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[celuloid]

Nashiktal wrote...

celuloid wrote...

And Alliance will come out stronger? What are you smoking? I want it too. My point is, 90% of people dead (or more, humanity is still concentrated on Earth) means struggle for survival.

Nope. You're thinking in categories so retarded, that I can't hope to explain the whole thing to you. But try to think of it this way: there are 150 million people living in Nigeria and only 22.5 in Australia. Which nation fares better?

Well, would Australia fare any better if we killed 20 million Australians?

Nope but Humanity would still be going strong. That analogy kinda proves his point actually.

Well, he makes analogy between races and nations. Humanity is obviously represented by super-smart Australians, while other species are 3rd world nations like Nigeria. Even if humanity had this much upper hand in extremely competitive ME environment, they would lose, because if someone with superior numbers decides you will become his "client state", you will lose in direct war.

Modifié par celuloid, 02 avril 2011 - 07:12 .

[Ahriman]

Khemical wrote...
Whatever the case, it would be really interesting to see Shepherd put on trial before either the Council or the Alliance. Then all the Normandy crew can come forward to speak on his behalf. Maybe make it a mission, and only 2 of the crew can accompany him to the trial and depending on if they are loyal or not it could affect the outcome.

Even 12 crewmates won't help here. Such trial will be a simple formality before putting Shep in prison in order to calm down batarians.

[Zulu_DFA]

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it hurts you that I speak in a logical manner than maybe these forums aren't for you.

What you said is in no way logical Elite.  Nowhere in ME:1 or ME:2 is it stated that the Reapers CANNOT get here without using the Citadel. All we are told is that the Reapers usually use it to get straight to the seat of power to take them out and disable all of the Relays and Communications.  That is all.  The fact that this plan failed and that the Reapers resorted to plan B (fly there) is in no way a Retcon.

In fact the very last thing shep says at the end of ME1 is "the reapers are coming", i mean serioulsy.

"the Reapers are still out there", actually

So... where is that line?

But I recall, now, It's both:

"The reapers are still out there. They are coming..."

So my quote it still closer to the original text. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

[Zulu_DFA]

celuloid wrote...

celuloid wrote...

And Alliance will come out stronger? What are you smoking? I want it too. My point is, 90% of people dead (or more, humanity is still concentrated on Earth) means struggle for survival.

Nope. You're thinking in categories so retarded, that I can't hope to explain the whole thing to you. But try to think of it this way: there are 150 million people living in Nigeria and only 22.5 in Australia. Which nation fares better?

Well, would Australia fare any better if we killed 20 million Australians?

No, but it sure wouldn't fare any worse, if we killed 150 million Nigerians.

[Thompson family]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

"The reapers are still out there. They are coming..."

So my quote it still closer to the original text. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

True -- it was a very accurate quote of the non-relevant portion.

[piemanz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
So my quote it still closer to the original text. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Maybe so, but it's kind of irrelevant since my post was pointing out that shepard knew they were coming in ME1 and that the citadel is not the only way for them to get here.

Modifié par piemanz, 01 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[1Nosphorus1]

Probably the best guess is that he'll end up in jail or some ****, be stripped of whatever (So he's level 1 again) and we'll have a chance to change his class etc.

This would probably also be the reason why Shepard in the trailer turned his back on London, Earth, he's probably thinking it's best to save a colony that's more important (or didn't torture him)

[PrinceLionheart]

 I've been thinking about it, and I'm confident this trial will have a predetermined result. Shep is going to be found guilty, and as consequence, will be exiled from earth. Sets up the stage for the "Exiled Warrior" to return home to save the day.

[jbblue05]

@Zulu
the only way I can see the Alliance benefit from losing Earth is if all the other races lose 99.99% of their population also. The Alliance just wouldn't have the manpower to competet with the other races. and will be demoted to a client race .


I hope Shepard isn't forced to willimg turn himself into the Alliance.

Paragon Shepard I can understand but Renegades are ruthless in their goals to defeat the Reapers

[Elite Midget]

This is the part where you're forced to surrender yourself even if you're a Renegade and have taken less smack from impossible odds and stronger opponents.

Even than... How would anyone really know about wha Shepard did without some handwaving? Sure, if you betrayed TIM he might leak it but if you're loyal to TIM he would NEVER let Shepard get put on trial since he needs Shepard to fight the Reapers.

