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[Capeo]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

The example was more of how the Supreme Court is high-up and important. Don't act like I don't know what they do and don't do.

And are you the same guy that added in the whole "Inherit the Wind" thing before? Because that was retarded.

I'm retarted for bringing up the most famous courtroom drama of all time after you accused me of ignoring the worth of trials in literature and art?  Sorry, is A Few Good Men more up your alley? 

And I brought up what the Supreme Court does and doesn't do because you stated they did something they don't so don't get all pissy with because I pointed out you were factually wrong.

Modifié par Capeo, 13 avril 2011 - 10:33 .

[Capeo]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

I thought that the Systems Allaince is on Earth and Arctusis Space Station is more or less headquaters for the Alliance fleet and not the Alliance itself.

That's not what it says in the Codex.  Arcturus is the seat of government of the Alliance.  That's where the Parliment is as well as the headquaters of the military.  The Alliance is distinct from Earth and has acted unilaterally without any input from Earth's governments. 

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

  to Zulu:

you are right that we don´t know the extent of legislative relations  between erath nations and alliance, precisely that kind of unceranity, due to the nature of extradition agreements, could permit  Shepared to be judged on earth, hell even in luxemburg.

it is also important to know that shepard doesn´t have to be judged by a military authority but, as in case of crime against humanity, by a special tribunal.

as i stated before, it is first of all a matter of who will catch shepard, and who will accuse him in first place...... 

you are right in a way, that in arrival, the admiral seems already to know that the trial place will be earth, and thus he already seems to know who will catch shepard, and who will judge him and on what accusations.
that definitely slipped to the writers[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie], but it is not a plothole as there are many plausible reasons why shepard can be judged on earth( see my post before), so lets just wait for ME3.....

it is funny in a way, you know zulu, you are so precise about story and it´s conseguences, you demand to have all the explanations and the details, but you are missing, at the moment, the bigger picure: the ME3 plot, with all it´s details and explanation[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]


you are the devil´s advocate, you make the ME writers suffer

[Zulu_DFA]

Capeo wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

I thought that the Systems Allaince is on Earth and Arctusis Space Station is more or less headquaters for the Alliance fleet and not the Alliance itself.

That's not what it says in the Codex.  Arcturus is the seat of government of the Alliance.  That's where the Parliment is as well as the headquaters of the military.  The Alliance is distinct from Earth and has acted unilaterally without any input from Earth's governments. 

The Arcturus Station also has some kind of a dockyard, where the Alliance dreadnoughts (and, presumably, smaller craft) are built, and the Academy, where the naval personnel, incuding flight officers and marine officers are trained.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 13 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[Capeo]

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

  to Zulu:

you are right that we don´t know the extent of legislative relations  between erath nations and alliance, precisely that kind of unceranity, due to the nature of extradition agreements, could permit  Shepared to be judged on earth, hell even in luxemburg.

it is also important to know that shepard doesn´t have to be judged by a military authority but, as in case of crime against humanity, by a special tribunal.

as i stated before, it is first of all a matter of who will catch shepard, and who will accuse him in first place...... 

you are right in a way, that in arrival, the admiral seems already to know that the trial place will be earth, and thus he already seems to know who will catch shepard, and who will judge him and on what accusations.
that definitely slipped to the writers[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie], but it is not a plothole as there are many plausible reasons why shepard can be judged on earth( see my post before), so lets just wait for ME3.....

it is funny in a way, you know zulu, you are so precise about story and it´s conseguences, you demand to have all the explanations and the details, but you are missing, at the moment, the bigger picure: the ME3 plot, with all it´s details and explanation[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]


you are the devil´s advocate, you make the ME writers suffer

Nobody is going to catch Shepard.  You have no choice.  There are NO choices in Arrival.  You can't tell Hackett to go screw, you can't do anything.  All conversation still ends with basically the same "when Earth calls I expect you to come" BS.  Earth isn't the problem, it's the ridiculously plot hole ridden DLC used as an excuse to get Shepard there.

[Silmane]

Capeo wrote...

