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[SalsaDMA]

Merchant2006 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You gave it your best, Zulu. I still hope we get an explanation of some kind as to WHY the trial is happening on Earth.

Lack of creativity from the writers, is my best guess

Or lack of patience on the 'loyal BioWare fanbase' and their inability to wait and see what happens. Everyone here castrates BioWare every single time something new comes out.

See that's where you wrong and just goes off from wrong asumptions.

By that post alone you are putting youself firmly of a misguided belief that "any change is good change", which is kinda funny when you realize (or should realize) that we aren't even discussing a change, but a misguided plot.

Change is: ME2 using different mechanics for combat than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different skill system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different item management system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different mechanic to keep track of which paragon/renegade options you have available than ME1.

Story writing that is inconsistent current lore is NOT change. It's just bad writing.

And to add the last nail in the coffin of your wrong asumption, I actually liked the changes I listed up there in ME2 comapred to ME1. So next time, try better before making wrong asumptions?

[Zulu_DFA]

AND, before this thread dies due to irrelevance, in light of the Game Informer confirmation, let me say that:

Since the trial is going to focus on the events of the Arrival DLC, and the "Previously on Mass Effect" function will be assigned to the intro-comic, and there will be no serious time skip via imprisonment, and the surviving squadmates bow out and TIM gets hostile "just because", the trial itself is a pointltess device now and accomplishes nothing.

[Csec_2]

Oh just shut up you already

[Zulu_DFA]

Csec_2 wrote...

Oh just shut up you already

It takes a little more than that.

[Csec_2]

To shut you up? I've noticed

[Zulu_DFA]

Csec_2 wrote...

To shut you up? I've noticed

So?

[GuardianAngel470]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You gave it your best, Zulu. I still hope we get an explanation of some kind as to WHY the trial is happening on Earth.

Lack of creativity from the writers, is my best guess

Or lack of patience on the 'loyal BioWare fanbase' and their inability to wait and see what happens. Everyone here castrates BioWare every single time something new comes out.

See that's where you wrong and just goes off from wrong asumptions.

By that post alone you are putting youself firmly of a misguided belief that "any change is good change", which is kinda funny when you realize (or should realize) that we aren't even discussing a change, but a misguided plot.

Change is: ME2 using different mechanics for combat than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different skill system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different item management system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different mechanic to keep track of which paragon/renegade options you have available than ME1.

Story writing that is inconsistent current lore is NOT change. It's just bad writing.

And to add the last nail in the coffin of your wrong asumption, I actually liked the changes I listed up there in ME2 comapred to ME1. So next time, try better before making wrong asumptions?

Yeah, salsa you kinda missed the point on that one. Have you played the intro to ME3? Have you heard the dialog, the writing, and the intro to the main plot personally?

I'm going to assume for a moment that you haven't. That is the point Merchant is trying to make. You can't call foul until you've actually seen the content.

Remember, one of Bioware's marketing videos listed Legion as an enemy, look how that turned out.

Until you play the game, you simply don't KNOW one way or the other.

[Zulu_DFA]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Remember, one of Bioware's marketing videos listed Legion as an enemy, look how that turned out.

If we're thinking the same video, it was clear as day, that Legion is going to be an ally, and most probably recruitable, after that video.

[SalsaDMA]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You gave it your best, Zulu. I still hope we get an explanation of some kind as to WHY the trial is happening on Earth.

Lack of creativity from the writers, is my best guess

Or lack of patience on the 'loyal BioWare fanbase' and their inability to wait and see what happens. Everyone here castrates BioWare every single time something new comes out.

See that's where you wrong and just goes off from wrong asumptions.

By that post alone you are putting youself firmly of a misguided belief that "any change is good change", which is kinda funny when you realize (or should realize) that we aren't even discussing a change, but a misguided plot.

Change is: ME2 using different mechanics for combat than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different skill system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different item management system than ME1.
Change is: ME2 using a different mechanic to keep track of which paragon/renegade options you have available than ME1.

Story writing that is inconsistent current lore is NOT change. It's just bad writing.

And to add the last nail in the coffin of your wrong asumption, I actually liked the changes I listed up there in ME2 comapred to ME1. So next time, try better before making wrong asumptions?

Yeah, salsa you kinda missed the point on that one. Have you played the intro to ME3? Have you heard the dialog, the writing, and the intro to the main plot personally?

I'm going to assume for a moment that you haven't. That is the point Merchant is trying to make. You can't call foul until you've actually seen the content.

Remember, one of Bioware's marketing videos listed Legion as an enemy, look how that turned out.

Until you play the game, you simply don't KNOW one way or the other.

