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[Foolsfolly]

I'm usually not this type of player. I'm the kind that's usually about the story/characters and whole relationship stuff is there only to agument the story; which in a BioWare game means adding a more personal stake to the story.

Whenever I see these kinds of suggests, like Shepard having kids, it usually upsets me a touch. I'm just not a shipper in any way shape or fashion. I do not want Date Night DLC for any game.

However, the thought occured to me recently and I cannot shake it from my head. The game takes place over 7 years and Hawke eventually gets dragged into the Mage/Templar argument. An argument I honestly felt was impersonal to Hawke's story as there were no real stakes for Hawke; unless you played a Mage but Hawke seems above the law as a Mage.

We also have relationships which occur over a long set of time (6 years) with one time jump. And I thought it would have been a good idea if Hawke had a child during that break.

The child would serve an important story point; Hawke has a life in Kirkwall and a possible stake in the Mage/Templar arugment. We know the Amell family line has mages and we know magic flows in bloodlines so there's every chance that the child would be a mage. And while the child's too young to show any magical ability (something it never should show for this game's sake) what if the child did?

Would Hawke turn the child over to the Circle? What if the child is made Tranquiled or some other horrible thing? Likewise, if the child isn't taught properly then there's a huge possiblity due to the thinned Veil in Kirkwall that the child would become an Abomination.

So, here it is. The choice between Mage/Templar hits home for Hawke. When its time to back up Hawke's convictions what would Hawke do?

And then Hawke's fighting for a purpose in the end. Hawke has a new family and must protect their child.

And I know what you're thinking; there's the Dalish and what about same-sex relationships?

Same sex relationships are easy, a completely Optional Side Quest has you adopt a Ferelden orphan. The chances of the child being a mage are slim, which is why you have a sister/brother/parent as a mage who's been killed. There's a chance the orphan can be a mage. Each Love Interest could have their own way of bringing up the adoption quest (for example I find it hard to think Isabela would bring up wanting to adopt a child so Hawke might have to bring this up). But the key here is that it's optional, just like doing a romance at all is optional.

And as for the Dalish, bringing a mage child to the Dalish is always an option (unless it isn't later on) but until you have proof that your child's a mage there's no reason to seperate yourself from your child.

So, what say you to this idea? Should Hawke have had a child?

[Talladarr]

Okay, I LOVE this idea. And I wholeheartedly agree. It would be extremely interesting to see how that went. I'd still side with the mages, then get Bethany to teach the child, if Hawke wasn't a mage herself, And is she was, well, she's one of the few non-abominations in Kirkwall, that's gotta say soemthing about how she was taught =3

[Vuokseniska]

yeah.... i am not going to a a mini babysitting game

[Jean]

I don't think Hawke/AbominationAnders babies would of worked out too well.

Modifié par Batteries, 31 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[ExiledMimic]

No one in the Hawke line (except Bethany) ever needs to reproduce. If Bethany died in Lothering then sorry for your luck, guys. Neither brother (or sister/brother) should pass along their genes. Leandra proved that one in Act 2.

[Talladarr]

I'm not sure how I 'd do it of course. Femhawke, +Merrill/Isabella.... OMG! ZEVRAN'S THE FATHER xDDDDD

[TheBlackBaron]

Wouldn't be opposed to it, but for some relationships it would an extremely dicey proposition (Anders in particular). Not to mention that with how the rest of Hawke's family gets treated the kid would have a life expectancy of about two main quests.

I think I'd rather have had more development with the family members that are already there before giving thought to bringing in a new one.

[Lianaar]

I personally would have enjoyed such a twist in story. However I am also aware that the topic of children and endangering children is quite touchy a subject for many. A chance that the child becomes an abomination, gets thorn from the mother or father (who is your playing character) or gets hunted down in order to be killed mentally or physically would be likely received with a little distance by many. There are certain topics that I believe game makers do avoid happening to the character, such as being raped, having your child harmed, or living as a slave (not temporarily where you can break free, but as in a slave, that needs to serve food and stand in line and not having an option to speak up or else...)

I can but repeat, I personally would have enjoyed such a game realism and the moral dilemmas it would raise immensely. I still accept that for many this is not an acceptable way of story telling.

[Foolsfolly]

Lianaar wrote...