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

  to Zulu:

you are right that we don´t know the extent of legislative relations  between erath nations and alliance, precisely that kind of unceranity, due to the nature of extradition agreements, could permit  Shepared to be judged on earth, hell even in luxemburg.

it is also important to know that shepard doesn´t have to be judged by a military authority but, as in case of crime against humanity, by a special tribunal.

as i stated before, it is first of all a matter of who will catch shepard, and who will accuse him in first place...... 

you are right in a way, that in arrival, the admiral seems already to know that the trial place will be earth, and thus he already seems to know who will catch shepard, and who will judge him and on what accusations.
that definitely slipped to the writers[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie], but it is not a plothole as there are many plausible reasons why shepard can be judged on earth( see my post before), so lets just wait for ME3.....

it is funny in a way, you know zulu, you are so precise about story and it´s conseguences, you demand to have all the explanations and the details, but you are missing, at the moment, the bigger picure: the ME3 plot, with all it´s details and explanation[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]


you are the devil´s advocate, you make the ME writers suffer

Nobody is going to catch Shepard.  You have no choice.  There are NO choices in Arrival.  You can't tell Hackett to go screw, you can't do anything.  All conversation still ends with basically the same "when Earth calls I expect you to come" BS.  Earth isn't the problem, it's the ridiculously plot hole ridden DLC used as an excuse to get Shepard there.

Which, I honestly didn't think bioware was capable of. New low in writing for them.

[Zulu_DFA]

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

  to Zulu:

you are right that we don´t know the extent of legislative relations  between erath nations and alliance, precisely that kind of unceranity, due to the nature of extradition agreements, could permit  Shepared to be judged on earth, hell even in luxemburg.

it is also important to know that shepard doesn´t have to be judged by a military authority but, as in case of crime against humanity, by a special tribunal.

And since Shepard's crimes are not agains humanity, but agains batarianity, I can't see why he would be "extradited" to Earth... And Extradiotion still nead some kind of trial to determine if that course of action.

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

as i stated before, it is first of all a matter of who will catch shepard, and who will accuse him in first place...... 

you are right in a way, that in arrival, the admiral seems already to know that the trial place will be earth, and thus he already seems to know who will catch shepard, and who will judge him and on what accusations.
that definitely slipped to the writers[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie], but it is not a plothole as there are many plausible reasons why shepard can be judged on earth( see my post before), so lets just wait for ME3.....

it is funny in a way, you know zulu, you are so precise about story and it´s conseguences, you demand to have all the explanations and the details, but you are missing, at the moment, the bigger picure: the ME3 plot, with all it´s details and explanation[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

you are the devil´s advocate, you make the ME writers suffer

It would be a lot better if Shepard was indeed "caught" by somebody, since it would remove the element of shoehorning and denying the players the ability to roleplay their different Shepards  about such an important step as going to that trial voluntarily... But that seems to be exactly what's going to happen: Shepard will be shoehorned into coming to Earth voluntarily.

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

 zulu you know at what i was aiming at with crimes against humanity.....crimes against any living sentient creature( buuh i hope this is right in English), ehm obviously we have no such thing today on earth.

shepard would never be extradited to earth by someone else not favorable to earth and human reputation, but earth , if it gets hold of shepard first, could not give shepard to anybody else to be judged, especially batarians

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Extradition

there are a lot of refusal possibilities down there....................

and Shepard could well surrender in the hands of ashley or kaidan, don´t you think?

[eye basher]

well someone has to take the blame for blowing up a whole system and seeing as shepard is the greatest scapegoat that has ever existed and he/her is the one that pushed the button so looks like is on him/her.

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

Nobody is going to catch Shepard.  You have no choice.  There are NO choices in Arrival.  You can't tell Hackett to go screw, you can't do anything.  All conversation still ends with basically the same "when Earth calls I expect you to come" BS.  Earth isn't the problem, it's the ridiculously plot hole ridden DLC used as an excuse to get Shepard there.

.......


i see arrival as a starting point not an end

we don´t know that will happen between arrival and ME3

you could be right, but you also could be wrong

i´ll wait ME3

[celuloid]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Silmane wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

shepard is going to earth for trial because he blew up a batarian system wiping out 300,000 lives and does not have any proof of the reapers coming (as it all went up with the system). the batarians want blood, they have always wanted an excuse to go to war with earth. shepards trial is symbolic it is to avoid war and keep the peace with the batarians.
this is all in arrival.