That's as silly a statement as you can make. Really.

I can see the outline. I don't need to see the details to know it's poor writing.
Just like I don't need to stick my tongue into dogpoo to know that I'm not gonna like the taste of it.

Given the talent they have shown in the past that they have (had) in their teams, I find the stuff we're getting from them recently to be several grades of worse than what it should be. When you have random people that can make better tellings than what we are presented with, you know that there is something wrong at biowares end.

Either they aren't trying anymore, or they don't got time to try.

Neither prospect is especially comfortingm nor bodes well for their products.

[candidate88766]

Just gonna add another thought I've had: just because the Alliance's Parliament is on Arcturus doesn't mean they don't use or 'own' courts on Earth. Space on Arcturus could be fairly limited, so prison and court facilities could be on Earth for sake of ease - there may well be a court on the station but for a trial on this scale I'd assume they'd want to use a big court to make a big deal of the trial. Just because Arcturus is the Alliance's HQ doesn't mean everything they do has to take place on board. Earth is probably a pretty convenient place to have courts, possibly for space reasons or possibly for tradition - i.e. using historical courts or high-profile courts.

I'm not really sure where the 'lore inconsistency' is surrounding this. Just because the Alliance's Parliament is on the station doesn't mean the courts are as well. To my knowledge there is no codex entry that explicitly states that the Alliance doesn't hold trials on Earth. Its the only human planet with a large enough population to warrant a court high-profile enough for a case involving humanity's first Spectre (none of the colonies are large enough to need a proper court). No lore has been broken, its just a minor cliché that everything seems to happen on Earth - a cliché avoided for 2 games already.

Don't dismiss Bioware's writing team just yet, at least wait until you know the context. After that, go full Turian Counsellor on them if you want.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


AND, before this thread dies due to irrelevance, in light of the Game Informer confirmation, let me say that:

Since the trial is going to focus on the events of the Arrival DLC, and the "Previously on Mass Effect" function will be assigned to the intro-comic, and there will be no serious time skip via imprisonment, and the surviving squadmates bow out and TIM gets hostile "just because", the trial itself is a pointltess device now and accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing?  It certainly is entertaining me, and that is after all, the point of the story.

[Zulu_DFA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AND, before this thread dies due to irrelevance, in light of the Game Informer confirmation, let me say that:

Since the trial is going to focus on the events of the Arrival DLC, and the "Previously on Mass Effect" function will be assigned to the intro-comic, and there will be no serious time skip via imprisonment, and the surviving squadmates bow out and TIM gets hostile "just because", the trial itself is a pointltess device now and accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing?  It certainly is entertaining me, and that is after all, the point of the story.

Not only it accomplishes nothing, it also breaks character for many Shepards out there who wouldn't go to that trial voluntarily. It smells like an Idiot Ball to me. A pointless Idiot Ball.

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 09 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[candidate88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AND, before this thread dies due to irrelevance, in light of the Game Informer confirmation, let me say that:

Since the trial is going to focus on the events of the Arrival DLC, and the "Previously on Mass Effect" function will be assigned to the intro-comic, and there will be no serious time skip via imprisonment, and the surviving squadmates bow out and TIM gets hostile "just because", the trial itself is a pointltess device now and accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing?  It certainly is entertaining me, and that is after all, the point of the story.

Not only it accomplishes nothing, it also breaks character for many Shepards out there who wouldn't go to that trial voluntarily. It smells like an Idiot Ball to me. A pointless Idiot Ball.

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

We can't possibly tell whether the trial is pointless or not because we don't know how it fits into ME3's plot. The fact that Shepard stood trial - voluntarily or not - will change everyone's view of him. If one of our tasks in ME3 is to persuade species to come to humanity's aid then I imagine its going to be harder to persuade them than if Shepard hadn't stood trial.

[packardbell]

 The Systems Alliance top brass is supposedely on Acturus and since ite happened on Earth that's who should judge Shepard on it.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AND, before this thread dies due to irrelevance, in light of the Game Informer confirmation, let me say that:

Since the trial is going to focus on the events of the Arrival DLC, and the "Previously on Mass Effect" function will be assigned to the intro-comic, and there will be no serious time skip via imprisonment, and the surviving squadmates bow out and TIM gets hostile "just because", the trial itself is a pointltess device now and accomplishes nothing.

Accomplishes nothing?  It certainly is entertaining me, and that is after all, the point of the story.

Not only it accomplishes nothing, it also breaks character for many Shepards out there who wouldn't go to that trial voluntarily. It smells like an Idiot Ball to me. A pointless Idiot Ball.

