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packardbell wrote...

 The Systems Alliance top brass is supposedely on Acturus and since ite happened on Earth that's who should judge Shepard on it.


With the advent of the extranet and holograms, the location is pretty much symbolic.

I can imagine the council being "present" alongside bloodthirty Batarian types and the regular human politicians. They won't physically be there, of course, but it'll give them a front seat to the Reaper invasion.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.


Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

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Still, nothing you said counters the fact that it accomplishes something - it entertains me.  You may not like it, hence it accomplished bugging the hell out of you.

You are irrelevant to the ME3 plot, therefore, the trial, as a part of that plot, accomplishes nothing by entertaining you.


Ah, so once again since you don't like the trial, it "accomplishes nothing". This, of course, is false.


Of course it is false, just like pretty much everything you post.

If you check out this thread, you'll know that I was practically in love with the idea of the trial. But since it's turned out it's going to be pointless, I'm now disliking it. Simple.


Yes, when I pointed out that the trial was probably going to be held on Earth - that was false - oh wait - it wasn't.  Feel free not to buy a copy of ME3 as you weep for Arcturus Station.

I've pointed out at least one possibility for the point of the trial - you ignore it.  Because you don't like it.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 09 avril 2011 - 08:02 .


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Oh really? And here I thought that it was all about the poor Batarians in the Arrival DLC, which accomplished nothing but paving a way to this trial, which accomplishes nothing.



The trial for the batarians can be used for multiple purposes.  For example, there can be dialogue from multiple races, indicating the state of relations between each other - giving us clues how our choices have impacted the galactic scene militarily and/or politically.  It can be a place to meet an old friend and catch up on what's happened with them and another choice made in a previous game.  And on and on. The trial is merely a backdrop for other events. 

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as a spectre i dissaprove.
If they put me on trial. i might as well leave them to the reapers.

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Isn't it obvious that the Alliance is trying to cover their ****. It's a show trial so the Alliance can give the appearance that the "Arrival/Alpha relay incident" wasn't a state sponsored act of terrorism. Regardless on who has official jurisdiction on trying Shepard for a war crime, it appears that the Alliance has decided to ignore/flout the Citadel Councils authority. It happens all the time with the Council's real-life/contemporary counterpart: the UN.

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.


Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever


Mass effect 2's supposed darker tone get's neutralised by the lack of seriousness throughout the plot, that makes the whole game feel like a giant teenage-scouting adventure.

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put shephard into prison,cerberus will surely get him out by force:P

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I wonder how they'd get witnesses.

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Gavinthelocust wrote...

I wonder how they'd get witnesses.


They could play quote-mined snippets from Arrival. That's how they got Saren.

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I wonder how they'd get witnesses.


maybe indoctrinated slaves or something.
If this is anyting like in BG1 and NWN2.
With the trials.

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gingi, cerberus wants to kill shepard in me3

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.


Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

I'm going to play devils advocate here and say that increasing the usage of the "f word" doesn't make it so they are alienating younger audiences...since we all know that once some twelve year learns about that word they start spewing it as every other word that comes out of their mouth. Don't get me wrong - it was handled very well but just saying. 

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".


I think this is more a matter of opinion. If we are going off the age ratings on the game then in the UK at least (I dont know about where you are) the first one is a 12 and the second is a 15, indicating that it is deemed to be more mature.  However you would most likely counter that with somehting but to all intents and purposes the game was both meant to, and for me WAS a darker game than its predesesor.  You disagree and thats fine, im just not sure two characters having large breasts suddenly makes it appealing to hormone crazed teenagers  

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MACharlie1 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.


Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

I'm going to play devils advocate here and say that increasing the usage of the "f word" doesn't make it so they are alienating younger audiences...since we all know that once some twelve year learns about that word they start spewing it as every other word that comes out of their mouth. Don't get me wrong - it was handled very well but just saying. 


Your right yes, it doesn't, and I too thought it was handled well.  What I do think however is that its use was done well enough for us to see that Bioware was going somewhere darker than the first.  The best example is the 'dont **** with aria' line.  It doesn't make you go 'ohhh this is DARKKK' on its own but it did make me sit up and realise that they were pointing us in a different direction than in the first

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".

