURE, COMMANDER.

Like, seriously. Who actually failed the suicide mission and DIDN'T go back to fix it? I really just want Bioware to bring back the ME2 squad as full companions, and really reward the "No One Left Behind" achievers. (Which is most of us.)

Bioware: Here's your squad for ME3! ....everyone from ME2!

Person: But all of my companions died!

Bioware: Then it sucks to be you!

Person: But my love interest!

Bioware: Get a new one!

Person: But- but- I CAN'T DO IT ALONE!

Bioware: Okay, alright. You can have the Virmire Survivor, Liara, and Wrex or his loser brother for free. But if you failed SO HARD at ME2 that most of your companions are dead, then yeah, you're gonna have a tough time in ME3. THEM'S THE BREAKS.

Scratch that last part out, I'd rather have the VS, Liara, and Wrex go on missions with their own squad along side of you...well Liara can stay behind and act as our overhead support with EDI...and be important to the story since they're "saved for ME3" but I agree, if you killed all but 2 you should start the game with 2 squadmates and that's it. Hell I based entire playthroughs around that, I have a Sole Survivor "the universe hates me" planned around being just being pathetically underpowered for the Reapers.

[JaimeBaby]

I think not concentrating on the old characters would be a huge mistake. We've invested so much in these people. In fact, the most exciting moment of the series so far for me was the suicide mission, precisely because I knew some of them could die.

More than one new squad member in ME 3 would be a waste in my opinion. The resources should go into the old ones. Give them more to say and deepen the interaction with them.

Regarding emotional investment, ME 1 and 2 are build up, so ME 3 should be pay off.

[Bamboozalist]

Arcian wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Here is an idea, how about the high trained combat team...now this is a big stretch so just bear with me...wears combat armor when going into combat and not ridiculous* outfits? And...and this part is really out there...when they're on the Normandy they wear sensible casual wear like normal people.

I know where you're getting at, and I do not disagree in any remote way, but just look at ME2 and say that again.

*fixed

Lets see.

Practical:
Garrus
Grunt
Shepard
Zaeed
Tali
Mordin

EH?
Jacob and his skintight jumpsuit thing he wears.

WHY ARE YOU WEARING THIS INTO COMBAT?
Miranda
Jack
Samara
Morinth
Kasumi
Thane

[Ice Cold J]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Here is an idea, how about the high trained combat team...now this is a big stretch so just bear with me...wears combat armor when going into combat and not ridiculous* outfits? And...and this part is really out there...when they're on the Normandy they wear sensible casual wear like normal people.

I know where you're getting at, and I do not disagree in any remote way, but just look at ME2 and say that again.

*fixed

Lets see.

WHY ARE YOU WEARING THIS INTO COMBAT?
Miranda
Jack
Samara
Morinth
Kasumi
Thane

The first four wear those outfits because when I'm not aiming between someone's eyes, I need something to focus on.

[jballa34]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only established character ruined in ME2 was Liara. Her character development is a train wreck.

agreed.

[george martin]

Why can't we just import the characters that survived the SM? The characters that die aren't in ME3, the ones that survive make it, exception being they decide to do something else. That may be way too complicated to do but that would make the most sense. I can't imagine all the same people being on your squad they may decide to do something else if some times goes by, as for Tali, Garrus and a couple others them leaving simply wouldn't make sense they now what the threat is they've been confronting it since ME1. Of course Kaidan and or Ashley have to be in ME3 that would ****** way too many people off.

[george martin]

Besides bringing back the squad mates, if you think about it how will they actually fight the reapers? It will be in space and or planet side so they'd be on ships most likely. Smudboy in his review of ME2 says it's a waste to collect all these squad mates since they'll be in space, but heck Reapers are massive dreadnoughts I don't know how any lone squad could take on a fleet of Reapers, there will have to be a heck of a twist in ME3 I guess in how they combat the reapers.

[DxWill10]

If we weren't getting out ME2 squad mates back, then time would be wasted in the 3rd one recruiting more. After all that character development in ME2, I'm sure most who survived the SM will be back for more in ME3

[NoUserNameHere]

We could make them temporary squadmates in some capacity.

Furinstance, say most of the squad is spread out before Shep's trial. They are busy working on various projects, trying to prepare everyone else for the Reaper invasion. Upon regrouping, they can help you out (assuming they're alive).

With their quests done, they could either leave to lead whatever army you are forming, or stay with the group popularity permitting.

[TobyHasEyes]

http://masseffect.wi...r_and_Equipment

Just a point against how much everyone thinks that for it to be armour, it has to be huge and bulky. The codex shows that the technology is far for sophisticated than that; the argument that skin-tight armour must be ineffective and not a serious option is like a knight in plate armour laughing at kevlar or something

[CulturalGeekGirl]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...r_and_Equipment

Just a point against how much everyone thinks that for it to be armour, it has to be huge and bulky. The codex shows that the technology is far for sophisticated than that; the argument that skin-tight armour must be ineffective and not a serious option is like a knight in plate armour laughing at kevlar or something

I'm more thinking about the high heels and boob windows Even if the skintight stuff is good armor (which I am fine with), that patch of skin you have completely exposed? Shrapnel target.There's also the helmet problem. I'd prefer helmets that go on and off easily, and I kind of vaguely hate running into combat without my helmet... still I'd rather be able to have it off for face-to-face conversations.

And unless you are riding horses into combat, heels are a bad idea. And if you ARE riding horses, a nice chunky medium heel is what you want, like on a cowboy boot. Samara and Miranda... sigh.

[gosimmons]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm more thinking about the high heels and boob windows Even if the skintight stuff is good armor (which I am fine with), that patch of skin you have completely exposed? Shrapnel target.There's also the helmet problem. I'd prefer helmets that go on and off easily, and I kind of vaguely hate running into combat without my helmet... still I'd rather be able to have it off for face-to-face conversations.

And unless you are riding horses into combat, heels are a bad idea. And if you ARE riding horses, a nice chunky medium heel is what you want, like on a cowboy boot. Samara and Miranda... sigh.

About sums up my thoughts. Bright red/skin tight/revealing didn't scream solemn assassin to me either. lol
I mean, I know Me2 was supposed to be less formal on a Cerberus ship, but I miss when the outfits were at least sensible. It'd be nice if they used the suggestions about there being customizable combat outfits as well as casual wear in the next game. Either way, hoping common sense comes before fanservice purposes.