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[Avissel]

Nashiktal wrote...

Go and read the first contact war codex entry. The alliance, which was largely ignored at the time before the war. While earth nations argued about what to do, the alliance without permission took the fight to the turians.

Ever since then the alliance took the mantle and became the ruling body for humanity. To the alliance, earth is a well developed "colony." if you take notice, it's an alliance leader, not earth on the council. (earth is still divided between nations of various stages of advancement.) all the diplomacy and negotiations are between the alliance officials and other species. Any ruling that the alliance makes earth has to follow. (galactic policy)

They didnt become the ruleing body, they became the reprasentitive body, there is a difference.

[Zulu_DFA]

Avissel wrote...

None of the codex entries I've read make it out that the Alliance "went rogue" from Earth.
When the governments of Earth were arguing over who should deal with Shanxi and how, the Alliance stepped up and dealt with it, the popularity gained allowed them to form the Parliament and cement their place as "humanity's face" in the galaxy.

Right, and Earth's quarelling gov'ments had just to deal with the fact, that they are not the "humanity's face any more".

Also, acting without authorization from the higher tier element is practically the definition of "going rogue" (although BioWare often uses this term in a more broad and/or slightly different sense).

Avissel wrote...

It's never implied that Earth retains no over site over them.

It is implied in the fact that the Alliance has it's own Parliament. And athough President Huerta seems to have been retconned from the position of the Alliance President into the UNAS President, I'm damn sure the British Queen is not the head of state of the Alliance.

Avissel wrote...

The Parlament would be made up of the Earth Nations and Colony/spacers.

Of spacers we know for sure. The colonies, I have no intention to dispute. Earth nation's representatives - source, please.

Avissel wrote...

If the Alliance had staged a coup and formed thier own goverment, it probably would have been something more like a military state than a repasentive based goverment.

Who says a fascist hunta can't have a puppet parliament for the show of legitimacy?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 04:41 .

[Nashiktal]

An independent representative body, that makes all the decisions regarding galactic matters, handles all diplomacy with other races, defense, and flow of resources.

While Earth has no single united representative, just before the first contact war were actually fighting amongst themselves (Washington was being bombed) and still can't seem to do anything but eat resources.

So if by Representative, you mean making all the decisions with little to no input of Earth, sure.

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Might have something to do with the fact that Captain Anderson has some kinsfolk on Earth. Which doesn't mean Earth has any authority in the Alliance.

But.. The alliance parlament is made up of the Earth Nations

Source?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Alliance

It's not that hard to figure something like that out.

Canon source, please.

[candidate88766]

From the codex, on the Systems Alliance Government:

"It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members."

In similar modern bodies, such as the UN, the most powerful members have more power and sway than the others (see UN Security Council, or how the EU functions) so representation based on population of member nations seems likely. If this is the case, then Earth has the majority of influence and in effect is in charge of the Alliance - it has a population of over 11 billion, even Terra Nova only has a population of 4.4 million, which the codex states is the highest population of any human colony. If Earth is essentially in charge of the Alliance there is no reason that trials cannot be held on it.

Particularly if, as someone mentioned on the previous page, it is a show trial - in which case in is more poignant if held on what the codex calls the 'Capital of Humanity', Earth.

[Someone With Mass]

Earth or Arcturus station. I don't care that much either way. The point is that they'll be interrupted by the Reapers, and Shep is forced to flee the scene. Simple.

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or perhaps since Shepard's human, it's required of him to stand trial on his homeworld. It's neither that big of a deal or a plot hole.

"Homeworld" arguments are not accepted from the talimancers.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth or Arcturus station. I
don't care that much either way. The point is that they'll be
interrupted by the Reapers, and Shep is forced to flee the scene.
Simple.

And since that is an out-of-game reason, it doesn't cover the plot hole.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 04:47 .

[candidate88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Might have something to do with the fact that Captain Anderson has some kinsfolk on Earth. Which doesn't mean Earth has any authority in the Alliance.

But.. The alliance parlament is made up of the Earth Nations

Source?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Alliance

It's not that hard to figure something like that out.

Canon source, please.

You're not seriously about to insist that the in-game codex isn't canon are you?

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Canon source, please.

Are you just acting dumb now?

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

"Homeworld" arguments are not accepted from the talimancers.

And the arguments about the rights of humanity aren't accepted by Cerberus slaves. 

[candidate88766]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

"Homeworld" arguments are not accepted from the talimancers.