I think this is more a matter of opinion. If we are going off the age ratings on the game then in the UK at least (I dont know about where you are) the first one is a 12 and the second is a 15, indicating that it is deemed to be more mature.  However you would most likely counter that with somehting but to all intents and purposes the game was both meant to, and for me WAS a darker game than its predesesor.  You disagree and thats fine, im just not sure two characters having large breasts suddenly makes it appealing to hormone crazed teenagers  

We're not going off the official age ratings, we're going off the target audience. That's a complete different story. Boobs in space make no other sense than to attract the audience that is uninterested in sci-fi, but is very much interested of all things in boobs.

Oh, and ME2 was "darker" than ME1 in the same way the Normandy SR-2 was darker than SR-1.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 avril 2011 - 09:24 .


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Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".

I think this is more a matter of opinion. If we are going off the age ratings on the game then in the UK at least (I dont know about where you are) the first one is a 12 and the second is a 15, indicating that it is deemed to be more mature.  However you would most likely counter that with somehting but to all intents and purposes the game was both meant to, and for me WAS a darker game than its predesesor.  You disagree and thats fine, im just not sure two characters having large breasts suddenly makes it appealing to hormone crazed teenagers  

We're not going off the official age ratings, we're going off the target audience. That's a complete different story. Boobs in space make no other sense than to attract the audience that is uninterested in sci-fi, but is very much interested of all things in boobs.

Oh, and ME2 was "darker" than ME1 in the same way the Normandy SR-2 was darker than SR-1.


what so no one in space can have large breasts? 'sorry, you cant go in that spaceship, zulu thinks your breasts are far to large' 

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".

I think this is more a matter of opinion. If we are going off the age ratings on the game then in the UK at least (I dont know about where you are) the first one is a 12 and the second is a 15, indicating that it is deemed to be more mature.  However you would most likely counter that with somehting but to all intents and purposes the game was both meant to, and for me WAS a darker game than its predesesor.  You disagree and thats fine, im just not sure two characters having large breasts suddenly makes it appealing to hormone crazed teenagers  

We're not going off the official age ratings, we're going off the target audience. That's a complete different story. Boobs in space make no other sense than to attract the audience that is uninterested in sci-fi, but is very much interested of all things in boobs.

Oh, and ME2 was "darker" than ME1 in the same way the Normandy SR-2 was darker than SR-1.

what so no one in space can have large breasts? 'sorry, you cant go in that spaceship, zulu thinks your breasts are far to large' 

I dont' care if you've got large breasts, but to my spaceship, you need to bring something like a space suit, or no spacewalks for you.

ME was supposed to be a sci-fi series, therefore, space suits should have trumped boobs. And indeed they did in ME1. in ME2 boobs trumped space suits, so no, ME2 wasn't more mature.

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I dont' care if you've got large breasts, but to my spaceship, you need to bring something like a space suit, or no spacewalks for you.

ME was supposed to be a sci-fi series, therefore, space suits should have trumped boobs. And indeed they did in ME1. in ME2 boobs trumped space suits, so no, ME2 wasn't more mature.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh, and as far as the entertainment goes, saying "buttocks" aloud entertains many people too.

Maybe little childern......

Yes, and the general direction of the development of the series suggests that EA/BioWare are trying to tap into the younger audience, so it's not at all surprising that we're going to see a Reaper vs. Thresher Maw catfight in ME3.

Apart from ME2 darker tone, use of the F word, phsycopathic murderes who shag you to death, gang warfare, messed up experiemnts, the dark twist at the end of overlord etc. seriosuly zulu, how in any way has bioware attempted to tap into younger audiences? the second game is much darker and more adult than the first, except for the sex sceen but thats proably becuase of the fox news thing. I may not agree with your points Zulu, but you seem to always apply some sense of logic to your ideas.  This statemeant has no logic in it whatsoever

You only forgot the boobs in space. Seriously, all those things you mentioned are technically prohibited for "the younger audience", but it is a lot more interested in them than "the more mature audience".

I think this is more a matter of opinion. If we are going off the age ratings on the game then in the UK at least (I dont know about where you are) the first one is a 12 and the second is a 15, indicating that it is deemed to be more mature.  However you would most likely counter that with somehting but to all intents and purposes the game was both meant to, and for me WAS a darker game than its predesesor.  You disagree and thats fine, im just not sure two characters having large breasts suddenly makes it appealing to hormone crazed teenagers  

We're not going off the official age ratings, we're going off the target audience. That's a complete different story. Boobs in space make no other sense than to attract the audience that is uninterested in sci-fi, but is very much interested of all things in boobs.