And it all doesn't make a little bit of sence.

1. The Alliance admitting responsibility for a covert op, which the Batarians can't prove ever happened. For all the Galaxy knows it could be the Batarians themselves who blew up their relay.

2. How trying Shepard can appease them, when they want blood? They want more than one gallon of it, I guess...

3. And how setting the trial on Earth and not on the Citadel / Arcturus station can help with any of that?

4. If Sheaprd is a Spectre, the Alliance:
a) can't touch him,
must be happy to declare him a "Council's mad dog, not ours!" to avoid the responsibility for the Bahak System.

5. How does Hackett know it all in advance???

their system was blown up shepard was probs seen breaking the dr out of the prision that is all the need and as i said the trial is to keep the peace

Every Batarian that ran into Shepard got killed. How would anyone even know that was Shepard? Nevermind that you can suit up in a Cerberus full suit, a collector like get up, a couple helmets that completely block your face.

Nevermind that you can completely restructure your face after dying in the beginning of ME2.

Lol. That made me think of a scene.

"Ok, can you point out which of the following 3 persons where at prison facility?"
*3 guys in full cerberus suits stand against a wall..*
"Eh... They all look alike..."
"You DID say this was the armor the guy breaking out the prisoner was wearing, right?"
"Yes.."
"Does any of the 3 people look like the person you saw?"
"All 3 look like him.. I can't tell them apart for crying out loud!"
"I see...."

{smilie}

Did you actually play the Arrival DLC?
1. Shepard comes in to free Kenson and then introduces himself in front of recording equipment: "Hi, I'm Commander Shepard and I came to rescue you". Shepard effectively "saved" criminal who openly admitted she was going to blow relay. And then 2 days pass and Batarian system gets destroyed.
2. Shortly before destruction of system Shepard transmits partial message to Normandy or Batarian colonies. This message gets away, because we can see Joker trying to communicate through noisy channel.
3. Then shuttle with indoctrinated humans takes off. We have yet to see how this will work out exactly, but it will surely work out to Shepard's disadvantage. They are indoctrinated, for Christ's sake.

Even Batarians can add two and two, but obviously people on this forum cannot. I don't get how anyone can be so DENSE to sweep Shepard's involvement under the rug.

Now that we have irrefutably established Shepard's involvement is public knowledge, let's focus on the actual place of trial.

1. Khar'Shan - Shepard is not suicidal to attend this trial (or is he?). Do Batarians even recognize concept of trial? Alliance won't extradite Shepard without trial because Alliance public will go crazy. They will demonize him first and for that they need impression of just trial. And besides, people forget that Alliance itself has many scores to settle with Shepard.
Jacob Taylor: "We might be tried and executed. You can't count on people to see things our way".
Cerberus and Shepard is Alliance problem, Alliance will deal with it. Thus, Khar'Shan is a no go.

2. Citadel - Let's make one thing clear. Council does not do trials. This is what Council does:
Representatives of Council races can appeal to Council and then they might be admitted to hearing. As a result of this hearing, Council can make political or military decisions for the greater good of galaxy. They don't do trials and don't sentence people to prison/execution/torture. They don't have time for this.
Saren did not get trial. He was stripped of Spectre status and left for any law enforcement to take care of him. That is all Council will do with Spectre-Shepard - kick him out of Spectres. Now you might insist this act has to be shown on camera, and for that you must wait for ME3. Don't post on forum claiming the game has plotholes when you only saw GameInformer article which describes canon storyline. You know, the one where Council is dead and Shepard is not Spectre anymore.

3. Arcturus station
People claim that having trial outside Arcturus is plothole.
What part of canon does explicitly state that trials are held on Arcturus station? You claim trials are held on Arcturus but where is proof?
Where. Is. The. Goddamn. Proof !?!

