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[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Because for the Writers of ME3, Earth is much more important then artcurus station.

No, the "Rule of Cool" is obviously more important than anything. So the writers guessed that it must be cool to "listen to the fans" who wanted to visit Earth as some point. But check the poll, they guessed wrong.

True , but Writers don't really care, they don't really see the Alliance and Earth as  different entities in terms of goverment, and while this maybe be so, it's really minor point that they don't want to exploit, and let's be honest why should they?

Because it's been established in ME1 that the Alliance has become separate and independent of Earth after the FCW, and the Alliance's capital is the Arcturus Station.

Thus having Shepard tried by the Alliance anywhere but at the Arcturus Station, without a clear and explicit explanation is next to a retcon, plain and simple.

[Zulu_DFA]

candidate88766 wrote...

However, lets say the Alliance wants to try Shepard for the sake of appearances to the batarians. For something on the scale of killing 300,000 I think it makes sense that the Alliance may have to defer to the Human government in this matter (unless the Alliance is also the government and I've simply missed something).

Fixed your typo, and yes, the Alliance is the "Human government", and the only such, recognized by the Citadel Council and the Galactic comminity. Earth however, remains politically divided between such sovereign states like the United North American States, the European Union, the Chinese Federation, etc. Colonies and installations in the Solar System belong and are operated by one of these Earth's governments or by the Alliance. So yes, the Alliance of course can own a "court room" on Earth, but it would need some reason for that.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Because for the Writers of ME3, Earth is much more important then artcurus station.

No, the "Rule of Cool" is obviously more important than anything. So the writers guessed that it must be cool to "listen to the fans" who wanted to visit Earth as some point. But check the poll, they guessed wrong.

True , but Writers don't really care, they don't really see the Alliance and Earth as  different entities in terms of goverment, and while this maybe be so, it's really minor point that they don't want to exploit, and let's be honest why should they?

Because it's been established in ME1 that the Alliance has become separate and independent of Earth after the FCW, and the Alliance's capital is the Arcturus Station.

Thus having Shepard tried by the Alliance anywhere but at the Arcturus Station, without a clear and explicit explanation is next to a retcon, plain and simple.

The Alliance is not seperate and independent of Earth.  It's independent from being controlled by any one of Earths governments.  The Alliance represents Earth and Earth's colonies.  The Alliance is affiliated with Earths governments. 

Per the codex: Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Because it's been established in ME1 that the Alliance has become separate and independent of Earth after the FCW, and the Alliance's capital is the Arcturus Station.

Thus having Shepard tried by the Alliance anywhere but at the Arcturus Station, without a clear and explicit explanation is next to a retcon, plain and simple.

Yes, but i have to remind they also established in Mass effect 1 that Reapers enter the galaxy via the Citadel Relay, and it was you who created a Theory to compensate for Mass effect 2 lack of explanation, why not just call that a retcon too.

Main point, the Devs don't care about those small details, for them Humanity is one massive entity.

[oksbad]

So instead of waiting for an explanation of the legal situation of the systems alliance and Shepard, we are immediately going to presume that this is a retcon.

Um. Let's agree to disagree.

[Zulu_DFA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is not seperate and independent of Earth.

It is.

Almostfaceman wrote...

It's independent from being controlled by any one of Earths governments.

That's the definition of independence.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance represents Earth and Earth's colonies.

Earths doesn't have any colonies. The Alliance does.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is affiliated with Earths governments. 

Pulling stuff out your ass, man. See your own following Codex quote.

Almostfaceman wrote...

Per the codex: Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.

That means the Earth's nation-states are akin to the colonies of the Systems Alliance, such as Terra Nova, Eden Prime, Ellysium, Shanxi, etc., that are "affiliated" under the banner of the Systems Alliance.

Therefore, if Earth is indeed governed by the Systems Alliance, then the nation-states aren't really sovereign, and Horizon was more of a sovereign state than the UNAS, or EU. And it's still making as little sense for the Alliance to try Sheaprd in one of Earth's nations, as on Eden Prime, Terrra Nova, or any other Alliance affiliated colony, i.e. outside of its political and military center, which is the Arcturus Station.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[didymos1120]

oksbad wrote...

So instead of waiting for an explanation of the legal situation of the systems alliance and Shepard, we are immediately going to presume that this is a retcon.