Oh, and ME2 was "darker" than ME1 in the same way the Normandy SR-2 was darker than SR-1.

what so no one in space can have large breasts? 'sorry, you cant go in that spaceship, zulu thinks your breasts are far to large' 

I dont' care if you've got large breasts, but to my spaceship, you need to bring something like a space suit, or no spacewalks for you.

ME was supposed to be a sci-fi series, therefore, space suits should have trumped boobs. And indeed they did in ME1. in ME2 boobs trumped space suits, so no, ME2 wasn't more mature.


I didn't say it was more MATURE i said it was DARKER.  The boobs thing may bother you but I thought it was realatively amusing, didnt make me hate the game or want to complain about it.

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I didn't say it was more MATURE i said it was DARKER.  The boobs thing may bother you but I thought it was realatively amusing, didnt make me hate the game or want to complain about it.

"Darker" and "amusing" aren't really getting together well. Unless the whole thing is a farce and mockery of the "darker" part.

We're working for the terrorists, but they are herp derp.
We're fighting a super-advanced race but it is herp derp.
An ancient evil machine-god controls this race, but sounds like a suburban weirdo.

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sponge56 wrote...

I didn't say it was more MATURE i said it was DARKER.  The boobs thing may bother you but I thought it was realatively amusing, didnt make me hate the game or want to complain about it.

"Darker" and "amusing" aren't really getting together well. Unless the whole thing is a farce and mockery of the "darker" part.

We're working for the terrorists, but they are herp derp.
We're fighting a super-advanced race but it is herp derp.
An ancient evil machine-god controls this race, but sounds like a suburban weirdo.


Again, your opinion.  I accept that you think the first game was darker and more mature than the first, I disagree but thats fine.  Everythings only herp derp if you analyse it to much, and that tends to happen with most things when you do that, even in real life.  And yes, there was comedy to alievate the darker tone, otherwise it would just have been a depressing experience

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sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

I didn't say it was more MATURE i said it was DARKER.  The boobs thing may bother you but I thought it was realatively amusing, didnt make me hate the game or want to complain about it.

"Darker" and "amusing" aren't really getting together well. Unless the whole thing is a farce and mockery of the "darker" part.

We're working for the terrorists, but they are herp derp.
We're fighting a super-advanced race but it is herp derp.
An ancient evil machine-god controls this race, but sounds like a suburban weirdo.

Again, your opinion.  I accept that you think the first game was darker and more mature than the first, I disagree but thats fine.  Everythings only herp derp if you analyse it to much, and that tends to happen with most things when you do that, even in real life.  And yes, there was comedy to alievate the darker tone, otherwise it would just have been a depressing experience

And what do you think prompts this over-analysing? Maybe it has something to do with the obvious and self-evident flaws of ME2.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

I didn't say it was more MATURE i said it was DARKER.  The boobs thing may bother you but I thought it was realatively amusing, didnt make me hate the game or want to complain about it.

"Darker" and "amusing" aren't really getting together well. Unless the whole thing is a farce and mockery of the "darker" part.

We're working for the terrorists, but they are herp derp.
We're fighting a super-advanced race but it is herp derp.
An ancient evil machine-god controls this race, but sounds like a suburban weirdo.

Again, your opinion.  I accept that you think the first game was darker and more mature than the first, I disagree but thats fine.  Everythings only herp derp if you analyse it to much, and that tends to happen with most things when you do that, even in real life.  And yes, there was comedy to alievate the darker tone, otherwise it would just have been a depressing experience

And what do you think prompts this over-analysing? Maybe it has something to do with the obvious and self-evident flaws of ME2.


In your opinion yes it does.  however for me it was a vastly superior game to the first, it made sense (apart from that ridiculous bit where you have to leave the ship so that the collectors could abduct everyone, i admit that) and again, many things in real life have flaws and even 'plot holes'.  "Ohhh nuclear bomb was simply dues ex machinima so the allies could beat the japanese", "why would hitler start a war on two fronts, that doesn't make sense!! OMG PLOT HOLE MUCH!".  The cerberus thing even has a small parralel to world war two. shepard working for cerberus is similar to the west fighting with russia. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  Its a game, its intersting to analyse and talk about but not to over analyse