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[hero3440]

InHarmsWay wrote...

My guess is that the beginning of the trial will go like this.

Opening scene would be of a prosecutor reviewing Shepard's record. This would be where new players would enter Shepard's data or where ME2 imports will do customization of Shepard's face. After the record is reviewed, Shepard will be led into the courtroom in chains by two Marines. Here Shepard will have the thoughts of their Love Interest as a way to improve their will to fight and to show that the LI is recognized. If the player is new, They can select their love interest from the previous games so something like a dialogue wheel with selection of Ash, Liara, Tali, Miranda, Jack. This dialogue wheel will be unavailable to imported characters (since they pursued the romance).

The trial will be public and likely televised.

Shepard will be called to the stand where the prosecutor will read off charges against Shepard. The persecutor will then go over some major events in Shepard's history. This can double as a sort of ME: Genesis event where new players can make the decisions that were missed in ME1 and ME2. So for an example, the prosecutor will read off Shepard's mission on Noveria "where s/he ran into a Rachni Queen. Rachni as we know nearly overran the galaxy, but she pleaded for her life. In response you..." Make choice of whether to save her or kill her. Or if you did an import he will continue saying, "released her and risking the galaxy's future from a possible second Rachni war.
Here Shepard can argue why that decision was made. To establish motivation. Even killing the Rachni a person can make a paragon response that it was for the safety of the galaxy. Or a renegade can say that by saving the Rachni, they will make valuable allies for the future.

This can be done for most major decisions in the court. It can all lead to where your loyalties lie and the Collector base. Also, as a bonus for imported characters, Shepard would have persuasion options open for him/her to use to get the jury on his/her side.

Eventually it will come to verdict of either guilty or not guilty, and right after the verdict the Reapers arrive rendering either invalid. Start mission, fight husks!

^ this especially the last part.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Shepards specter status is just a title anderson said it himself the council wont help shepard in any way.Shepard is person non gratta as for getting tried the batarians are gonna want blood the only thing the council has to say is that shepard is insane,a rouge specter like saren and that he/she is working for a known terrorist organization cerberus.

And yet it makes the most sense for the Udina-led Council to try Shepard on the Citadel, under the Council's own authority, to send everybody the message that the New Council doesn't play favorites.

And it makes just as much sense to try him on Earth, to show Earth is "owning" the problem and dealing with it.  This way humanity is, as a Council race, "solving their own problems" as every Council race is obliged to do, and the rest of the Council doesn't get "dragged into it".

Just for your information:

The Earth is just a piece of molten iron covered with rock and a little H2O. It can't own any problems.

As for the Mankind, as soon as it lefts its "craddle", it'll spread its domain to any such piece of rock it manages to claim, establishing new cultural, economical and political realities that you guys seem to be incapable of grasping, but which any real sci-fi is supposed to be all about. Therefore, it's simply a matter of difference between the good sci-fi, and a cheap moneygrab product.

The Humanity, as a Council race, is supposed to solve its problems via established institutions such as the Council and the Systems Alliance, and not by "going to Earth".

LoL, I like the Legion reference, but we both know that Legion is clueless to symbolism.  Earth is clearly a symbol for humanity.

So, if humanity is supposed to solve its problems via established institutions such as the Council - why does the Council repeatedly tell humanity both before and after they have a seat on the Council that humanity has to "solve it's own problems".   One example is a news cast on heard on the citadel:

After the mission on Horizon and if the Council was saved, there is a story about the human representative requesting an official investigation of the attack on Horizon. However, the request is rejected by a 3-1 vote in session with the Council maintaining that the matter is an internal Alliance issue. Councilor Valern will mention that having a seat on the Council implies a species can handle its own problems and assist others with theirs. If Anderson is the human representative, he will agree but request increased access to the Council's space tracking network

[Itkovian]

The choice of venue for a trial is not necessarily linked to where the center of government is located.

Was the center of government for the allies in WW2 in Nuremberg? Of course not.

