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[Nashiktal]

In the end I will accept sheps trial on Earth, if only because that wouldn't be the first nor probably be the last concession I make for the game.

I'll still be muttering under my breath though.

[SalsaDMA]

candidate88766 wrote...

@Zulu_DFA

This is probably easier than quoting everything.

If Arcturus station isn't just a military installation and is, as you say, the Alliance's Parliament as well then I concede it would make sense to hold a trial there. If reporters have access to it then the Batarians would presumably have no objection. I don't think this necessarily makes Earth a stupid choice, but I will agree that Arcturus does seem to make at least as much, if not more, sense. Plus, I would very much like to see it.

You are welcome to your opinion, but I don't fell earth's implementation will be 'utterly lame'. I was pretty impressed with the Migrant Fleet and with the Krogan homeworld (both areas could've been larger but I think the general 'feel' of both places was pretty much spot on). Locations like the Shadow Broker's base exceeded my expectations. The Migrant Fleet in particular seemed a placed many fans wanted to visit after ME1. And the fact that the reveal trailer showed London as opposed to a more overused city (Paris, Tokyo or any large profile American city come to mind) for the first view of ME-era Earth gives me faith that perhaps Bioware can do something a little different with the whole Earth invasion story. I'm personally still looking forward to seeing Earth.

It should also be noted that when Hackett says 'when Earth calls' he could simply have been referring to the general Solar System; its just that Earth is the only planet of real note in the system.

Asuming that the wiki is trsutworthy, this is what is stated there:

Arcturus Station

Arcturus Station is a human space station located in the system of the same name. It is the capital of the Systems Alliance, home to both its parliament and the headquarters of the Alliance Navy, built before contact with the Citadel. It is where David Anderson is first introduced into the story, Mass Effect: Revelation, after graduating from the N7 program at the Academy there.

Structure
Arcturus Station is a 5-kilometer diameter Stanford Torus-type space station, at the trailing Lagrange point (L5) of the gas giant Themis. Construction on Arcturus Station began in 2151 and concluded in 2162, utilising many metal-rich asteroids
that remain nearby, housing transient populations. Arcturus Station was
inaugurated in 2156, and has served as the military and political
headquarters of the Systems Alliance since the First Contact War. Arcturus Station currently has a permanent population of 45,000, and is where Joker grew up before joining the Academy.

[/list]I guess this answers your question about what resides there?

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 05 avril 2011 - 04:06 .

[Wolverfrog]

Humanity is probably the most powerful race on the council. The council want Shepard tried. The humans probably think he'd get a fairer and safer trial at Earth.

[celuloid]

1. Hackett's comment "when Earth calls" might just mean "when humanity calls" since 99% percent of people in ME universe still live on Earth. Trial itself can be hold in arbitary location, but Arcturus seems like poor political choice for washing hands and poor practical choice because of logistics.

2. Bad political move. Alliance wants to keep shut about the fact that it was their operation of 50 marines who set up engines and pointed asteroid into mass relay. Why doing military trial with man whose status is virtually unknown? Is he Spectre or is he marine? Is he zombie? He arose from the dead after all.

Alliance effort now is to mock Shepard as lunatic cyborg terrorist who needs to be locked in jail or executed. What will be the points in defense of Shepard contrary to accusations?

Defense:
i. Battle of Eden Prime (officially battle, but it was more like shootout)

Accusation:
i. Sacrificing 3200 humans/Sacrificing alien fleets during battle of Citadel. Both are bad.
ii. Rachni queen killed/saved. Both are bad.
iii. Nuke on Virmire.
iv. Working for terrorist organization - Cerberus.
v. Associating himself with criminals like Jack, Thane, Zaeed.
vi. Murder of good lawful Spectre that Tela Vasir was.
vii. And last but not least: Killing of 300,000 Batarians.

I agree it would be political suicide if Earth extradited Shepard - the humanity's hero, but they are going to do the story of Shepard - the galactic Hitler. And for that they need a trial first, possibly in a place where Alliance could distance from him, but still in a place of some significance.