Well, it's BSN. That's pretty much par for the course here.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is not seperate and independent of Earth.

It is.

Almostfaceman wrote...

It's independent from being controlled by any one of Earths governments.

That's the definition of independence.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance represents Earth and Earth's colonies.

Earths doesn't have any colonies. The Alliance does.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is affiliated with Earths governments. 

Pulling stuff out your ass, man. See your own following Codex quote.

Almostfaceman wrote...

Per the codex: Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.

That means the Earth's nation-states are akin to the colonies of the Systems Alliance, such as Terra Nova, Eden Prime, Ellysium, Shanxi, etc., that are "affiliated" under the banner of the Systems Alliance.

Therefore, if Earth is indeed governed by the Systems Alliance, then the nation-states aren't really sovereign, and Horizon was more of a sovereign state than the UNAS, or EU. And it's still making as little sense for the Alliance to try Sheaprd in one of Earth's nations, as on Eden Prime, Terrra Nova, or any other Alliance affiliated colony, i.e. outside of its political and military cernter, which is Arcturus Station.

No it's my opinion.  Just like your interpretation is your opinion.  You want to point the finger at me about "pulling out of your ass" - I point it back at you. Neither one of us has legal documents spelling out just exactly what "affiliated" means now do we?  Right, we don't.  I read the codex and see closer ties to Earth than you do - get over it.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is not seperate and independent of Earth.

It is.

Almostfaceman wrote...

It's independent from being controlled by any one of Earths governments.

That's the definition of independence.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance represents Earth and Earth's colonies.

Earths doesn't have any colonies. The Alliance does.

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Alliance is affiliated with Earths governments. 

Pulling stuff out your ass, man. See your own following Codex quote.

Almostfaceman wrote...

Per the codex: Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.

That means the Earth's nation-states are akin to the colonies of the Systems Alliance, such as Terra Nova, Eden Prime, Ellysium, Shanxi, etc., that are "affiliated" under the banner of the Systems Alliance.

Therefore, if Earth is indeed governed by the Systems Alliance, then the nation-states aren't really sovereign, and Horizon was more of a sovereign state than the UNAS, or EU. And it's still making as little sense for the Alliance to try Sheaprd in one of Earth's nations, as on Eden Prime, Terrra Nova, or any other Alliance affiliated colony, i.e. outside of its political and military center, which is the Arcturus Station.

The Earth is pretty comfortable with handing over it's "soveriegnty" to the Alliance with regards to Galactic matters.  So yes, in essence, those nations are not as sovereign as they'd like to think now are they?  Because galactic matters are going to ultimately effect all nations.

[Fixers0]

Earth mayby not the Captial of the Alliance, But it is the Capital and heart of Humanity, Earth is much more important and has more power then the Alliance, maybe symbolic, but that doesn't matter.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Because it's been established in ME1 that the Alliance has become separate and independent of Earth after the FCW, and the Alliance's capital is the Arcturus Station.

Thus having Shepard tried by the Alliance anywhere but at the Arcturus Station, without a clear and explicit explanation is next to a retcon, plain and simple.

Yes, but i have to remind they also established in Mass effect 1 that Reapers enter the galaxy via the Citadel Relay, and it was you who created a Theory to compensate for Mass effect 2 lack of explanation, why not just call that a retcon too.

They did not establish anything in ME1. It was what Vigils said, and I was suspecting that Vigil was lying even before ME2 came out.

The Codex can be mistaken about the facts and events that were taking place aeons ago, and/or in secrecy. Shepard can be misled by characters who are lying or are mistaken.

But the Codex can't lie or be mistaken about the offcial facts and events that are the reality of the present day in the ME universe, such as the political outlines of the existing galactic powers.

That is, our real life texbooks can be mistake about the political system of Ancient Egypt, but they can't be mistaken about the political system of the United States.

Fixers0 wrote...

Main point, the Devs don't care about those small details, for them Humanity is one massive entity.

And that's what I am saying. This approach is full of plot holes, retcons and bad writing, and it sucks. Especailly since they went to certain leghts to establish the ME universe in great detail in ME1.

Fixers0 wrote...

Earth mayby not the Captial of the Alliance, But it is the Capital and heart of Humanity, Earth is much more important and has more power then the Alliance, maybe symbolic, but that doesn't matter.