And the arguments about the rights of humanity aren't accepted by Cerberus slaves. 

firstaid.org/how-to-treat-burns

[Avissel]

Yes, they formed a Parliament. It says they formed it due to political good will, not just saying "We are in charge now." Seeing as how the Alliance is a co-operative venture between the 18 largest earth Nations, it's not much of a logical jump to consider that those same nations are members of said parliament.

Do you have source that says they aren't in the parliament?

[Zulu_DFA]

candidate88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Might have something to do with the fact that Captain Anderson has some kinsfolk on Earth. Which doesn't mean Earth has any authority in the Alliance.

But.. The alliance parlament is made up of the Earth Nations

Source?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Alliance

It's not that hard to figure something like that out.

Canon source, please.

You're not seriously about to insist that the in-game codex isn't canon are you?

Please find the line in the in-game Codex, where it states that the Alliance's Parliament is "made up of Earth's nations", or that the Earth's nations (governments) even elect (appoint) their official representatives to the Alliance's Parliament.

Even if it was so (I suppose citizens of Earth's nations can emigrate to the Alliance colonies / become spacers and thus run for the Alliance parliament), it wouldn't necessarily mean that Earth's nations have any more representation / political weigh, than the colonies and powerful spacers (which Earth nations' deputies would naturally become, after spending half a year on the Arcturus station).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 04:55 .

[Almostfaceman]

Nashiktal wrote...

An independent representative body, that makes all the decisions regarding galactic matters, handles all diplomacy with other races, defense, and flow of resources.

While Earth has no single united representative, just before the first contact war were actually fighting amongst themselves (Washington was being bombed) and still can't seem to do anything but eat resources.

So if by Representative, you mean making all the decisions with little to no input of Earth, sure.

Source that:
Little to no input from Earth
And
Earth sucks all the resources without providing any

Prove it - in codex.

[Merchant2006]

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now? I'm just sifting through posts and they have no relevance to the OP... atleast that's what I'm seeing. And I see CHUCKLEVISION so I must be right.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Might have something to do with the fact that Captain Anderson has some kinsfolk on Earth. Which doesn't mean Earth has any authority in the Alliance.

But.. The alliance parlament is made up of the Earth Nations

Source?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Alliance

It's not that hard to figure something like that out.

Canon source, please.

You're not seriously about to insist that the in-game codex isn't canon are you?

Please find the line in the in-game Codex, where it states that the Alliance's Parliament is "made up of Earth's nations", or that the Earth's nations (governments) even elect (appoint) their official representatives to the Alliance's Parliament.

Please find the line where they don't.

[Avissel]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now? I'm just sifting through posts and they have no relevance to the OP... atleast that's what I'm seeing. And I see CHUCKLEVISION so I must be right.

Good old fashioned internet pissing match at this point.

[candidate88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Please find the line in the in-game Codex, where it states that the Alliance's Parliament is "made up of Earth's nations", or that the Earth's nations (governments) even elect (appoint) their official representatives to the Alliance's Parliament.

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Please find the line in the in-game Codex, where it states that the Alliance's Parliament is "made up of Earth's nations", or that the Earth's nations (governments) even elect (appoint) their official representatives to the Alliance's Parliament.

Does it matter if it's not word for word? 

Anyone with a brain can figure out what they mean.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now?

People are assuming that the Alliance has no major presence on Earth, which by the way is @#$%ing stupid, and acting like this assumption is not an assumption, but established lore.

[Almostfaceman]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now?

People are assuming that the Alliance has no major presence on Earth, which by the way is @#$%ing stupid, and acting like this assumption is not an assumption, but established lore.

Yup.

[Nashiktal]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now?

People are assuming that the Alliance has no major presence on Earth, which by the way is @#$%ing stupid, and acting like this assumption is not an assumption, but established lore.

Actually its the other way around. Earth has little presence in the Alliance, and as such Shep being an Alliance citizen, and soldier, should be tried as such at the Alliance capital.

[Someone With Mass]

Let me ask you something. Does it really matter if Shepard's trial is on Earth or the Arcturus station? I doubt Shepard is going to get convicted either, because the damn Reapers will show up and start destroying everything.

And I think it's actually safer for him to be on Earth than aboard some space station the Reapers can destroy with ease.

[Almostfaceman]

Nashiktal wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Can someone inform me as to what the hell is going on here now?

People are assuming that the Alliance has no major presence on Earth, which by the way is @#$%ing stupid, and acting like this assumption is not an assumption, but established lore.

Actually its the other way around. Earth has little presence in the Alliance, and as such Shep being an Alliance citizen, and soldier, should be tried as such at the Alliance capital.

Prove it has little presence in the Alliance.

There is no established lore about where the Alliance holds trials.