3. So Arcturus contains Parliament with a few thousands of MPs and their secretaries and office cleaning service and military headquarters with admirals and their offices.....
Station with 45,000 leaves no room for courts to judge criminals who has to be held somewhere during their process.
And unless you suggest that Alliance military prison is also located there, criminals have to be flown in and out with security guards. I doubt that security of such important place can be compromised with criminals walking the hallways.

4. For this same reason trial on Citadel is unviable, too. Where are criminals of the Citadel space tried? In Citadel Tower by Council of 4? Or in Citadel Wards? There are 100+ billion people in Citadel space. There sure must be a lot of crime.

5. People pointed out how not every Shepard is from Earth. Nobody has given thought as to why it might be logical that colonist and spacer Shepard are legally under Earth's jurisdiction.

Firstly, colonist Shepard was rescued by Alliance patrol from colony which ceased to exist. He surely got citizenship of some nation/colony afterwards. But for obvious reasons Shepard did not choose colony again. Instead he stays on Earth until he turns 18 and enlists in military.

Secondly, spacer Shepard has mother, right? Unless she is from Mars (probability of 1 : 100,000), she is definitely from Earth (humans started to colonize extrasolar worlds around 2150). So unless there is such a thing as spacer citizenship given by space-nation with courts on space stations, Shepard has her mother's citizenship and belongs to Earth.

Modifié par celuloid, 05 avril 2011 - 07:52 .

[monrapias]

Wereparrot wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


In many cases Shepard is still a spectre, which means his arse belongs to the Citadel Council.
That is all.

Except that Shepherd is from Earth, and his ties to Eath, despite being a Spectre, have never been called into question. He belongs to Earth IMO.

Not if he isn't earthborn....

[Bluefuse]

Here's what's going to happen:

The game will open up with Shepard being tried for what happened on Arrival and then sentenced whatever. Then all of a sudden the reapers show up and the Earth is under attack and you, as Shepard, is to find a way off of Earth to escape the fight, probably Anderson will sacrifice himself or something to buy you time to get to a ship. From there, you escape with your crew and find help by exploring the galaxy to retrieve help for Earth. That would be an epic start to the finale of an epic trilogy.

[Gizfire]

I admit it would be an interesting plot line for Shepard but I don't think humanity want the incident to go public since it would mean war with the Batarians. Personally speaking, I believe Shepard did the right action and I was fully behind the decision without any regard for the lives aboard the colony... alright maybe a teeny tiny amount of regard. 

We ALL know what the "Reapers" would do once they jumped through the relay network just ask the Protheans... oh wait you can't... Put simply Shepard IS humanity's ONLY shield and weapon of hope against these machines. And better yet we've seen the evidence (a plenty!) that the "Reapers" fear Shepard - genuine fear. Infact THATS why they hunt him - to eliminate a rogue extraneous variable.

[Bluefuse]

It intrigues me that the Reapers really want Shepard captured alive instead of dead. What can they do to him?

[Nashiktal]

Indoctrinate him/experiments/teatimepoker.

Really a number of things they could do, but its all idiotic since they can't seem to kill him, let alone capture him.

[SalsaDMA]

Nashiktal wrote...

Indoctrinate him/experiments/teatimepoker.

Really a number of things they could do, but its all idiotic since they can't seem to kill him, let alone capture him.

It would help if they started restraining him when they caught him, or locked him up in secure cells...

[Bluefuse]

The Reapers just probably want to know how a being like him has the guts to stand against them despite his odds, and then BioWare pulls a crazy plot twist and explains the story of Jesus Christ in Mass Effect form.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Its going to take place on earth because A we haven't gone there yet and B Shepard just started a full scale war most likely against the Batarians so earth is a logical place to be put on trial by both the Systems alliance and the earth government.

[xzxzxz701]

Wolverfrog wrote...

Humanity is probably the most powerful race on the council. The council want Shepard tried. The humans probably think he'd get a fairer and safer trial at Earth.

No, by far. If they wanted to, any of the Council races could destroy humanity.

Its not the Council that wants Shep tried, its the Batarians and the Alliance.

Modifié par xzxzxz701, 05 avril 2011 - 07:44 .