That's right. "Heart of Humanity" and other "symbolic" nonsense doesn't matter. What matters is where the Human fighter carriers are commanded from. And the Batarians whom we're going to appease know that better than anyone.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 avril 2011 - 07:20 .

[DaBigDragon]

Maybe because Earth is the HQ of the Alliance and his or her actions started a political ****storm between the Alliance and Batarian Hegemony?

Modifié par DaBigDragon, 02 avril 2011 - 07:22 .

[darthboro]

didymos1120 wrote...

I don't know why'd you'd think that, since Hackett explicitly says it's about preventing a war with the batarians that can ill be afforded when the Reapers are about to strike.  Hackett's saying, basically, "I have to reveal your involvement in this. It's way too big to just look the other way, and the Alliance isn't going to accept 'Gee, no clue what happened with that, guys.  But it was pretty crazy, right, what with the relay and the death and all that jazz? What a galaxy!'"

Even if Hackett reaveals Shepard involvement, so what?

Systems Alliance Court of Justice: Shepard, you are accused of starting war with batarians.
Shepard: any proof?
SA Court of Justice: Hackett said you smashed an asteroid into the Bahak mass relay.
Shepard: LOLWUT? more proofs?
SA Court of Justice: Hmm, security, let Shepard go.

Modifié par darthboro, 02 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[didymos1120]

darthboro wrote...

Even if Hackett reaveals Shepard involvement, so what?

Systems Alliance Court of Justice: Shepard, you are accused of starting war with batarians.
Shepard: any proof?
SA Court of Justice: Hackett said you smashed an asteroid into the Bahak mass relay.
Shepard: LOLWUT? more proofs?
SA Court of Justice: Hmm, security, let Shepard go.

Well, we weren't discussing that but rather what Hacket meant, so irrelevant.

[Zulu_DFA]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Maybe because Earth is the HQ of the Alliance and his or her actions started a political ****storm between the Alliance and Batarian Hegemony?

=== Stations: Arcturus Station ===

Arcturus Station is the gateway to Sol, a 5-kilometer diameter space station at the trailing Lagrange
point of the gas giant Themis. Construction on Arcturus Station began in 2151 and concluded in 2162. It
was inaugurated in 2156, and has served as the military and political headquarters of the Systems
Alliance from the First Contact War until the present.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

So yes, in essence, those nations are not as sovereign as they'd like to think now are they?  Because galactic matters are going to ultimately effect all nations.

So why again is it decided already that Shepard will need to go to one of the not-so-sovereign Earth's nations for trial, and not to the sovereign Systems Alliance capital?

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Because it's been established in ME1 that the Alliance has become separate and independent of Earth after the FCW, and the Alliance's capital is the Arcturus Station.

Thus having Shepard tried by the Alliance anywhere but at the Arcturus Station, without a clear and explicit explanation is next to a retcon, plain and simple.

Yes, but i have to remind they also established in Mass effect 1 that Reapers enter the galaxy via the Citadel Relay, and it was you who created a Theory to compensate for Mass effect 2 lack of explanation, why not just call that a retcon too.

They did not establish anything in ME1. It was what Vigils said, and I was suspecting that Vigil was lying even before ME2 came out.

The Codex can be mistaken about the facts and events that were taking place aeons ago, and/or in secrecy. Shepard can be misled by characters who are lying or are mistaken.

But the Codex can't lie or be mistaken about the offcial facts and events that are the reality of the present day in the ME universe, such as the political outlines of the existing galactic powers.

That is, our real life texbooks can be mistake about the political system of Ancient Egypt, but they can't be mistaken about the political system of the United States.

Fixers0 wrote...

Main point, the Devs don't care about those small details, for them Humanity is one massive entity.

And that's what I am saying. This approach is full of plot holes, retcons and bad writing, and it sucks. Especailly since they went to certain leghts to establish the ME universe in great detail in ME1.

Fixers0 wrote...

Earth mayby not the Captial of the Alliance, But it is the Capital and heart of Humanity, Earth is much more important and has more power then the Alliance, maybe symbolic, but that doesn't matter.

That's right. "Heart of Humanity" and other "symbolic" nonsense doesn't matter. What matters is where the Human fighter carriers are commanded from. And the Batarians whom we're going to appease know that better than anyone.

I Guess we just differ from opinion because we interpertate the scenes differently, yes i do consider Vigil a weak part in the naritiev but that's not a problem since the rest is pretty clear, stop Saren and Sovereign before the Citadel is activaded, no need for conspiracy,

That aside, i'm glad we agree that the my second point.