The trial (if there is any) is held on earth for dramatic effect, certainly, but that does not mean it is automatically a plot hole. There are MANY reasons anyone can come up with to explain why the trial is held on Earth instead of Arcturus station.

It could be simply because it is such a high profile trial that they need a bigger courtroom than what Arcturus has, for example. It is a space station after all, a military one, where room might be limited. It might be the prosecutors pushed for him being held on Earth for political reasons.

Or, maybe, it could just be that the Alliance simply holds its major tribunals on Earth, as it is the center of their civilization. Maybe it's tradition. Regardless, having trials on Earth is hardly stretching credibility (because nowhere has the contrary ever been stated).

My point is, there is no reason to explode just because it is held on Earth. There's plenty of reasons we can come up with, and there will probably be many more once we know the circumstances behind the trial.

This is, of course, assuming there is a trial at all.

Itkovian

[Anacronian Stryx]

I think it's more likely that the trial is being held on Arcturus Station because Shepard ain't gonna be nowhere near Earth when it gets hit.

Otherwise i think it will go pretty much as InHarmsWay describes only with the last scene being played out like this.

Judge is just about to pass sentence when some tech guy comes rushing in panting : "we have just lost the feed to Earth".

Judge :" Then reestablish it!"

Tech : "we can't it's..it's like it's just gone, Not just our signal but every signal from Earth!"

Hackett and Shep shares a look - go cut scene of Reapers landing on Earth and then zoom out to the "sun over planet logo + Mass Effect 3".

[Bourne Endeavor]

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Alas, perhaps this trial is empty talk and Shepard goes rogue.

[Almostfaceman]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Nothing personal, but wow am I glad you aren't designing this game.

[oksbad]

I don't get how the courts will catch Renegade Shephard, considering he is prancing around on a highly effective stealth ship. Hell I don't think even Paragon Sheps will turn themselves in until the reapers have been dealt with.

[Anacronian Stryx]

oksbad wrote...

I don't get how the courts will catch Renegade Shephard, considering he is prancing around on a highly effective stealth ship. Hell I don't think even Paragon Sheps will turn themselves in until the reapers have been dealt with.

Easy, Tim gotten what he wanted(collector base) and Shepard just attracts to much attention so he'll hand over Shepard + SR2 records to the alliance....nothing personal it's for humanity's sake you see.

[aimlessgun]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Nothing personal, but wow am I glad you aren't designing this game.

Er, really? You'd rather have the cliche than something powerful and new?

If Earth was destroyed, I think that could be part of something utterly amazing.

Itkovian wrote...
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Itkovian

I agree, it really isn't a huge deal. You can hold a trial like this lots of places. They can explain it well enough. But I agree with Zulu, big fear that they will not explain it at all.

Question about witchhunting Shepard...why can't Hackett find some stooge to frame instead of putting Shep on trial?

Modifié par aimlessgun, 31 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[Nimrodell]

Zulu, don't get angry 'cause of trial on Earth - there's hidden plan actually why it has to be there (tho actually that 'when Earth calls, may be just a metaphor, meaning, when humans call but it might as well be held on Arcturus Station). Shepard's farce trial is held 'cause politicians need sacrificial goat, but in the second they call him/her guilty, secret Conrad Verner 'Shepard Sprouts' squad drops in and rescues our hero and tis a bit harder for Conrad to pull that off if it actually happens on Arcturus.

On the serious side, I know that for year now, people here were asking and screaming for that famous trial... and I just feel sorry for my Shepards 'cause they really don't deserve it, but I like it, whether the trial is held on Earth or Arcturus - it gives Shepard that final touch of tragic hero, the one that really goes against all odds. And somehow the trial on Earth itself has better tragic impact 'cause it smells like farce and horrible political scheme. Tis not about justice, never been in ME world and after all sheit that was thrown at our hero, does it really matters where they will trial him/her? Earth is also convenient - all the press, media present, making it true political shananigan and show, especially if we're talking about Butcher version... and tis more realistic 'cause that's the way how human kind works. Bring the torches out, lets burn the witch.

