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[sponge56]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Earth has always been a major focus in the games.

It has? [citation needed]

2 of the 3 possible Shepard backstories are not from Earth and the one that is joined the Alliance to get off Earth. In the games, the closest you come to Earth is stopping a rogue VI on the moon or probing Uranus, if you choose to do so. Humans and their come-uppance in the Galaxy have been a part of the focus of the games, but that focus has not extended beyond them to humanity's original home. The only place I have seen Earth being focused on is in a short teaser trailer for the next game. A teaser trailer that gives virtually no information about what is happening in the Galaxy beyond a little bit about Earth.

And given Bioware's history with conforming what happens in Mass Effect trailers and teasers to what actually happens in the games, I don't think that's much to go on.

ok, maybe not a major focus but shepard is looking at it at the start of me1, it has a codex entry, it has one player backstory and is mentioned by characters throughout the two games (off the top of my head one of them is administrator aneleius who calls it an overpopulated slum).  If we had to go to a trial on acturus station many players who arent on these forums or who dont take such an active intrest in the lore of the game (which is i expect most people who play it or have played it) would just end up going 'huh? oh right acturus station, thats some space station isn't it?' rather than 'wow earth!, I wonder what it looks like in the future etc'

[Soahfreako]

Must.....Not......Agree.....With....ZULU!!! .....Damnit.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

What's going to happen (if the trial happens) is that the writers will come up with a reason.

They've already done that: Hackett said so. And that's a -

*calls Bioware* Yo, Bioware, there's this Zulu guy on your message board, and he keeps sayin' you wrote a plothole - wait why are you laughing I haven't even finished yet...

[candidate88766]

Zeratul20 wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

1. We don't know the full intricate details of humanity's legal system in Mass Effect.

Exactly my point.
High five? (To accentuate the friendly atmosphere.)

*high fives*

[candidate88766]

piemanz wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

You seem to be laboring under the impression that the Alliance can't hold trials on Earth.

This.

Saying the Alliance, a soley human organisation, can't hold a trial on their motherworld or else it's a plot hole, simply makes no sense.

You can argue semantics all day, but this one fact alone destroys any argument against it in my opinion.


Of course, the argument that the Citadel or Arcturas would be better still stands, and is up for debate, but don't claim that  holding it on Earth is a plot hole.

This.

Well, most of it - I've posted why I feel the Citadel or Arcturus may be just as unsuitable for a trial. I agree that holding it on Earth is definetly not a plot hole. Particularly when we don't have ME3's plot for context.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am not even sure if it makes any sense that Shepard will be on trial. As the OP said Shepard may still be a Spectre or he may not. In the case of a Spectre a trial doesn't make sense. What we know is that if a Spectre goes rogue he will be "dealt" with by another Spectre. Maybe a non-Spectre Shepard can have a trial, but I doubt that BW will go into the trouble of splitting the story line for that. So, I truly hope that they get this idea out of their head. ME2 already started with a nonsense situation (forcing Shepard into Cerberus). I hope they don't repeat that again.

To speak the truth, BW already pulled similar nonsense in ME 1 with post Virmire grounding Normany when there was no indications that Shepard fully active Spectre status was still active what from legal point of view could be treated as interference with Spectre dutys.

But what we saw instead was parade of ridiculous situations created with purpose to have completely missplaced story clifhanger... but what's funny despite all of this onsenses... we still catched Saren marching inside Archives on Ilos when normally he should already flooded Citadel with Geth army streaming from conduit... that's why i am well prepared for another idiot balls dropped by ME writers as excuse for another ridiculous situations...<_<

You may be right about that. But I still hope they'll have a better script than a trial.

[Pwener2313]

People need to get over this. This thread has no right to exist and it's topic is both trollish and supports hipocricy.

[SalsaDMA]

Nashiktal wrote...

I have to wonder why people funk that shep's "reinstated" specterhood is actually legit. It was practically the council holding a little treat over your head and calling you a good doggy.