TIM also bears a lot of Clout in the Alliance Corruption Circle and has a history of editing out information so as to protect those of interest to him.

[Nashiktal]

jbblue05 wrote...

@Zulu
the only way I can see the Alliance benefit from losing Earth is if all the other races lose 99.99% of their population also. The Alliance just wouldn't have the manpower to competet with the other races. and will be demoted to a client race .


I hope Shepard isn't forced to willimg turn himself into the Alliance.

Paragon Shepard I can understand but Renegades are ruthless in their goals to defeat the Reapers

The Alliance already doesn't have the manpower to compete with other races. Humans have been in the galactic community for around twenty years. The Turians for a few thousand, the Asari and Salarians for even more.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 01 avril 2011 - 09:38 .

[jbblue05]

I think putting Shepard on trial will accomplish nothing .

The Batarians want blood and not just Shepard's.
Regardless if the Alliance uses Shepard as a scapegoat it won't stop the Batarian Hegemony from having its extremists retaliate.

I think its best if the Alliance tries to deny all involvement of humans including Shepard.
The war with the Batarians is inevitablte, they just want an excuse to attack the Alliance.
Using Shepard as a scapegoat will further infuriate the Batarians and is a bad PR move for the Alliance, with all that has happen in ME2 and Retribution.

[jbblue05]

Nashiktal wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

@Zulu
the only way I can see the Alliance benefit from losing Earth is if all the other races lose 99.99% of their population also. The Alliance just wouldn't have the manpower to competet with the other races. and will be demoted to a client race .


I hope Shepard isn't forced to willimg turn himself into the Alliance.

Paragon Shepard I can understand but Renegades are ruthless in their goals to defeat the Reapers

The Alliance already doesn't have the manpower to compete with other races. Humans have been in the galactic community for around twenty years. The Turians for a few thousand, the Asari and Salarians for even more.

The Alliance is growing in strength and forced their way onto the Cpuncil after 26 years on the Galactic scene.
Joining the COuncil means the COuncil races respect the Alliance  as equals or part of the elite.

But if 99.99% of the humsn population is destroyred Humanity will become a joke.

Modifié par jbblue05, 01 avril 2011 - 09:47 .

[Nashiktal]

Earth 99 percent of humanity? That is way off base and you know it. Humanity is respected for fighting to protect the citadel, and it's aggressive politics.

Losing Earth would be a problem for colony growth, but otherwise it frees up food production, and resources to other colonies. If Earth was to be relived of it's manpower, it would contribute nothing of worth the humanity at large.

[InHarmsWay]

I'm guessing half of Earth's population will be lost. Minimum.

[jbblue05]

Nashiktal wrote...

Earth 99 percent of humanity? That is way off base and you know it. Humanity is respected for fighting to protect the citadel, and it's aggressive politics.

Losing Earth would be a problem for colony growth, but otherwise it frees up food production, and resources to other colonies. If Earth was to be relived of it's manpower, it would contribute nothing of worth the humanity at large.

their is approximately 11.4 billion humans on Earth and the Sol System  and their has to be 25-35 million humans living outside the Sol System.

Do the Math.

[Zulu_DFA]

jbblue05 wrote...

@Zulu
the only way I can see the Alliance benefit from losing Earth is if all the other races lose 99.99% of their population also.

How are you going to measure the percentage of the population loss of the Geth?

jbblue05 wrote...

The Alliance just wouldn't have the manpower to competet with the other races. and will be demoted to a client race

Last I checked, there weren't any signs of conscritption in the Alliance military, and 3200 dead in a battle is considered heavy losses. I bet, however, that even a few dozen million extrasolar Human population is enough to replenish those losses in next to no time.

It is also worth mentionin, that, according to the Codex, that the Alliance military is extraordinarily efficient, compared to other militaries, due to the better emphasis on tactics, logistics, support, and fancy equipment, and lesser reliance on the manpower.

The Alliance would definitely go down, if it's military might is sacrificed in a premature engagment with the Reapers in an attempt to save Earth's population. Therefore, as soon as the Reapers strike at Earth, it's population must be written off as casualties, for the sake of the Alliance and not the least for the sake of galactic survival. It's damn shame, but it's war.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 avril 2011 - 10:22 .