Modifié par Nimrodell, 31 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Almostfaceman]

aimlessgun wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Nothing personal, but wow am I glad you aren't designing this game.

Er, really? You'd rather have the cliche than something powerful and new?

If Earth was destroyed, I think that could be part of something utterly amazing.

Itkovian wrote...
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Itkovian

I agree, it really isn't a huge deal. You can hold a trial like this lots of places. They can explain it well enough. But I agree with Zulu, big fear that they will not explain it at all.

Question about witchhunting Shepard...why can't Hackett find some stooge to frame instead of putting Shep on trial?

It's a false choice between "cliche" and "what Bourne Endevour suggested".  There are other alternatives.  If you think having the Earth destroyed in Act 3 is a good idea - more power to ya.  I couldn't disagree more.  I see it pissing off more people (myself included) than not.  That's just my opinion.

[jamesp81]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Alas, perhaps this trial is empty talk and Shepard goes rogue.

It would be lame if Earth was destroyed without a chance to prevent it.  GrimDark stories can all go burn in hell, as far as I'm concerned.

[Autoclave]

Trials are a plot device used a lot of times by Bioware in its games. I wonder what will it bring this time.

[jamesp81]

aimlessgun wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Nothing personal, but wow am I glad you aren't designing this game.

Er, really? You'd rather have the cliche than something powerful and new?

If Earth was destroyed, I think that could be part of something utterly amazing.

Itkovian wrote...
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Itkovian

I agree, it really isn't a huge deal. You can hold a trial like this lots of places. They can explain it well enough. But I agree with Zulu, big fear that they will not explain it at all.

Question about witchhunting Shepard...why can't Hackett find some stooge to frame instead of putting Shep on trial?

If Earth is destroyed, humanity is finished as a galactic power.  Done, over, dead, gone.  Bekenstein (the planet you visit in Kasumi's LM) is described as being one of humanity's most populous colonies.  It's population is 5.4 million or so.  You waste Earth, you kill about 98% of the human race.

That's a completely lametacular storyline.

[Nashiktal]

jamesp81 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

One of my most prominent concerns is Earth becoming the focal point of the trilogy, with humans being the race of importance. In essence ME3 would be your cliched shooter story that has been beaten to death. I, therefore, remain hopeful Earth is destroyed relatively early. If BioWare desires the unique approach, that would be a phenomenal way to accomplish it.

Nothing personal, but wow am I glad you aren't designing this game.

Er, really? You'd rather have the cliche than something powerful and new?

If Earth was destroyed, I think that could be part of something utterly amazing.

Itkovian wrote...
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Itkovian

I agree, it really isn't a huge deal. You can hold a trial like this lots of places. They can explain it well enough. But I agree with Zulu, big fear that they will not explain it at all.

Question about witchhunting Shepard...why can't Hackett find some stooge to frame instead of putting Shep on trial?

If Earth is destroyed, humanity is finished as a galactic power.  Done, over, dead, gone.  Bekenstein (the planet you visit in Kasumi's LM) is described as being one of humanity's most populous colonies.  It's population is 5.4 million or so.  You waste Earth, you kill about 98% of the human race.

That's a completely lametacular storyline.

I've been telling people about how small humanity actually is for quite some time now. People still think we can beat the Turians too.

amusedsnort/

[aimlessgun]

jamesp81 wrote...
If Earth is destroyed, humanity is finished as a galactic power.  Done, over, dead, gone.  Bekenstein (the planet you visit in Kasumi's LM) is described as being one of humanity's most populous colonies.  It's population is 5.4 million or so.  You waste Earth, you kill about 98% of the human race.

That's a completely lametacular storyline.

I actually think that would be an amazing storyline. Sad, poignant, compelling. You're now part of a race that's had it's home planet destroyed, a race that is now on the brink of survival.

I guess I understand that it wouldn't be popular though. People always want the happy ending.

