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[Nauks]

How about we collectively chose to forget the Arrival DLC ever existed, and Bioware please do the same, the damage done is reversible!

[xzxzxz701]

Nauks wrote...

How about we collectively chose to forget the Arrival DLC ever existed, and Bioware please do the same, the damage done is reversible!

Arrival was an awesome DLC, compared to how little time was spent on it.

[Almostfaceman]

Nauks wrote...

How about we collectively chose to forget the Arrival DLC ever existed, and Bioware please do the same, the damage done is reversible!

Well you're entitled to do so if ya want.  Personally I enjoyed the Arrival DLC.  I also think complaining about a trial on Earth is making a mountian out of a molehill. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Still not a plot hole yet, only time will tell.

[Someone With Mass]

It could mean the trial is supposed to be interrupted by the Reaper attack on Earth.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Still not a plot hole yet, only time will tell.

It is a plot hole already, since Hackett has already done inexplicable leaps in logic. Most notably he suggested that Shepard will nedd to go to Earth to trial, which given the political realities of the ME universe is wrong even if it's only a figure of speech.

Someone With Mass wrote...

It could mean the trial is supposed to be interrupted by the Reaper attack on Earth.

That's what I think, and that's just as bad as the inexplicable Shuttle Pizza Party of ME2.

[Vanaer]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It could mean the trial is supposed to be interrupted by the Reaper attack on Earth.

That seems unlikely to me. As in the trailer the soldier in the Big Ben says:  'If Shepard doesn't bring help soon, there won't be an Earth left to save'. I think it's hardly likely that the Reapers invade and that within a week he has to bring help? Next to that, the game involves exploration. How are you going to do that when the Reaper invasion is going on? That would be... kind of messed up... 'Let the Reapers slaughter Earth, but I'm busy probing Uranus to get that gun upgrade'. So, I don't expect it - but alas.

Edit: I switch lanes. Probaly you're right. 

Gameinfo on IGN says:

Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth.

That could imply that you were on Earth during the attack - escaped barely, but managed to trap the Reapers there/delay them and then have to fly around solving other people's crap to get them to solve ours.

Modifié par Vanaer, 07 avril 2011 - 08:50 .

[Someone With Mass]

Or that Shep was en route to Earth for his trial, but then the Reapers attacked before he could get there.

[CannotCompute]

Vanaer wrote...

That could imply that you were on Earth during the attack - escaped barely, but managed to trap the Reapers there/delay them and then have to fly around solving other people's crap to get them to solve ours.

I hope the plot won't be THAT predictable. 'Twould be quite boring.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Even worse than all the theoretical 'what ifs...' people are pulling out, the fact that Hackett just flat out expects and states the trial as a foregone conclusion to happen, and to happen against Shepard specifically is just horrendous writing.

Hackett doesn't theorize that things might be an issue with a system gone, and that it might mean that strings will be attempted to be pulled to reach a certain outcome. Instead he totally ignores the whole consistency and loresetting of the universe as well as the story he appears in and make an out of the blue sky statement he has no grounds to make given the info he, or anyone else, has.

This was a problem with some of the DLC material for DA:O, specifically Return to Ostagar.  Alistair spends the entire game whining about his buddy Duncan, who dies at Ostagar, but when you return there he eulogizes the king for half an hour.  Never even mentions Duncan.

Also, this still doesn't really address the issue of what happens if I don't play Arrival.  Will Shepard be running around free at the beginning of the game, or will I be railroaded into this trial thing whether I like it or not?  Frankly, I don't want another gimmicky character reboot.  The Lazarus project got enough mixed reactions, you'd think Bioware would have the sense not to add to that.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Nashiktal wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Its going to take place on earth because A we haven't gone there yet and B Shepard just started a full scale war most likely against the Batarians so earth is a logical place to be put on trial by both the Systems alliance and the earth government.

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Yeah I did read the thread U **** and no matter what Zulu and his supporters think thats whats gonna happen so suck it

[Nashiktal]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Its going to take place on earth because A we haven't gone there yet and B Shepard just started a full scale war most likely against the Batarians so earth is a logical place to be put on trial by both the Systems alliance and the earth government.

