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[Elite Midget]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

This coming straight from the camel's mouth? Oh, my!

That's pretty rich from you.

But seriously Elite if you're not going to actually contribute to the thread beyond reminding everyone that they're biased, complaining about how you hate everything, and actually engage in discussion please just stop.

Oh but I've contributed all right. More so than you I dare say. After all, someone has to lead others to the truth when they have to deal with those that couldn't debate themselves out of a paper bag with their lies and biased intentions.

After all, it's common knowledge that Fans that cared for all the characters would expect equal treatment for them all. Which I do while a vocal minority don't.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Clonedzero wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
miranda, garrus, tali, well actually those three are the ones i can easily see being deeply invested into the story.

Except they are dead.

yes, if they die they shoud have a significant negative effect on the story.

you know. CONSEQUENCES lol.

if miranda is dead she can't help you hold off cerberus / deal with TIM. can't provide info and resources and connections throughout the galaxy.

if tali is dead you lose your abilities to sway the quarians and you lose the backing of the migrant fleet.

if garrus is dead then you dont have your buddy and shepard is depressed the whole game.

you know, stuff like that. consequences. your choices effecting the story. if you got the important people killed you should be in trouble for that.

But then that would defeat the purpose of "creating your own story" if you're going to strong arm the player into playing a certain way. 

If anything they'll handle this the same way they handled the council situation; a few changes to the atmosphere, but ultimately plays out the same exact way. 

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 01 avril 2011 - 09:06 .

[ShadyKat]

Clonedzero wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
miranda, garrus, tali, well actually those three are the ones i can easily see being deeply invested into the story.

Except they are dead.

yes, if they die they shoud have a significant negative effect on the story.

you know. CONSEQUENCES lol.

if miranda is dead she can't help you hold off cerberus / deal with TIM. can't provide info and resources and connections throughout the galaxy.

if tali is dead you lose your abilities to sway the quarians and you lose the backing of the migrant fleet.

if garrus is dead then you dont have your buddy and shepard is depressed the whole game.

you know, stuff like that. consequences. your choices effecting the story. if you got the important people killed you should be in trouble for that.

This is what i'm hoping for. It is more to punish the players who intentionally got certain characters killed. So if Legion dies, or you sell him, you lose any and all help from the Geth....etc.

[Dave666]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Step 1: Spend an entire game recruiting a team and getting the PC emotionally attached to the characters
Step 2: Say that players who lost their squad in ME2 will have a hard time in ME3
Step 3: Cameo them all

Step 4: Problem, fanbase?

You forgot Step 5: Closure of Bioware when fans after being screwed over stop buying their products.,  (Or at the very least are hesitant to waste their money).

[Elite Midget]

I only bite when someone is obviously biased and wants special treatment for their favorites. Which your avatar does matter. If you didn't like Garrus you wouldn't have him as your avatar. Yet here you are pretending that isn't the case when you off handly mention you believe Garrus/Tali must return yet others have reasons why they couldn't.

Again, you didn't read the part where I said 'example'. It doesn't mean Bioware has to use that example. It was my way of making an example you would understand that Bioware could use to get Garrus to leave. They have many options in that regard anyway. The same goes for my Tali example. Which I would say again were examples on what could be done to compensate the fact that they can die just as well.

Learn to read the whole thing instead of singeling out bits that you believe you have a chance against.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[Bamboozalist]

Arcian wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

I think the change in Liara's character came from Bioware not wanting to have two "nerdy/shy girl" personalities in the same franchise.

Who's the 2nd nerdy/shy girl?

ME2 Tali

[ShadyKat]

Well we will be getting info in the next few weeks about ME3. I hope for screen shots of Shepard, and any other squadmates that will be shown. We will see if anyone from ME2, is making a comeback.

[Elite Midget]

It's Tali. She wasen't like that in ME1 but that was changed in ME2 to fill the void of Hot Nerdy Virgin Alien Girl that Hero Worships Shepard.

[Clonedzero]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
miranda, garrus, tali, well actually those three are the ones i can easily see being deeply invested into the story.

Except they are dead.

yes, if they die they shoud have a significant negative effect on the story.

you know. CONSEQUENCES lol.

if miranda is dead she can't help you hold off cerberus / deal with TIM. can't provide info and resources and connections throughout the galaxy.

if tali is dead you lose your abilities to sway the quarians and you lose the backing of the migrant fleet.

if garrus is dead then you dont have your buddy and shepard is depressed the whole game.

you know, stuff like that. consequences. your choices effecting the story. if you got the important people killed you should be in trouble for that.

But then that would defeat the purpose of "creating your own story" if you're going to strong arm the player into playing a certain way. 

what do you mean? are you saying your actions shouldnt have consquences? that all the ME2 characters should have no impact on the ME3 story because someone missed out? that defeats the whole point of making choices.

i mean if you make all bad choices, get everyone kill, and then everyone still helps you anyways wouldnt that be kinda, well dumb?

wouldnt it be better if how strong your army was and how successful you are against the reapers is directly effected by how you played the games? what choices you made, how successful your suicide mission was, how loyal your team was. all of those shoudl be actual factors in the game.

they shouldnt wipe the slate clean, give us a new team of people who couldnt have died yet and make all our choices meaningless because someone MIGHT have made a mistake. make that mistake count for something/ personally i want the fact i lost mordin to matter in my save.

it'd make the game stronger, and as a result make ME2 stronger as well, because people would go back to ME2 to replay it in different ways for importing to see how it turns out. like miranda being my go to example, i can easily see her being extremely useful storywise in ME3, if she's dead what happens? well maybe i'd go back to ME2 and kill her off to see how it plays out differently and when things do change because of that then it'd be wonderful.

i dunno how anyone can think thats a bad thing.