[Nashiktal]

Happy? I'm fine with not happy. Just not the earth being destroyed. It feels just as cliched as saving the galaxy with earth surviving.

[JamieCOTC]

Christ! I just figured it out! They are going to use the Star Trek 4 plot. Shepard will be on his/her way to earth when the Reapers arrive. Shepard will then save the galaxy. Afterwards Shep will stand trial where the Council will praise Shep for his/her actions and the Alliance will raise his/her rank to Captain. The End.

[Mr.House]

I hope Earth get's destroyed in the first two hours of ME3.

[Wereparrot]

Daviddolan wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

What I don't understand is that this shouldn't be going to trial anyway.

I agree. Come on people, this 'Shepherd on Trial' theory has a hole in it that you could sail an oil tanker through sideways, and comfortably so. What evidence is there to accuse Shepherd of anything? I mean, all eyewitnesses are dead and the asteroid as well as the relay is destroyed. All anyone knows is that a batarian colony has been mysteriously removed from existence, along with a mass relay. The only way I can see this getting out is if Hackett betrays Shepherd. Am I missing something glaring?

Shepherd is the most famous human in the galaxy, he is known and recognised. He landed on a Batarian colony broke into a prison and and was not very quiet when leaving. In the following two days he was out cold it was likely that rumours and maybe a few vids of his pressence at the colony got out and found its way to the Batarians, the Alliance and the Citadel.

Shepherd's mere presence doesn't mean anything, and once people realised what he was doing it was probably too late to send word; rather, all they could do was try to stop him.

Chain of thought of most of galaxy -> Highly skilled, higly trained combat Spectre who is known to be able to achieve some alomost impossible goals such as saving the citadel from the geth is seen fighting and breaking out a human accused of terrorism on a Batarian colony in an area of space where two days later a mass relay, a device that is supposedly indesturctible, is destroyed. Hmm... who in that area of space at that time would have the capability and the balls to do something like that?

That's clutching at straws. There is no room for that in the application of justice.

[QwertyQwerty]

Spectres can go to jail. The council will not step in, they just don't expect Spectres to get caught.

[The Chosen Predator]

damn so much people must want to kill shepard,lol.

[wolfsite]

For the trial being on earth I would have to leave to this reason:

To many Variables to consider within the budget.

Shepard may or may not be Earthborn/Spacer/Colonist
Shepard may or may not be War Hero/Sole Survivor/Ruthless
Shepard may or may not be a Spectre
Shepard may or may not be responsible for actions at Zhu's Hope (Saving or letting the colony be destroyed)
Shepard may or may not be responsible saving the genophage cure or destroying it (which can be good or bad depending on your opinion)
Shepard may or may not be responsible for the genocide of the Rachni (Again good/bad based on opinion)

Well the list goes on and on and frankly the trial could end up happening anywhere depending on what happens, the Citadel would be the most logical choice since many of the accused's actions took place as a Spectre.

Earth from a game development point makes the most sense since it does save on having to create several trial locations to fit the outcome and from a in game stand-point since many humans view Shepard as a hero or as the only person who can stop the coming threat and thus would want to keep Shepard in a place with the least amount of "Alien" inlfuence.

[88mphSlayer]

the reason i can see why Shepard would be put on trial on earth is to appease the batarians, and because Alliance was known to be in the asteroid field at the time doing secret operations... you could have the trial on the citadel but with all the finger pointing at the alliance and earth's pride in Shepard it makes sense to have the trial on earth

Shepard is not low profile after all, the guy was like a rock star after ME1

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 31 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[88mphSlayer]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Christ! I just figured it out! They are going to use the Star Trek 4 plot. Shepard will be on his/her way to earth when the Reapers arrive. Shepard will then save the galaxy. Afterwards Shep will stand trial where the Council will praise Shep for his/her actions and the Alliance will raise his/her rank to Captain. The End.

either that or undiscovered country where shep gets thrown into a batarian prison based on evidence a spectre has been collecting on him and his squadmates rescue him just in time to go save the galaxy from imminent doom or something like that