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Yeah I did read the thread U **** and no matter what Zulu and his supporters think thats whats gonna happen so suck it

Wow someone didn't have their morning coffee I take it? In any case you give no indication you read the thread, (before I pointed it out at least) and if you did, you would realize we hade gone over the exact same points you described in your post. There was no need to go over it again.

Now excuse me as I hit the report button.

[SalsaDMA]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Even worse than all the theoretical 'what ifs...' people are pulling out, the fact that Hackett just flat out expects and states the trial as a foregone conclusion to happen, and to happen against Shepard specifically is just horrendous writing.

Hackett doesn't theorize that things might be an issue with a system gone, and that it might mean that strings will be attempted to be pulled to reach a certain outcome. Instead he totally ignores the whole consistency and loresetting of the universe as well as the story he appears in and make an out of the blue sky statement he has no grounds to make given the info he, or anyone else, has.

This was a problem with some of the DLC material for DA:O, specifically Return to Ostagar.  Alistair spends the entire game whining about his buddy Duncan, who dies at Ostagar, but when you return there he eulogizes the king for half an hour.  Never even mentions Duncan.

Also, this still doesn't really address the issue of what happens if I don't play Arrival.  Will Shepard be running around free at the beginning of the game, or will I be railroaded into this trial thing whether I like it or not?  Frankly, I don't want another gimmicky character reboot.  The Lazarus project got enough mixed reactions, you'd think Bioware would have the sense not to add to that.

yeah tell me about it... poor writing hampered alot of the DA:O DLC. Lelianas song was the one that struck me as being the worst offender in regards to not staying consistent with lore, though.

[Almostfaceman]

Nashiktal wrote...

Wow someone didn't have their morning coffee I take it? In any case you give no indication you read the thread, (before I pointed it out at least) and if you did, you would realize we hade gone over the exact same points you described in your post. There was no need to go over it again.

Now excuse me as I hit the report button.

Um, people have been going over and over the exact same points in this thread ad nauseum, not sure why you had to pick that dude out of the line-up.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Wow someone didn't have their morning coffee I take it? In any case you give no indication you read the thread, (before I pointed it out at least) and if you did, you would realize we hade gone over the exact same points you described in your post. There was no need to go over it again.

Now excuse me as I hit the report button.

[/quote]

Okay go ahead a report me will it make you feel better? plus i didnt dont anything wrong did I? and furthermore susan
dont get your panites in a bunch cause i called you out
 oh and I'm sorry i dont have the time to read every page of 30 plus page thread excuse me

Modifié par Shepard needs a Vacation, 07 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[SalsaDMA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Wow someone didn't have their morning coffee I take it? In any case you give no indication you read the thread, (before I pointed it out at least) and if you did, you would realize we hade gone over the exact same points you described in your post. There was no need to go over it again.

Now excuse me as I hit the report button.

Um, people have been going over and over the exact same points in this thread ad nauseum, not sure why you had to pick that dude out of the line-up.

I think his language did it

[SalsaDMA]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Okay go ahead a report me will it make you feel better? plus i didnt dont anything wrong did I? and furthermore susan
dont get your panites in a bunch cause i called you out
 oh and I'm sorry i dont have the time to read every page of 30 plus page thread excuse me

A plain insult as it can be? I'd say that constitutes doing something wrong.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 07 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Well can you prove what i said was really that bad can you?

[Almostfaceman]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Wow someone didn't have their morning coffee I take it? In any case you give no indication you read the thread, (before I pointed it out at least) and if you did, you would realize we hade gone over the exact same points you described in your post. There was no need to go over it again.

Now excuse me as I hit the report button.

Um, people have been going over and over the exact same points in this thread ad nauseum, not sure why you had to pick that dude out of the line-up.

I think his language did it

I was referring to the "you obviously didn't read the thread" from Nashiktal that set the other guy off, so er yes the language came after the point, lol.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Still not a plot hole yet, only time will tell.

