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[Wulphe]

http://social.biowar...46067/1#6046116

Accroding to the short story written by the Dev team... well...

Anders: "And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up."

So.. a sword through the chest compared to a dagger in the back. If Anders survives this, does that mean if you kill him in during The Last Straw, he survives that too? Is he just playing dead? Or is he not immortal?

I'd *really* love a dev post here.

[Kawamura]

Justice lived in a corpse for awhile, so doesn't even seem like the body needs to be alive.

And, hey, with rigor mortis, he'd still be a possible LI! /bad joke

[Wulphe]

Yeah, I know the "soul" of Justice is immortal, but this story seems to suggest Anders' body is kinda immortal now too.

Is anyone else freaking out over this thought as much as I am? I feel like I have to rethink his character. In the end when he waits for you to kill him, or not, is he silently snickering? XD

Not that I did kill him, but man... what a thought.

[Torax]

Wulphe wrote...

Yeah, I know the "soul" of Justice is immortal, but this story seems to suggest Anders' body is kinda immortal now too.

Is anyone else freaking out over this thought as much as I am? I feel like I have to rethink his character. In the end when he waits for you to kill him, or not, is he silently snickering? XD

Not that I did kill him, but man... what a thought.

I'm not cause it could just end up as yet another thing ret coned...

[Kawamura]

Wulphe wrote...

Yeah, I know the "soul" of Justice is immortal, but this story seems to suggest Anders' body is kinda immortal now too.

Is anyone else freaking out over this thought as much as I am? I feel like I have to rethink his character. In the end when he waits for you to kill him, or not, is he silently snickering? XD

Not that I did kill him, but man... what a thought.

I wouldn't imagine Anders knows. If his cause is done, he probably thinks he'll die: either because Justice will leave him and let him die or he'll die and Justice will take over completely.

I don't think anything that was going on was Anders laughing at you. .____. Either that, or he suddenly went from a really ****ty liar to the best (and most evil) one in the whole wide world in a very short time frame.

[Wulphe]

Kawamura wrote...

Wulphe wrote...

Yeah, I know the "soul" of Justice is immortal, but this story seems to suggest Anders' body is kinda immortal now too.

Is anyone else freaking out over this thought as much as I am? I feel like I have to rethink his character. In the end when he waits for you to kill him, or not, is he silently snickering? XD

Not that I did kill him, but man... what a thought.

I wouldn't imagine Anders knows. If his cause is done, he probably thinks he'll die: either because Justice will leave him and let him die or he'll die and Justice will take over completely.

I don't think anything that was going on was Anders laughing at you. .____. Either that, or he suddenly went from a really ****ty liar to the best (and most evil) one in the whole wide world in a very short time frame.

Anders claims to see what is happening when Justice takes over, so he must know he was *impaled with a sword through the chest* and survived just fine.

Supposedly he and Justice can't be seperated. I think that's probably rubbish though since we can free Conor from being an abomination in DA:O. As a matter of fact you can do it without killing the demon if you simply intimidate her. So maybe he thinks Justice will let him die. Also probably unlikely since Justice stays around if you spare Anders' life and you run away together. His cause isn't exactly done either. The war can still go either way. There's still more fighting left to do.

I didn't mean he's litterally laughing, but maybe testing you? Either way he would go from being a "really ****ty liar" "omgwtf?? You just chewed and spit out my innocence, you demon!", and my soul would be further crushed by Bioware. (I mean that in a good way, soul crushing story = success)

[DeaHamlet]

He's going to be alive and going all "U MAD".

LOLz.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Connor was different. As Jowan pointed out, the demon was not inside him: it approached him through his dreams, and it controls him via the Fade. Justice, on the other hand, is inside Anders and no longer resides in the Fade (as Justice comments if you take him into the Fade with you).

[Torax]

Wulphe wrote...

Anders claims to see what is happening when Justice takes over, so he must know he was *impaled with a sword through the chest* and survived just fine.

Supposedly he and Justice can't be seperated. I think that's probably rubbish though since we can free Conor from being an abomination in DA:O. As a matter of fact you can do it without killing the demon if you simply intimidate her. So maybe he thinks Justice will let him die. Also probably unlikely since Justice stays around if you spare Anders' life and you run away together. His cause isn't exactly done either. The war can still go either way. There's still more fighting left to do.