I personally would have enjoyed such a twist in story. However I am also aware that the topic of children and endangering children is quite touchy a subject for many. A chance that the child becomes an abomination, gets thorn from the mother or father (who is your playing character) or gets hunted down in order to be killed mentally or physically would be likely received with a little distance by many. There are certain topics that I believe game makers do avoid happening to the character, such as being raped, having your child harmed, or living as a slave (not temporarily where you can break free, but as in a slave, that needs to serve food and stand in line and not having an option to speak up or else...)

I can but repeat, I personally would have enjoyed such a game realism and the moral dilemmas it would raise immensely. I still accept that for many this is not an acceptable way of story telling.

That's why I couldn't shake the idea out of my head. The Templar/Mage argument would have an innocent face on it, Hawke's child and Hawke's future. How would you want that child raised now? How pro-mage are you if your child might be a mage? How pro-templar are you if your child's a mage?

It makes the argument extremely personal to Hawke.

[MoonLight]

My fem Hawke + Anders + child...

Yes, I love this idea.

[Deztyn]

Batteries wrote...

I don't think Hawke/AbominationAnders babies would of worked out too well.

AbominationAnders babies would be awesome. It would give him a more personal motive for the Big Boom-- trying to secure a new world for his child's future.

I approve of this idea.

[Talladarr]

although I'm lesbain and have no interest i nthe male companions availble to you in the game, The new Zevran is sexy, and me ans Isabella went and had a 3-way with him x]
"what? You're leaving already? What about sex?!"
"Well, there is ALWAYS time for that"
"Umm, hello, I'm standing right here."
"You can come too Hawke,"
"Ze more Ze merrier."
x]

[dgcatanisiri]

A wide world of no, at least in my playthroughs - m!preg squicks the hell out of me.

On the other hand, if Hawke ADOPTED a Ferelden refugee child, there might have been something of interest there. For starters, none of the baby crap that would have to be dealt with in the first few years. It also would have been a way to give a visible way of showing the passage of years, as we see the child grow up. Perhaps by the third act, they could even join the party. At the very least, it would give Hawke another family member, show that Hawke's really trying to make a home in Kirkwall, rather than let it be a waypoint between Lothering and wherever Hawke ends up after the game.

[jaybee93]

No... DA does not need a Wesley Crusher type. Yikes.

[dantares83]

maybe a DLC?

[Talladarr]

jaybee93 wrote...

No... DA does not need a Wesley Crusher type. Yikes.

Hey! No bagging on one of my favorite TNG characters! lol, Wesley was AWESOME

[Knightly_BW]

My male mage Hawke and Fenris can try to have one. I doubt about results but I guess they have so much fun while trying.

[jaybee93]

Talladarr wrote...

jaybee93 wrote...

No... DA does not need a Wesley Crusher type. Yikes.

Hey! No bagging on one of my favorite TNG characters! lol, Wesley was AWESOME

To be fair, I liked him too, but I was pretty young when TNG was on. Now I don't think I'd be so keen!

[Foolsfolly]

jaybee93 wrote...

No... DA does not need a Wesley Crusher type. Yikes.

Kid doesn't have to be brilliant, just has to be a kid. I dislike the know it all kid sterotype too. Just a child so the plot is more personal to Hawke. Either to protect a possibly mage child from the Circle or to protect their child from rabid mages.

I think the plot would really strike home with that.

Although, I will also accept the whole 'We already have siblings' argument. If they had been around for more of the game then there'd be a more personal reason for the finale. But considering how many times Hawke can tell Fenris that after you're done running you start again....well, what if Hawke did start anew in Kirkwall?

I wanted to dislike this idea. I really dislike the idea of Shepard having a child (largely because it's a warship not a family home, but also because when you're trying to punch out Cthulhu and are dealing with slavers, pirates, and terrorist daily having a kid is extremely reckless) . But with Hawke? We have a servert/slave, Bodahn and Sandel, a family home, and long stretches of time where the Hawke family can have peace.

Plus, come on. One Sandal/Child scene would have been worth it.

[Talladarr]

Foolsfolly wrote...

jaybee93 wrote...

No... DA does not need a Wesley Crusher type. Yikes.

Kid doesn't have to be brilliant, just has to be a kid. I dislike the know it all kid sterotype too. Just a child so the plot is more personal to Hawke. Either to protect a possibly mage child from the Circle or to protect their child from rabid mages.

I think the plot would really strike home with that.

Although, I will also accept the whole 'We already have siblings' argument. If they had been around for more of the game then there'd be a more personal reason for the finale. But considering how many times Hawke can tell Fenris that after you're done running you start again....well, what if Hawke did start anew in Kirkwall?