It is a plot hole already, since Hackett has already done inexplicable leaps in logic. Most notably he suggested that Shepard will nedd to go to Earth to trial, which given the political realities of the ME universe is wrong even if it's only a figure of speech.

Shepard is dead to the public and that fact was never corrected by the Council or the Alliance.  The Alliance is also too close to Shepard on this one (it was Hackett's orders that caused Shepard to go there and it was an Alliance station that crashed into the relay).  Having the trial in another safe place (outside of the human spotlight) makes Earth a likely candidate.

I also believe the trial is to decide what to do next more-so than simply going through the process of hanging Shepard out to dry.  Based on that trial the Alliance etc. will then likely make their official actions.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2011 - 03:17 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Tell me if you think im wrong but I think that Shepard will be the scape goat and will be sentenced too a batarian labor camp too prevent war, it'd be a good way too restart your level.

[Rekkampum]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I think the trial is to take place on Earth because it's an Alliance issue. That doctor and Hackett are both Alliance/Humans.

Yeah. The Reapers probably will attack during the trial and he'll have to escape or something. I think it would make more sense if they attacked Earth early in the game rather than say, toward the middle of it. Come to think of it, anyone find this setup kind of similar to KOTOR's first level?

[Zulu_DFA]

Several selected comments from the poll (with some my comments):


[quote]DrBobcat wrote...

Citadel/Arcturus Station makes way more sense, so that gets my vote.[/quote]


[quote]UKStory135 wrote...

It should be at the Alliance capital. Is that Arcturus or Earth?[/quote]Arcturus.

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I want it to be Arcturus, but my money is on Earth.[/quote]

[quote]leonia42 wrote...

Citadel is my preference but could live with Arcturus. Always wanted to see Arcturus station anyway.[/quote]
[quote]Babe Mause wrote...

Citadel. All my Sheps are spacers and Specters, they have nothing to do with the Earth aside from being human![/quote]
[quote]Orizont wrote...

Why would Shepard be tried on Earth?

Depending on your choices I would think the Citadel Council would be the first to get dibs on the right to prosecute him. If not the Council, then Shepard still is a citizen of the Systems Alliance and a naval officer, so he would be court martial-ed on Arcturus.[/quote]
[quote]chester013 wrote...

I vote for Earth, it's a show trial to pacify the Batarians. I think the scale of the alleged crime goes beyond the remit of the Systems Alliance, if a war crime occurs in RL you aren't often tried in your own country by your countries judicial system.[/quote]In real life U.S. military personnel suspected in war crimes is to be tried by the U.S. military authorities. Unless they are taken prisoner by the other side, in which case it can do whatever it wants. Which, BTW, is also the nature of the International Criminal Court in the Hague: trying poor suckers that lost their causes through military defeats and/or revolts backed by their enemies.

In the ME universe the function of the "super-state" authority belongs to the Citadel Council, not to some Earth's state, all of whom are lesser political entities than the Systems Alliance.

[quote]hangmans tree wrote...

Voted C/AS...but what if Shepard would be on trial as a regular citizen stripped of rank and all?[/quote]In order to strip Shepard of his rank/spectreship, there needs to be a trial first. And what was that talk about "dress blues", BTW?

[quote]aimlessgun wrote...

I voted Earth to spite Zulu [/quote]Thanks, but seeing the poll results I can't feel much spited.

[quote]CaptainZaysh wrote...

Earth. It'd be a much more dramatic setting than some space station somewhere.[/quote]Right. Drama > sense. Only drama without sense is a farce.

[quote]Spectre_907 wrote...

It should be Arcturus if you denied or were denied Spectre status, the Citadel if your Spectre status was reinstated. There should be no reason for a trial on Earth. It's getting really hard to retain respect for the Mass Effect writers.[/quote]

[Almostfaceman]

Well, the trial is on Earth.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Well, the trial is on Earth.

I don't think they will go this far, but it would be really funny if it was at the actual Hague.