[Dave666]

Elite Midget wrote...

I only bite when someone is obviously biased and wants special treatment for their favorites. Which your avatar does matter. If you didn't like Garrus you wouldn't have him as your avatar. Yet here you are pretending that isn't the case when you off handly mention you believe Garrus/Tali must return yet others have reasons why they couldn't.

Again, you didn't read the part where I said 'example'. It doesn't mean Bioware has to use that example. It was my way of making an example you would understand that Bioware could use to get Garrus to leave. They have many options in that regard anyway. The same goes for my Tali example. Which I would say again were examples on what could be done to compensate the fact that they can die just as well.

Learn to read the whole thing instead of singeling out bits that you believe you have a chance against.

*Bangs head against wall*  Whats that wall? Yes, I know it would be easier talking to you but I'm trying to be civil.  I agree wall, but that would get me banned. I'm glad you understand wall.

[Elite Midget]

I don't get mad over irrelevant things. Though it seems that you may need to take a chill pill. Many need to do that when they're unable to comprehend how much my debateing skills surpass their own. Mostly because I use Logic and Fact instead of what I demand to happen.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[Dave666]

Elite Midget wrote...

I don't get mad over irrelevant things. Though it seems that you may need to take a chill pill. Many need to do that when they're unable to comprehend how much my debateing skills surpass their own. Mostly because I use Logic and Fact instead of what I demand to happen.

Damn thats funny! I haven't laughed so much in ages!

[Bamboozalist]

Sure is derailing relevant discussion in this thread.

[Elite Midget]

Like you're doing Bamboo? You know if you can't contribute you could just not post while I on the otherhand wish to continue contributeing.

Such as... Except no Special Treatment for the killables. If the VS/Liara are considered to be NPCified than so should the Zombies. Especially since the Novel states the time table leading up to ME3 while Arrival can be done halfway through ME2.

[Clonedzero]

Elite Midget wrote...

I only bite when someone is obviously biased and wants special treatment for their favorites. Which your avatar does matter. If you didn't like Garrus you wouldn't have him as your avatar. Yet here you are pretending that isn't the case when you off handly mention you believe Garrus/Tali must return yet others have reasons why they couldn't.

Again, you didn't read the part where I said 'example'. It doesn't mean Bioware has to use that example. It was my way of making an example you would understand that Bioware could use to get Garrus to leave. They have many options in that regard anyway. The same goes for my Tali example. Which I would say again were examples on what could be done to compensate the fact that they can die just as well.

Learn to read the whole thing instead of singeling out bits that you believe you have a chance against.

oh i think viarables should be considered in everything.

like garrus for example, if he's alive then cool, but if he lived through ME2 and you ignored his loyalty mission he should be a cameo with his own squad like you suggested earlier, but if you had his loyalty mission and he lived then he should stick with shepard acting as his "bro" or whatever lol.

thats where i think alot of the squadmate vs cameos should be determined, if you had them live but not loyal then they go off to handle their stuff and dont really join back up with shepard. miranda goes off to help her sister instead of sticking with shepard, tali goes to deal with her trial, mordin investigates his scientist friend, ect. you see what im getting at there.

i think that'd be a good way to handle alot of the teammates as well.

[Elite Midget]

The thing that you forget is that the Reapers are still not here and wont be here for at least a year after ME2 based on the Novels.

[Bamboozalist]

Arcian wrote...
(sigh)
I knew the answer all along, but I don't really want it to be true. I liked her better in ME1.

I liked Liara better in ME1 too.

Stupid BioWare.

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[Elite Midget]

Clonedzero wrote...
 oh i think viarables should be considered in everything.

like garrus for example, if he's alive then cool, but if he lived through ME2 and you ignored his loyalty mission he should be a cameo with his own squad like you suggested earlier, but if you had his loyalty mission and he lived then he should stick with shepard acting as his "bro" or whatever lol.

thats where i think alot of the squadmate vs cameos should be determined, if you had them live but not loyal then they go off to handle their stuff and dont really join back up with shepard. miranda goes off to help her sister instead of sticking with shepard, tali goes to deal with her trial, mordin investigates his scientist friend, ect. you see what im getting at there.

i think that'd be a good way to handle alot of the teammates as well.

So you're asking for them to make him a Squaddie and a Cameo? While under the assumption that he can't contribute to the ME3 plot because he can be a Squaddie, Cameo, or be Dead along with other variables? Maybe if Bioware had infinute resources they could do that but you have to face reality. You're asking for way too much for a guy that isn't even alive in all saves.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

The thing that you forget is that the Reapers are still not here and wont be here for at least a year after ME2 based on the Novels.

No one has ever debated that, most of us are expecting 2 years after ME2 to similar to the time release dates. The main problem with Thane dying off screen is off screen deaths are usually met with such rage that while writting wise it's the smart thing to do sales wise I don't see EA/Bioware doing it.