Aside from that, even if shep actually had specter immunity, specters have been fired for less. Saran was fired and that was for attacking a lightly defended colony. Shep blew up a ****ing populated system of a race that is actively hostile against humanity.

Something tells me shep isn't getting a severence package.

Saren was fired for evidence of him working together with the Geth in attacking citadel space. The geth were the bogeymen of the universe at this point in time.

You'd have to compare shepard working WITH the reapers for any kind of comparison with what Saren did.

The whole thing is a farce. There would never have been mentioning a trial in the first place if the writers had done their job proper. The whole DLC seems a weakarsed attempt at forcing an event that should justify a trial against Shepard. Problem with their plot, ofc, being that there is no justification for said trial in what happens, and that the first thing HAckeet blurbs out is more or less "We need to put you on trial for what happened there shepard" just goes to show how little thought the writers actually invested in the lore.

The whole thing seems intent on them having a fixed start in ME3 and needing some weak excuse to get to that starting point without wanting to spend too much time on actually explaining it. So instead of giving us a proper reasoning, or even better, a proper starting point/cause for Shepard to visit Earth, we get hurried writing caused by sharp deadlines and milestones that leave no room for error.

I'm feeling more and more that ME3 will be a rushed thing that will really disapoint us when we were expecting the proper finale for the game instead.

[SalsaDMA]

Pwener2313 wrote...

People are hipcrytes.

3 months ago: "We wanna go to Earth!"

2 weeks ago: "Shepard, your going to Earth"

45 minutes ago: "I don't wanna go to trial (Earth)!"

I don't mind seeing earth.

I DO mind sloppy writing like we are seeing recently from Bioware, and which is, frankly, ruining the immersion the series gives me.

There are any number of ways/reasons they could have had Shepard visit earth. For all their creative abilities they just decided to pick the most lazy and sloppy one, though.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Shepard publically dead for years + Council/Alliance knowing he's alive and not revealing it + Desire for secrecy/strategic planning = Earth is not a bad choice to have a trial

[SalsaDMA]

celuloid wrote...

Thoughts on why topic of this thread is irrelevant:

1. Total factual accuracy does not make for a great story. If I wanted facts I would read encyclopedia.
I do not remember once that somebody mentioned Arcturus Station in conversations. First time I noticed it was in Revelation book.
However, first scene of ME1 is Shepard looking over the Earth. ME1 startup screen is camera overlooking Earth while slowly turning to stars. Scenes like these set up stage for later events. So many people formed connection with Earth and not Arcturus Station.

In other words, you don't care at all about lore. The story doesn't have to be consistent and the characters doesn't have to make sense in their actions or what they say. As long as there are flashy effects, a thumbing beat on the track in the background and some forced drama here and there, you're happy?

2. Bioware can do great opening scene even in Normandy's closets. Especially trial whose only purpose is to make great opening scene. E.g. squad of Spectres catches him, judges appear on holograms and trial starts.

Here's an idea: Why not instead do a great opening scene that is consistent with established lore?

Mindblowing, I know...

3. I took Hackett's comment about coming in blues when Earth calls as a wish to abandon Cerberus and become loyal to Alliance again, especially when humanity will need Shepard badly. Not as coming to trial on Earth or anywhere else.

You mean the comment that fell some time after he had already commented that he wasn't on a cerberus ship?

4. There is far greater concern. I hope we will not be shoehorned into coming to this supposed trial.

My fear is that the supposed trial is Biowares way of trying to 'push the reset button' to facilitate easy access to the game for new players that haven't played the previous 2 games.

Not only do I disagree with the move itself, but I also find their way of making it happen as being extremely sloppy writing.

[SalsaDMA]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Shepard publically dead for years + Council/Alliance knowing he's alive and not revealing it + Desire for secrecy/strategic planning = Earth is not a bad choice to have a trial

Because a non-public trial nobody knows about is gonna do alot for relations with the batarians, right?

[Almostfaceman]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Not only do I disagree with the move itself, but I also find their way of making it happen as being extremely sloppy writing.

We know, you're repeating yourself.

[Almostfaceman]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Here's an idea: Why not instead do a great opening scene that is consistent with established lore?