Much the same as point  2 , But for the developers and the majority of the players this kind of stuff does indeed matter, for the, Earth, the center of humanity  is much more interesting and 'cooler' then a space station, compare it to a constitutional monarchy the goverment builing has the power,  but the palace of the queen/king is much more populair.

After all, the writers are there to sell the game, not to be lore consistent.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

But for the developers and the majority of the players this kind of stuff does indeed matter, for the, Earth, the center of humanity  is much more interesting and 'cooler' then a space station.

The poll seems to disagree with you and the devs.

Fixers0 wrote...

After all, the writers are there to sell the game, not to be lore consistent.

Lore consistensy is good for sales.

I, for one, have doubts piling up that EA is going to see my money spent on ME3, not in small part due to of all these lore breaches.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 avril 2011 - 08:00 .

[darthboro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So yes, in essence, those nations are not as sovereign as they'd like to think now are they?  Because galactic matters are going to ultimately effect all nations.

So why again is it decided already that Shepard will need to go to one of the not-so-sovereign Earth's nations for trial, and not to the sovereign Systems Alliance capital?

In real life International Court of Justice is placed in The Hague, Netherlands which is a sovereign state, so maybe Systems Alliance Court of Justice or something like that also has an HQ in one of the sovereign states.

IMO Shepard's trial should take place on Arcturus Station but Earth is a tolerable option too.

[Zulu_DFA]

darthboro wrote...

In real life International Court of Justice is placed in The Hague, Netherlands which is a sovereign state, so maybe Systems Alliance Court of Justice or something like that also has an HQ in one of the sovereign states.

IMO Shepard's trial should take place on Arcturus Station but Earth is a tolerable option too.

And in real life no US soldier can ever go to the Hauge to be tried by ICC. Because the US > the ICC.

[celuloid]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
    So yes, the Alliance of course can own a "court room" on Earth, but it would need some reason for that.

Oh man, finally we are up to something. So you allow us the possibility to be tried on Earth after all! Bring on the champagne.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
   

Fixers0 wrote...   
    Because for the Writers of ME3, Earth is much more important then artcurus station.
   

        No, the "Rule of Cool" is obviously more important than anything. So the writers guessed that it must be cool to "listen to the fans" who wanted to visit Earth as some point. But check the poll, they guessed wrong.

Yes, check the poll please. You know, the objective one.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
   

celuloid wrote...   
    Zulu, you really think Alliance fleets still exist during events in ME3 trailer?
   

        Yes. The Reapers seem to fall out of FTL right above London. If their primary goal is to harvest Humanity, that makes sense, as long as they think the Galaxy can't resist them anyway. That means even the Lunar colony is untouched.

   

celuloid wrote...   
    Fleets' objective is to protect Earth and colonies. They obviously failed and goal of ME3 will be to unite other races who would be more or less willing to help you depending on how you treated them.
   

        The Alliance fleets sit at Relay hubs - the Galactic chokepoints, like the Artcurus System. Since the Reapers bypassed it there was no engagement for the Alliance Fleets to get destroyed. And anyway how do you think the "other races" can help if the Alliance fleets got cut like butter?
       
        What we need is a "super-weapon", a "virus" or some kind of "deus ex machina" (beings of light, maybe?) will.

Trailer made it clear that they are fighting Reapers for a week to no avail. I am sure if you were in charge, armed with all Shepard's knowledge of Reapers, you would hold back and hit them with everything you could muster up.
However, Alliance would just get in and get destroyed because Shepard is only lieutenant-level grunt, not director of universe. Yes, we definitely need superweapon we should have at least learned nature of in ME2 (dark energy was hinted at very briefly, and nobody knows what it means anyway; probably some big bang aimed at bad guys).

   

celuloid wrote...
    Which means if you lose all of Earth population, you won't have equipment and you won't have manpower. Good luck with your imperialistic goals then.
   

        Thank you, and I assure you, my imperialistic goals will be more attainable than ever, if the Reapers are kind enough to get destoyed taking only Earth with them. Because 99% of my imperialistic equipment is off earth, and the excessive "manpower" is more of a burden than advantage.