I didn't mean he's litterally laughing, but maybe testing you? Either way he would go from being a "really ****ty liar" "omgwtf?? You just chewed and spit out my innocence, you demon!", and my soul would be further crushed by Bioware. (I mean that in a good way, soul crushing story = success)

Keep in mind Justice maybe unique in his fashion. Reason being Justice was in the fade when he was ripped out of it and into the corpse of a dead Grey Warden by an extremely powerful pride demon. So that could have completey changed the rules of the game. For example when Anders goes into the face in dragon age 2. It's both of them at the same time. Justice isn't there alone, for whatever reason they are still linked there.

Modifié par Torax, 31 mars 2011 - 06:37 .

[Kawamura]

Wulphe wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Wulphe wrote...

Yeah, I know the "soul" of Justice is immortal, but this story seems to suggest Anders' body is kinda immortal now too.

Is anyone else freaking out over this thought as much as I am? I feel like I have to rethink his character. In the end when he waits for you to kill him, or not, is he silently snickering? XD

Not that I did kill him, but man... what a thought.

I wouldn't imagine Anders knows. If his cause is done, he probably thinks he'll die: either because Justice will leave him and let him die or he'll die and Justice will take over completely.

I don't think anything that was going on was Anders laughing at you. .____. Either that, or he suddenly went from a really ****ty liar to the best (and most evil) one in the whole wide world in a very short time frame.

Anders claims to see what is happening when Justice takes over, so he must know he was *impaled with a sword through the chest* and survived just fine.

Supposedly he and Justice can't be seperated. I think that's probably rubbish though since we can free Conor from being an abomination in DA:O. As a matter of fact you can do it without killing the demon if you simply intimidate her. So maybe he thinks Justice will let him die. Also probably unlikely since Justice stays around if you spare Anders' life and you run away together. His cause isn't exactly done either. The war can still go either way. There's still more fighting left to do.

I didn't mean he's litterally laughing, but maybe testing you? Either way he would go from being a "really ****ty liar" "omgwtf?? You just chewed and spit out my innocence, you demon!", and my soul would be further crushed by Bioware. (I mean that in a good way, soul crushing story = success)

The demon is in the Fade. Justice is not. There's something freaky deaky going on with Justice and Anders that wasn't with Conor.

[Wulphe]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Connor was different. As Jowan pointed out, the demon was not inside him: it approached him through his dreams, and it controls him via the Fade. Justice, on the other hand, is inside Anders and no longer resides in the Fade (as Justice comments if you take him into the Fade with you).

Good point. So Janders can't be seperated, even if Justice wants to so... Anders should believe he will live though his "execution", right?

Again, what's a little dagger to the back when you were fully impaled with a sword?!

So.. Anders wakes up after the epilogue and goes, "Wtf, Hawke? I thought we were friends." /sadface.?

[Torax]

What is more amusing is when people try to put the Anders & Justice rule to a normal abom or even try to compare Wynne. While Wynne's is closer to something like Connor's situation? Good luck trying to find a spirit faith. If Mages can't find the beneficial spirits supposedly? It's also not like they cause trouble. They just let really old healers who are kind of preachy move on a few more years. Plus she did die trying to save a bunch of younger people.

Edited to add.

@ Wulp

I'm not even sure Justice would have wanted go. Though even Justice would propably require his own demise for what they did. Both were likiley decided they should die.

Modifié par Torax, 31 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[Wulphe]

Torax wrote...

What is more amusing is when people try to put the Anders & Justice rule to a normal abom or even try to compare Wynne. While Wynne's is closer to something like Connor's situation? Good luck trying to find a spirit faith. If Mages can't find the beneficial spirits supposedly? It's also not like they cause trouble. They just let really old healers who are kind of preachy move on a few more years. Plus she did die trying to save a bunch of younger people.

Edited to add.

@ Wulp

I'm not even sure Justice would have wanted go. Though even Justice would propably require his own demise for what they did. Both were likiley decided they should die.