[Wulfram]

The colonies are definitely the future for humanity, but they're a long way from being able to stand on their own - particularly since the Alliance's policy of reckless expansionism means they're so poorly defended.

[Whatever42]

jbblue05 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Earth 99 percent of humanity? That is way off base and you know it. Humanity is respected for fighting to protect the citadel, and it's aggressive politics.

Losing Earth would be a problem for colony growth, but otherwise it frees up food production, and resources to other colonies. If Earth was to be relived of it's manpower, it would contribute nothing of worth the humanity at large.

their is approximately 11.4 billion humans on Earth and the Sol System  and their has to be 25-35 million humans living outside the Sol System.

Do the Math.

Yup. Losing the Earth entirely would finish off the human species. The Batarians would roll up our colonies on the edge of the Terminus systems. If we were lucky, we would become pets of the Turians.

[SuperEngineer]

Shepard's Trial should be on the citadel.

Judge: Commander Shepard, how do you plead?

Shepard: I plead awesome, your honor.

[Zulu_DFA]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yup. Losing the Earth entirely would finish off the human species. The Batarians would roll up our colonies on the edge of the Terminus systems. If we were lucky, we would become pets of the Turians.

Please, explain, how the 11.4 billion lazy earthworms have been preventing the Batarians' rolling up our colonies since 2157.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[Elite Midget]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yup. Losing the Earth entirely would finish off the human species. The Batarians would roll up our colonies on the edge of the Terminus systems. If we were lucky, we would become pets of the Turians.

You're implying the colonies can't defend themselves and that the military is only on Earth? Or that the Citadel will le a Council Race get invaded by the Batarians which they already have a bad history with? Sure they wont protect the Alliance if they are the aggressors but they wont sit around if the Batarians start up a full fledged invasion on Humanity.

[jbblue05]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

[How are you goint to measure the percentage of the population loss of the Geth?

A pinprick

Last I checked, there weren't any signs of conscritption in the Alliance military, and 3200 dead in a battle is considered heavy losses. I bet, however, that even a few dozen million extrasolar Human population is enough to replenish those losses in next to no time.

11.5 billion is a lot more  than 3200 people.

Their will definently be a "baby boom" post Reaper war.

The losses humanity suffer in losing Earth might be too steep of a hill to climb to compete with the major races, assuming the Reapers focused on humanity.

It is also worht mentionin, that, according to the Codex, that the Alliance military is extraordinarily efficient, compared to other militaries, due to the better emphasis on tactics, logistics, support, and fancy equipment, and lesser reliance on the manpower.

The Alliance needs strategic chechpoints to properly protect what's left of humanity.
This means they might have to abandon rich colonies, because other races like the Batarians or Krogan who may become stronger than the Alliance will attack the weakened Alliance..

Don't forget everyone that survives is going to be salvaging fancy Reaper tech.

The Alliance would definitely go down, if it's military might is sacrificed in a premature engagment with the Reapers in an attempt to save Earth's population. Therefore, as soon as the Reapers strike at Earth, it's population must be written off as casualties, for the sake of the Alliance and not the least for the sake of galactic survival. It's damn shame, but it's war.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Sacrifice the military or Sacrificing Earth.

Either way the Alliance is going to be severely weakened. Arcturus Station leads to the Sol systems mass relay.  Alliance leadership and the Alliance's largest fleet will be destroyed by the Reapers.
 Morality is going to be at an all-time low..

I'm guessing its going to be mandatory to sacrifice Earth or Earth becomes the "final stand" against the Reapers

Judging by the ME3 trailer the Alliance tried to engage the Reapers  but got owned and decided to evacuate as many civillians to regroup elsewhere

[jbblue05]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yup. Losing the Earth entirely would finish off the human species. The Batarians would roll up our colonies on the edge of the Terminus systems. If we were lucky, we would become pets of the Turians.

Please, explain, how the 11.4 billion lazy earthworms have been preventing the Batarians' rolling up our colonies since 2157.

The Alliance needs to do a better job

[Zulu_DFA]

jbblue05 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yup. Losing the Earth entirely would finish off the human species. The Batarians would roll up our colonies on the edge of the Terminus systems. If we were lucky, we would become pets of the Turians.

Please, explain, how the 11.4 billion lazy earthworms have been preventing the Batarians' rolling up our colonies since 2157.

The Alliance needs to do a better job

Enslave the Geth and Bob's your uncle! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]