In your universe apparently less people mean more prosperity. Hard to argue with that. I wonder what's next? War is peace? Hate is love? But I guess it will be Lie is truth.
What you do not recognize is importance of homeworld for species whose almost all members still remember living on it. Nobody wants to live on space stations for too long and colonies do not have any culture of itself yet to sustain development of human race. What have we seen so far? Eden Prime is just one train station and Feros is one big concrete wasteland. Most colonies are simply mines and agricultural areas. It would be like throwback to middle-ages.
So 99% of your production is located elsewhere. That is bold statement, because 99% of people in ME universe are living on Earth.
Make a sum of people living in known colonies. It is not more than 110 million, I counted ~15 million. Writers did not give us more information to operate with. So who works in all your production facilities? It seems to me almost all are located on Earth.

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

But for the developers and the majority of the players this kind of stuff does indeed matter, for the, Earth, the center of humanity  is much more interesting and 'cooler' then a space station.

The poll seems to disagree with you and the devs.

Fixers0 wrote...

After all, the writers are there to sell the game, not to be lore consistent.

Lore consistensy is good for sales.

I, for one, have doubts piling up that EA is going to see my money spent on ME3, not in small part due to of all these lore breaches.

Just a couple of notes,

1. i have never said that the trial should be at earth i also agree that such event should take place on arcturus
2. the poll is only about were the trial should take place, maybe you should create a poll that sound, ''what is more imporant to Humanity: Arcturus or Earth.

As evidenced by ME2 you can retcon as much as you want, just make a good presenation and that will cover it up.

[Kaiser Shepard]

darthboro wrote...

Even if Hackett reaveals Shepard involvement, so what?

Systems Alliance Court of Justice: Shepard, you are accused of starting war with batarians.
Shepard: any proof?
SA Court of Justice: Hackett said you smashed an asteroid into the Bahak mass relay.
Shepard: LOLWUT? more proofs?
SA Court of Justice: Hmm, security, let Shepard go.

How about this?

Asari Councilor: The attack on the Bahak system is a matter of some concern, but there is nothing to indicate that Shepard was involved in any way.

Councilor Udina: The investigations by both Citadel Security and the Alliance turned up no new evidence to support your charge.

Admiral Hackett: I personally sent him on a mission into that system!

Salarian Councilor: We've read your reports, Admiral. The testimony of an Alliance admiral working outside the system is hardly compelling proof.

Shepard (on hologram): I resent these accusations. The batarians have been good trading partners as of late

Admiral Hackett: That just let you catch them off-guard!

Shepard: Admiral Hackett, you always seem to be involved when the Alliance turns its back on me. And this must be your new protege... Kaidan Alenko/Ashley Williams, the one claiming I was involved with the Collector attacks.

Kaidan/Ashley: You're the one who allowed the attack to happen, then your people tried to cover it up.

Shepard: Shift the blame to cover your own failures, just like Admiral Hackett. He's taught you well. But what can you expect... from an Alliance soldier?

Kaidan/Ashley: Shepard despises the Alliance and it's truce with the Hegemony, that's why he attacked the Bahak system.

Shepard: You need to learn your place, Kaidan/Ashley. You're not even ready to join the Spectres.

Admiral Hackett: That's not for you to decide, former-Commander.

Asari Councilor: Kaidan's/Ashley's admission into the Spectres is not the purpose of this meeting.

Shepard: This meeting has no purpose. The Alliance is wasting your time, Councilor... and mine.

Kaidan/Ashley: You can't hide behind the Council forever.

Admiral Hackett: There is still one outstanding issue: Dr. Kenson's vision. It may have been triggered by the artifact.

Shepard: Are we allowing dreams of the deceased into evidence now? How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony?

Turian Councilor: I agree, our judgement must be based on facts and evidence, not wild imaginings and reckless speculation.

Salarian Councilor: Do you have anything else to add, Staff Commander Alenko/Operations Chief Williams?

Kaidan/Ashley: You've made your decision, I won't waste my breath.

Asari Councilor: The Council has found no evidence of any connection between Shepard and the attack on the Bahak system. Admiral, your petition to have him disbarred from the Spectres has been denied.

Shepard: I'm glad to see justice was served.

*hologram turns off*

Asari Councilor: This meeting is adjourned.

[Almostfaceman]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

darthboro wrote...

Even if Hackett reaveals Shepard involvement, so what?