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Ah, a back-handed insult.  I know, I know, I shouldn't have presumed to disagree with you.

Still, nothing you said counters the fact that it accomplishes something - it entertains me.  You may not like it, hence it accomplished bugging the hell out of you.

[RKB28]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Remember, one of Bioware's marketing videos listed Legion as an enemy, look how that turned out.

If we're thinking the same video, it was clear as day, that Legion is going to be an ally, and most probably recruitable, after that video.

The first one he seemed like the guy that killed Shepard , and in the enemies video he looked like a stalker.Very far from an ally or recrutable.


As to the trial taking place on Earth, my guess is that the Alliance intend to burn Shepard in front of everybody, and for that to happen on Earth it would add strength to the action itself.  

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

Engage in pointless banter inane humans! Mere words shall not delay your certain destruction!

[Zulu_DFA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Still, nothing you said counters the fact that it accomplishes something - it entertains me.  You may not like it, hence it accomplished bugging the hell out of you.

You are irrelevant to the ME3 plot, therefore, the trial, as a part of that plot, accomplishes nothing by entertaining you.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Zulu_DFA wrote...



Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Still, nothing you said counters the fact that it accomplishes something - it entertains me.  You may not like it, hence it accomplished bugging the hell out of you.

You are irrelevant to the ME3 plot, therefore, the trial, as a part of that plot, accomplishes nothing by entertaining you.

Ah, so once again since you don't like the trial, it "accomplishes nothing".  This, of course, is false.  It accomplishes the part of the plot that sets the stage for how Shepard is viewed by certain factions of the galaxy for his actions in ME2 - foreshadowed in Galaxy News snippets in ME2 and in Arrival.

I wonder why you just can't settle with "I don't like it" without making it (whatever "it" is at the moment) a plothole, or bad writing, or the End of the Universe As We Know It.

[DashRunner92]

For one, how is having the trial on Earth pointless and accomplishes nothing. You don't know how the ME universe reacts to a "crime" of this scale. For all we know, if a species is tried of a major crime of this scale, they may have the trial at their species' home world, therefore avoiding any background clashes. The only evidence for my theory is being the whole Tali trial. This is all for the writers to decide since it's their universe, making the majority of your arguments completely invalid. Also it's a video games, show me a video game without plot holes.

Who ever said he went the trial voluntarily. For all we know Renegade Shepard may have fought and got overwhelmed by guards or soldiers when he was taken away.  We don't know how your squadmates reacted to the event of you destroying the mass relay so maybe that's why they bowed out. We also don't know why TIM is hostile, so unless you've PLAYED the game, you seem to be making a lot assumptions.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 09 avril 2011 - 04:17 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

[Zulu_DFA]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Still, nothing you said counters the fact that it accomplishes something - it entertains me.  You may not like it, hence it accomplished bugging the hell out of you.

You are irrelevant to the ME3 plot, therefore, the trial, as a part of that plot, accomplishes nothing by entertaining you.

Ah, so once again since you don't like the trial, it "accomplishes nothing". This, of course, is false.

Of course it is false, just like pretty much everything you post.

If you check out this thread, you'll know that I was practically in love with the idea of the trial. But since it's turned out it's going to be pointless, I'm now disliking it. Simple.

Almostfaceman wrote...

It accomplishes the part of the plot that sets the stage for how Shepard is viewed by certain factions of the galaxy for his actions in ME2

Oh really? And here I thought that it was all about the poor Batarians in the Arrival DLC, which accomplished nothing but paving a way to this trial, which accomplishes nothing.

Almostfaceman wrote...

- foreshadowed in Galaxy News snippets in ME2 and in Arrival.

Foreshadowing isn't a reason or even pretext, BTW.

Almostfaceman wrote...

I wonder why you just can't settle with "I don't like it" without making it (whatever "it" is at the moment) a plothole, or bad writing, or the End of the Universe As We Know It.

Because my reason for not liking it is it being a plot hole or bad writing.

It's called "causality".

[celuloid]

Zulu_DFA wrote... a lot of things

Plot hole - no, it isn't. Plot hole would be big trial on small station without court. On station which connects Shepard to Alliance command.

Pointless - how is it pointless if we haven't seen the actual game?

Forced attendance - Shepard will have a say on his attendance. It can be written easily either as "I am Jesus and I will atone for your sins" or "It will take platoon of soldiers to bring me to this trial". And then they will send Spectres to catch him.

Modifié par celuloid, 09 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Because my reason for not liking it is it being a plot hole or bad writing.

It's called "causality".

No, it's called "Zulu doesn't know what a plot hole is."