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[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
That's exactly what I do, while some people are fantasizing that the "homeworld" is somehow important for the Alliance politicians.

Earth is the most overpopulated human controlled planet in the galaxy in case you haven't noticed.

fixed.

That's why it's the most painful pain in the arse for the Alliance politicians. And if this falls under the category "important", than I stand corrected.

[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...

Veiled insults from someone who doesnt accept facts from the codex doesn't support the argument against Earth.

I can accept facts from the Codex. I understand that it was made by the creators of Mass Effect.

I won't accept bull****, though. That's the currency for the trolls.

[Zulu_DFA]

chester013 wrote...

Well it's happening nit pickers, deal with it and move on.

We ARE dealing with it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

[Avissel]

SalsaDMA wrote...

If you doubt this, tell me something. Who has control in china? The numerous population, or the military with resource control and political power?

China isn't governed by the military. It's governed by the CPC.

A better analogy for that would by North Korea, which IS ruled by the military.

[Zulu_DFA]

Arcian wrote...

Wow, are we still debating the alleged independence of the Systems Alliance.

Okay then.

According to the Mass Effect Wiki...

And according to the in-game Codex, Mass Effect Wiki is incorrect.

Arcian wrote...

Without Earth there would not be a Systems Alliance.

That's right. But, seeing as how the Alliance became independent and self-reliant, that fact fails to maintain importance.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 06:26 .

[SalsaDMA]

Arcian wrote...

Wow, are we still debating the alleged independence of the Systems Alliance.

Okay then.

According to the Mass Effect Wiki...
The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead. While the Alliance is relatively new to the galactic community, it has already made a name for itself, gaining humans an embassy on the Presidium. The Alliance is governed by a parliament based at Arcturus Station; the station also serves as the Alliance's capital.

Not only do the Alliance officially represent Earth on the galactic scene, they are also backed by the nations of Earth which means they are NOT independent as you claim.

Nothing in the Systems Alliance article even slightly suggests that the Alliance is independent. If you search for the word "independent" on the article (and there is only 1 instance of the word), you  get the information pertaining to the non-Alliance Terminus colonies.

Nothing on the Systems Alliance being independent.

According to the Mass Effect Wiki...

Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory. Shortly thereafter, the various nations of Earth pooled their military resources to create the Systems Alliance Military.

Yet again, representative. A representative party is not independent, it REPRESENTS the higher parties that it is composed of, in this case the nations on Earth.

According to the Mass Effect Wiki...

The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth.

Among the Citadel races, the Alliance is considered a sovereign nation and no other species has right of oversight into Alliance affairs.

Yet again, it is mentioned as a supranational government. If it was independent, it would not be supranational.

TL;DR: Without Earth there would not be a Systems Alliance.

It's as independant to earth, as USA is independant to, say, Texas.

Texas doesn't tell USA what to do, it just has legal jurisdiction, within rights, of its own territory.

Earth, or the multiple nations Earth consists of, doesn't tell Alliance what to do regarding Alliance matters. They just hold jurisidiction over their own internal national affairs.

[SalsaDMA]

Avissel wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

If you doubt this, tell me something. Who has control in china? The numerous population, or the military with resource control and political power?

China isn't governed by the military. It's governed by the CPC.

A better analogy for that would by North Korea, which IS ruled by the military.

From what I hear, the CPC isn't above utilizing the military if 'needs be' against the population either.
Regardless, it's clear who has the power there, and it's not the massive population, but the military, the politcal party and the resource control.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 12 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Avissel wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

If you doubt this, tell me something. Who has control in china? The numerous population, or the military with resource control and political power?

China isn't governed by the military. It's governed by the CPC.

A better analogy for that would by North Korea, which IS ruled by the military.

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And according to the in-game Codex, Mass Effect Wiki is incorrect.

Okay, smartass. Tell us where and how. Enlighten us.