I wanted to dislike this idea. I really dislike the idea of Shepard having a child (largely because it's a warship not a family home, but also because when you're trying to punch out Cthulhu and are dealing with slavers, pirates, and terrorist daily having a kid is extremely reckless) . But with Hawke? We have a servert/slave, Bodahn and Sandel, a family home, and long stretches of time where the Hawke family can have peace.

Plus, come on. One Sandal/Child scene would have been worth it.

I completely agree, having some little child(Randomly picked boy/girl) and Sandal scean would be great =3

[Lianaar]

Foolsfolly wrote...
That's why I couldn't shake the idea out of my head. The Templar/Mage argument would have an innocent face on it, Hawke's child and Hawke's future. How would you want that child raised now? How pro-mage are you if your child might be a mage? How pro-templar are you if your child's a mage?

It makes the argument extremely personal to Hawke.

While I agree with this, I also think it would not be a good idea to release such a thing into a game that goes out to uncounted people. It is something that happens in a P&P Game (actually something that did happen to one of my characters in a similarly heavy decision environment) where people know each other and where the DM is aware of the ooc personality limits (affected by RL experiences and tragedies) of the players and can alter the story to a state where consequences are still there, but the player OOCly doesn't feel uncomfortable. Endangering the life of your own child in any manner will make a lot of people oocly uncomfortable enough not to want to go on with the game.  I think the risk of this discomfort is too high just yet. There are some topics which are better not addressed, like... like there were no bisexual or homosexual options in RPG games 20 years ago. And now it is something that does have a place within the games, though it raises many complaints as well from people. You do have to consider what the target group of the game can handle so to say. I might be wrong in presuming where the limits of the society is. Having been plotter for an online game where child characters were allowed, I found that in that target group this topic is way too sensitive to be handled easily. Not because the stories told are not interesting or engaging, just , for the lack of better word, too touchy.

Though naturally it would have been quite interesting, naturally it would have altered the LIs too, since I don't think Anders, Fenris or Isabela would have taken lightely to such an idea. Anders is a fighter, having a child as such means he directly puts the child into risk. What sort of life can he offer for a child and its mother (since I play female chars)?  Isabela as mother to a child would be interesting, seeing if she can live up to the expectations she has toward mothers (seen in Aveline-.Isabela banter). Fenris would likely cope rather badly with it, since he is just getting accustomed to the fact he is free and self-dependent. A family would tie him down and he would just be a slave to the character and child instead of a free man deciding for having a family. Considering legally he is still a slave in Tevinter (since he was never freed), I wonder if the child would be seen as a slave too. Though giving Fenris a mage kid would be priceless. Meril seems to be from my perspective the one that would handle it the best. It would provide for quite a dynamics. Maybe if one of your companions suddenly announced: sorry, I am leaving your party since I am becoming mother and killing bandits in the night streets isn't serving my kids' interest... that would be safer. Then said npc companion can return asking for your help as the child shows magic talent...

[Lianaar]

Talladarr wrote...
I completely agree, having some little child(Randomly picked boy/girl) and Sandal scean would be great =3

*shudders*, you mean Sandal, who occasionally accidentally blows up houses? Who freezes an ogre just like that, with means unknown to me? Who can safely work with a lyrium idol, that made countless people insane, cleaning it enough not to affect me? (Well, let's presume it didn't affect me, it still might...). Who likely bathed in more darkspawn blood then my Hawke ever?  And letting him play with a kid? I am not exactly sure I would like that kid to be my Hawke's.

[Raygereio]

Given that BioWare's stance on family in DA2 appears to be "Kill'em all!! It worked for George R.R. Martin!", I'd say this idea could only have ended badly.

[Talladarr]

Rofl, I suppose you have a good point Lianaar

[Foolsfolly]

Lianaar wrote...

Talladarr wrote...
I completely agree, having some little child(Randomly picked boy/girl) and Sandal scean would be great =3

*shudders*, you mean Sandal, who occasionally accidentally blows up houses? Who freezes an ogre just like that, with means unknown to me? Who can safely work with a lyrium idol, that made countless people insane, cleaning it enough not to affect me? (Well, let's presume it didn't affect me, it still might...). Who likely bathed in more darkspawn blood then my Hawke ever?  And letting him play with a kid? I am not exactly sure I would like that kid to be my Hawke's.

That's the hilarity of the scene, man! Can't you see Hawke and Bodahn being a touched freaked out by this? I mean, Bodahn doesn't want Sandal touching salamanders let alone a kid! 

It would have been hilarious.