Systems Alliance Court of Justice: Shepard, you are accused of starting war with batarians.
Shepard: any proof?
SA Court of Justice: Hackett said you smashed an asteroid into the Bahak mass relay.
Shepard: LOLWUT? more proofs?
SA Court of Justice: Hmm, security, let Shepard go.

How about this?

Asari Councilor: The attack on the Bahak system is a matter of some concern, but there is nothing to indicate that Shepard was involved in any way.

Councilor Udina: The investigations by both Citadel Security and the Alliance turned up no new evidence to support your charge.

Admiral Hackett: I personally sent him on a mission into that system!

Salarian Councilor: We've read your reports, Admiral. The testimony of an Alliance admiral working outside the system is hardly compelling proof.

Shepard (on hologram): I resent these accusations. The batarians have been good trading partners as of late

Admiral Hackett: That just let you catch them off-guard!

Shepard: Admiral Hackett, you always seem to be involved when the Alliance turns its back on me. And this must be your new protege... Kaidan Alenko/Ashley Williams, the one claiming I was involved with the Collector attacks.

Kaidan/Ashley: You're the one who allowed the attack to happen, then your people tried to cover it up.

Shepard: Shift the blame to cover your own failures, just like Admiral Hackett. He's taught you well. But what can you expect... from an Alliance soldier?

Kaidan/Ashley: Shepard despises the Alliance and it's truce with the Hegemony, that's why he attacked the Bahak system.

Shepard: You need to learn your place, Kaidan/Ashley. You're not even ready to join the Spectres.

Admiral Hackett: That's not for you to decide, former-Commander.

Asari Councilor: Kaidan's/Ashley's admission into the Spectres is not the purpose of this meeting.

Shepard: This meeting has no purpose. The Alliance is wasting your time, Councilor... and mine.

Kaidan/Ashley: You can't hide behind the Council forever.

Admiral Hackett: There is still one outstanding issue: Dr. Kenson's vision. It may have been triggered by the artifact.

Shepard: Are we allowing dreams of the deceased into evidence now? How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony?

Turian Councilor: I agree, our judgement must be based on facts and evidence, not wild imaginings and reckless speculation.

Salarian Councilor: Do you have anything else to add, Staff Commander Alenko/Operations Chief Williams?

Kaidan/Ashley: You've made your decision, I won't waste my breath.

Asari Councilor: The Council has found no evidence of any connection between Shepard and the attack on the Bahak system. Admiral, your petition to have him disbarred from the Spectres has been denied.

Shepard: I'm glad to see justice was served.

*hologram turns off*

Asari Councilor: This meeting is adjourned.

LOL, funny.  Just one problem - it ain't gonna be Admiral Hackett who brings you in on the whole thang. He didn't even have official sanction to send you there.  If the trial happens, it'll probably be some batarian schmuck.

[candidate88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

However, lets say the Alliance wants to try Shepard for the sake of appearances to the batarians. For something on the scale of killing 300,000 I think it makes sense that the Alliance may have to defer to the Human government in this matter (unless the Alliance is also the government and I've simply missed something).

Fixed your typo, and yes, the Alliance is the "Human government", and the only such, recognized by the Citadel Council and the Galactic comminity. Earth however, remains politically divided between such sovereign states like the United North American States, the European Union, the Chinese Federation, etc. Colonies and installations in the Solar System belong and are operated by one of these Earth's governments or by the Alliance. So yes, the Alliance of course can own a "court room" on Earth, but it would need some reason for that.

Interesting, Chrome normally picks up on typos <_<.

Also, its not much of a stretch to imagine there is some kind of 'World court' on Earth that Shepard could be tried in. Also, having a trial on Arcturus draws attention to the fact that it was an Alliance matter (I know Hackett says it isn't officially but the Batarians would probably put 2 and 2 together). Having it on Earth in some equivalent of the Crown Court - though presumably on a global level rather than just the level of a single nation. 

Besides, (and this goes against my previous point a tad but oh well) as the mission wasn't technically an Alliance matter, and nor was it offical Spectre business (they have free reign but the Council hadn't asked Shepard to do this) then the only places left to hold the trial are the Human homeworld or the Batarian homeworld. 

Holding it on Arcturus implies to the Batarians that the mission was Alliance operated. Holding it on the Citadel implies it was a Council-approved mission. Both of these damage relations with the Batarians. Holding a trial on Earth makes sense in this case I think.