[Nashiktal]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Its going to take place on earth because A we haven't gone there yet and B Shepard just started a full scale war most likely against the Batarians so earth is a logical place to be put on trial by both the Systems alliance and the earth government.

You obviously didn't read the thread.

[Wulfram]

celuloid wrote...

Firstly, colonist Shepard was rescued by Alliance patrol from colony which ceased to exist. He surely got citizenship of some nation/colony afterwards. But for obvious reasons Shepard did not choose colony again. Instead he stays on Earth until he turns 18 and enlists in military.

Mindoir is still there - there's a radio report about it being given permission to use Shepard's likeness on it's colonial seal, which also mentions that Shepard had maintained ties to the colony.

[shep82]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

Humanity is probably the most powerful race on the council. The council want Shepard tried. The humans probably think he'd get a fairer and safer trial at Earth.

No, by far. If they wanted to, any of the Council races could destroy humanity.

Its not the Council that wants Shep tried, its the Batarians and the Alliance.

ANd rightfully so but in the end they will likely use ta "the ends justified the means" approach which I'm fine with.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

sorry for moving my post from another topic to here

It is logical that Shepard or anyone who is responsible for this homicide/genocide (i don't know which of these word fits best) will be trialed on his/her homeworld. Why ? 300 000 batarians are dead for a reason that has been already "dismissed" (thanks a lot stupid-a.s.s. turian councillor) and they're part of gallactic community. I think that Alliance believes that putting Shepard on trial would avoid the war with Batarians as Hackett believes that Reaper threat is real and very serious (probably made Alliance high command aware of this too). Also, do you remember one of the pictures in Kasumi's graybox? That cutscene before she found Keiji? One of the pictures was very similliar to a Reaper. Perhaps Alliance is reverse engineering Soviereign tech ?

[k8ee]

I'm really hoping for the first mission in me3 to be a break out of jail scenario by two squaddies (one being your me2 love interest if you had one... which I'm assuming most did) and I don't really care who else. Earth would be the most daring, plus it makes sense that you could steal the Normandy... errr... again.

We should remember that no one else has seen any real evidence of the coming invasion. They just know a whole system disappeared. Of course the galaxy is going to want to lock Shepard away. He/she is a CRAZY mass murderer.

I'm completely expecting a 'told you so' moment' when the reapers show up.

[celuloid]

Wulfram wrote...

celuloid wrote...

Firstly, colonist Shepard was rescued by Alliance patrol from colony which ceased to exist. He surely got citizenship of some nation/colony afterwards. But for obvious reasons Shepard did not choose colony again. Instead he stays on Earth until he turns 18 and enlists in military.

Mindoir is still there - there's a radio report about it being given permission to use Shepard's likeness on it's colonial seal, which also mentions that Shepard had maintained ties to the colony.

It ceased to exist only to be rebuilt some time after the Batarian attack. But question is: will they be willing to try their own mascot to appease Batarians who raided their colony?

Modifié par celuloid, 05 avril 2011 - 08:51 .

[HunterX6]

Earth

[N7Infernox]

Why would Shepard not go to Earth? Not like it's the human homeworld or anything...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Not to mention that according to news reports and Council/Alliance responses... Shepard is still dead.

[InfiniteCuts]

A trial on Earth makes little sense... though it would be interesting to have the Council and other leadership (including batarians) on Earth for a tribunal and have the Reapers enter the galaxy at that point... causing everyone to scramble to their planets for defense and Shepard having to choose where to go fight. That's about all the credence I'm willing to give this whole trial speculation. I've had enough "prison break" scenarios from BioWare... let's think outside the box a little.

[SalsaDMA]

Even worse than all the theoretical 'what ifs...' people are pulling out, the fact that Hackett just flat out expects and states the trial as a foregone conclusion to happen, and to happen against Shepard specifically is just horrendous writing.

Hackett doesn't theorize that things might be an issue with a system gone, and that it might mean that strings will be attempted to be pulled to reach a certain outcome. Instead he totally ignores the whole consistency and loresetting of the universe as well as the story he appears in and make an out of the blue sky statement he has no grounds to make given the info he, or anyone else, has.