In DA:OA Justice describes demons and spirits as being the same kind of thing, but demons are corrupted by their desires and spirits are not, so it's not *too* wrong to believe some of the same rules apply. But I guess the particular situation with Justice does give Bioware a little room to bend the rules.

I don't think Justice wants do go either. They say in DA:OA and in DA2 that Justice is afraid of death because spirits don't know what lies beyond either. Also, in DA:OA Justice seems to like being in the mortal realm (making him already begin to sound like a demon with him developing envy and such).

More importantly. DEVS! I need to know! Is this a slip-up, or a metaphor, or is Anders actually immortal? And does killing him at the end of DA2, umm, work?

[KawaiiKatie]

Anders isn't immortal.....
....but he does wear PLOT ARMOUR so thick, I'm not convinced that even the Player Character can pierce it.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 31 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Torax]

You may have to wait like 8 hours or so for a response. I hope you're patient.

[Wulphe]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Anders isn't immortal..... but he does wear PLOT ARMOUR so thick, I'm not entirely convinced that the Player Character can pierce it.

Or, he might actually be immortal. Did you read the line from the story? That's not a fanfic, it's straight from the dev team.

Or, you're being sarcastic (/Merrill fail). Sorry. Funny joke! 

Torax wrote...

You may have to wait like 8 hours or so for a response. I hope you're patient.

Oh, I can wait. I've got hardcore fangirl powers and I need to know! I'll just keep checking every... ten seconds or so...  Keep bumbing the thread 'til someone notices.

Modifié par Wulphe, 31 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Wulphe wrote...

Or, you're being sarcastic (/Merrill fail). Sorry. Funny joke! 

No, no, you just watch! Anders will show up in DA3, Leliana-style. And everyone will say, "But.. but your crisis point!" and then we'll be blinded by the shine of his plot armour.

....and it will be glorious. <3

[True Zarken]

Kill it with fire.

There might be consequences but oh well

Modifié par True Zarken, 31 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[Knightly_BW]

I knew I should cut his head off. Pfft that stabbing is sooo.. unsatisfying.

Actually I wish there was an option to make him tranquil so I could take him back to my mansion and kick him whenver I remember what he did. If he is immortal as you think he will make a good target practice.

[Wulphe]

Asperius wrote...

I knew I should cut his head off. Pfft that stabbing is sooo.. unsatisfying.

Actually I wish there was an option to make him tranquil so I could take him back to my mansion and kick him whenver I remember what he did. If he is immortal as you think he will make a good target practice.

Oh god.. you're so cruel! Lol 

[dantares83]

i don't think he can be made tranquill.. When he was summoning Justice, Karl actually managed to snap back to reality for a few seconds, so that is how powerful he is...

I don't think a knife wound can killed him, even if he did, he would came back as Justice alone...

[Knightly_BW]

dantares83 wrote...

i don't think he can be made tranquill.. When he was summoning Justice, Karl actually managed to snap back to reality for a few seconds, so that is how powerful he is...

I don't think a knife wound can killed him, even if he did, he would came back as Justice alone...

Hmm then I should plan better punishment for him. How about feeding him to Flemeth? I guess she likes saucy Anders on breakfast.

[Torax]

I don't think he's powerful. Just it's the power of the Fade in this world. It was there for a split second. Or yet again the Plot ripped the Lore a new one. It seems to love doing that in DA2.

[Eollodwyn]

It's possible he figured Justice would let him die.  Did anyone see this banter between him and Isabela:

Anders: There is justice in the world.
Isabela: Is there? You want to free the mages. Let's say you do, but to get there, you kill a bunch of innocent people. 
Isabela: What about them? Don't they then deserve justice?
Anders: Yes.
Isabela: And then what? Where does it end?It's like a bar brawl. People are continuously pulled into the fray, and nobody remembers why it started.
Isabela: Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world.


It seems like he honestly thought that justice would be served by his paying for his crime, as much as by his committing it.  It's kind of sad, really.  He knew what he had to do, but he knew he would hate himself for it and would have to die.


That said, I so hope he's not dead.  I haven't liked a video game character this much in a long time.

[Wulphe]

Well, he's not dead in my play throughs at least. I'm just waiting for him to spring back to life and haunt all the people who did decide to kill him in future DLC. Lol.