[Avissel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

The Defacto Head of state for North Korea is Kim Jong -Ill. His title is "Chairman of theNational Defense Commission of North Korea" He is the Supreme Leader of the Nation Military and the most powerful person in the government. It's a military dictatership.

Modifié par Avissel, 12 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And according to the in-game Codex, Mass Effect Wiki is incorrect.

Okay, smartass. Tell us where and how. Enlighten us.

Aaargh, name-calling, aaarghh!

Be enlightened:

Arcian wrote...

[multiple quotes of Wiki bullsh*t]

Yet again, it is mentioned as a supranational government. If it was independent, it would not be supranational.

In-game Codex:

"The Systems Alliance is an independent supranational government representing the interests of
humanity as a whole. "

Mind you, to represent interests of party A before party B, you do not necessarily need to be appointed for that by the party A. You can be admitted for that by the party B, and the party A may as well have to deal with it.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 07:02 .

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

If you doubt this, tell me something. Who has control in china? The numerous population, or the military with resource control and political power?

China isn't governed by the military. It's governed by the CPC.

A better analogy for that would by North Korea, which IS ruled by the military.

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

No, North korea is ruled by  the Worker's part of Korea.

[Zulu_DFA]

Arcian wrote...

The wiki is based on the ****ing codex.

And it fails to convey it correctly. Hell, it can't even get the timeline straight.

It has a section with verbatim quotes from the Codex though, even with "audiotapes". So you can link me to them you you find something that supports your position there.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 avril 2011 - 06:53 .

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

No, North korea is ruled by  the Worker's part of Korea.

Still communist.


And ruled by douchebag.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Avissel wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

If you doubt this, tell me something. Who has control in china? The numerous population, or the military with resource control and political power?

China isn't governed by the military. It's governed by the CPC.

A better analogy for that would by North Korea, which IS ruled by the military.

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

No, North korea is ruled by  the Worker's part of Korea.

Right.

[Someone With Mass]

Oh, the Alliance is independent. Big whoop.

Still doesn't change the fact that it was founded by the governments on Earth.

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Still doesn't change the fact that it was founded by the governments on Earth.

Still doesn't change the fact that it became independent almost 30 years ago.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

No, North korea is ruled by  the Worker's part of Korea.

Still communist.


And ruled by douchebag.

Wrong, The offical ideology of North Korean is the Juche idea.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Still doesn't change the fact that it was founded by the governments on Earth.

Still doesn't change the fact that it became independent almost 30 years ago.

Is it really impossible to hold the trial on Earth?

[Zulu_DFA]

Avissel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

North Korea is also ruled by the communist party.

The Defacto Head of state for North Korea is Kim Jong -Ill. His title is "Chairman of theNational Defense Commission of North Korea" He is the Supreme Leader of the Nation Military and the most powerful person in the government. It's a military dictatership.

Many heads of state, including the President of the USA, are commnaders-in-chief of the respective military forces.

North Korea is not a military dictatorship, it's a communist dictatorship. Naturally, any dictatorship heavily relies on its military force... Becasue it's a primary (and, historically, the very first) source of political power.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lizardviking wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Still doesn't change the fact that it was founded by the governments on Earth.

Still doesn't change the fact that it became independent almost 30 years ago.

Is it really impossible to hold the trial on Earth?

Not impossible. But without an proper explanation it's a plot hole.

[AquamanOS]

Ok most of this makes no sense. The Alliance started from Earth, is made up of people that came from Earth or their decendents, and is based out of the Solar System in which Earth is the main inhabited planet. Just because they have space travel now doesn't mean Humanity suddenly has no home planet and lives in space. They aren't the Quarian's all of a sudden. Nor does humanity live on the Citadel. No one species has their entire population on the Citadel. Most of them remain on their homeworlds.

Earth is the human homeworld, like all the other races except the Quarian's have theirs, and the majority of humans still live there. Just because they travel in space now doesn't mean they've totally forgotten and ignored it now.

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Not impossible. But without an proper explanation it's a plot hole.

Yeah. A very, VERY insignificant plot hole.