Mindblowing, I know...

I'm sure by now the devs have checked their snarkmeters, found your argument overwhelmingly true, and they've given you their number so they can call you for a lore-check in the future. Wait, they may have done the same for Zulu, so you guys'll probably have to arm-wrestle over who gets to answer the call.

[SalsaDMA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Not only do I disagree with the move itself, but I also find their way of making it happen as being extremely sloppy writing.

We know, you're repeating yourself.

Just trying to keep up with you

[SalsaDMA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Here's an idea: Why not instead do a great opening scene that is consistent with established lore?

Mindblowing, I know...

I'm sure by now the devs have checked their snarkmeters, found your argument overwhelmingly true, and they've given you their number so they can call you for a lore-check in the future. Wait, they may have done the same for Zulu, so you guys'll probably have to arm-wrestle over who gets to answer the call.

I think they're quite too busy with stresslevels caused by inane deadlines to pay any of these discussions any head, tbh. I'm not even sure if they care about the product anymore either. Stress-inducing management have a tendency to instill that kind of apathic feeling in people at work.

I'm sure you'll get a medal some day, though, for standing up for... er... for.... something.... I guess....

Or maybe not...

[Almostfaceman]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Not only do I disagree with the move itself, but I also find their way of making it happen as being extremely sloppy writing.

We know, you're repeating yourself.

Just trying to keep up with you

Two wrongs don't make a right, man!!  

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 04 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[SalsaDMA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Not only do I disagree with the move itself, but I also find their way of making it happen as being extremely sloppy writing.

We know, you're repeating yourself.

Just trying to keep up with you

Two wrongs don't make a right man!!  

You're sure?

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Modifié par SalsaDMA, 04 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[InfoGuy101]

You know we don't really know how ME3 starts yet and people are getting into such heated debate about it already lol. Maybe we should wait for some solid info on how ME3 starts before we start criticizing it, just saying.....

[Almostfaceman]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I never heard them actually say that it was going to be on earth, I thought he said something along the lines of 'when earth calls...' by that he could be figuratively reffering to humanity as a whole, not necessarily saying that the trial would take place there

That's a good point.

[crimzontearz]

you know...what the hell is it with Bioware lately and forcing things like this on the player?

First cerberus in ME2 and the obvious inability to do ANYTHING about it....now the genocide of 300 000 and obviously the whole criminal status that will come with it in ME3

oh come on guys you all know that, regardless of any choices you made, both the Alliance and the Council will throw you to the sharks so you can start ME3 with a reset level and no gear whatsoever from your stay in whatever hellhole they shove you into -facepalms-.

[candidate88766]

crimzontearz wrote...

you know...what the hell is it with Bioware lately and forcing things like this on the player?

First cerberus in ME2 and the obvious inability to do ANYTHING about it....now the genocide of 300 000 and obviously the whole criminal status that will come with it in ME3

oh come on guys you all know that, regardless of any choices you made, both the Alliance and the Council will throw you to the sharks so you can start ME3 with a reset level and no gear whatsoever from your stay in whatever hellhole they shove you into -facepalms-.

You get forced into doing things in EVERY game. Even in ME1 you get 'forced' into becoming a Spectre. I think being a war criminal will make things more interesting for ME3. Rather than 'hi i'm Shepard, lets go kill the Reapers' Shepard will actually have to persuade races to side with him. Besides, it'll be more beliveable for resetting your gear than dying was. This is Bioware's story, and if the 3rd chapter hinges on Shepard being a criminal or being in jail then thats what will happen. Yes, this is a game that focuses on choice but here I imagine it will be how your Shepard copes with killing 300,000 people and going on trial, not whether you actually go on trial.

Modifié par candidate88766, 04 avril 2011 - 04:58 .

[candidate88766]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

You know we don't really know how ME3 starts yet and people are getting into such heated debate about it already lol. Maybe we should wait for some solid info on how ME3 starts before we start criticizing it, just saying.....

This. You'd think people would wait until they know how this fits in ME3's plot before complaining about plotholes.