Ashley Williams: "They brought him [General Williams] back to Earth in irons. But there wasn't any trial".
I will spell this out for you:
They brought Alliance general back to Earth. In order to punish him. Alliance was subject to Earth even after Relay 314 incident. Your argument is lost, Arcturus defendants.
Your whole reasoning about Arcturus independence from Earth is flawed. Alliance's position was augmented because of their ability to deal with threats. They did not usurp power in military coup and they are not military dictatorship. They are plural parliamentary democracy with elected representatives. 99% percent of people live on Earth and that means Earth is proportionally represented in parliament. You cannot be so deluded to suggest Earth augmented Alliance's power only to have no representation in parliament. Alliance is galactic frontend of humanity and humanity is 99% Earth. Thus, Alliance is 99% Earth.
Alliance (aka Earth) can deal with criminals however they deem appropriate. Dealing with them in confined space station next to Parliament and Military HQ is plothole. It does not make any sense.

Now I would appreciate someone to refute any of my reasonings. Not with non-arguments like: "ME3 will not give us proper explanation", but with actual ingame lore.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
    

    Arcian wrote...

    I remember two scenes in ME1 that quite clearly indicates that Earth is very relevant to the Alliance, for example, the reporter that Shepard can punch out frequently mentions Earth by name in the interview or refers to it by the phrase "people back home", and even outright asks Shepard if the Council has ever asked him/her to place their needs before the needs of Earth. She also refers to the Normandy as "Earth's" vessel. She finishes the interview with "The eyes of Earth are on you". For reference.
    

But at least you're starting to think now. So I'll tell you a secret: there is certain canon material that can pawn me quite seriously (not that I couldn't hold against, but still), yet for 50 pages not a single apologist of the trial on Earth mentioned it.

Maybe you would want to share with us? Point of this discussion is to come to objective conclusion about what is feasible and what is not according to ME canon. But you are obviously here only to dismiss all ingame lore which contradicts your cause and that is having written ME specifically to accomodate your view on Arcturus station. Show me a single line of dialogue in ME1 or ME2 where NPC mentions Arcturus station. There are dozens of Earth references. If Arcturus is retconned right now, it would not matter. Nobody saw it and nobody heard about it, effectively it does not exist in most perceptions of ME universe. That is the only argument you need for having trial on Earth. I was generous and offered you reasons why anything else does not make sense. You have only one codex entry about a station containing Parliament and Military HQ. Where are the courts? Where is the evidence of court locations?

Modifié par celuloid, 15 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[Zulu_DFA]

celuloid wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
    

    Arcian wrote...

    I remember two scenes in ME1 that quite clearly indicates that Earth is very relevant to the Alliance, for example, the reporter that Shepard can punch out frequently mentions Earth by name in the interview or refers to it by the phrase "people back home", and even outright asks Shepard if the Council has ever asked him/her to place their needs before the needs of Earth. She also refers to the Normandy as "Earth's" vessel. She finishes the interview with "The eyes of Earth are on you". For reference.
    

But at least you're starting to think now. So I'll tell you a secret: there is certain canon material that can pawn me quite seriously (not that I couldn't hold against, but still), yet for 50 pages not a single apologist of the trial on Earth mentioned it.

Maybe you would want to share with us?

Why whould I want to argue against myself? Like I said, that point does not contradict my PoV, but it would make me write a couple more of WoTs to defend it.

celuloid wrote...

Point of this discussion is to come to objective conclusion about what is feasible and what is not according to ME canon. But you are obviously here only to dismiss all ingame lore which contradicts your cause and that is having written ME specifically to accomodate your view on Arcturus station. Show me a single line of dialogue in ME1 or ME2 where NPC mentions Arcturus station. There are dozens of Earth references.

Of the top of my head: Joker says he grew up on the Arturus Station, watching the Alliance fleets being built there. Your point is dismissed.

celuloid wrote...

If Arcturus is retconned right now, it would not matter. Nobody saw it and nobody heard about it, effectively it does not exist in most perceptions of ME universe.

So you're advocating a retcon now. Why are you even here, on the "Storylines" forum? Go pew-pew some Blue Suns, quick!

celuloid wrote...

That is the only argument you need for having trial on Earth. I was generous and offered you reasons why anything else does not make sense. You have only one codex entry about a station containing Parliament and Military HQ. Where are the courts? Where is the evidence of court locations?

Where is the evidence judiciary institutions even exist in the Alliance?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[celuloid]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote] Zulu_DFA wrote...
    [quote]
    Arcian wrote...

    I remember two scenes in ME1 that quite clearly indicates that Earth is very relevant to the Alliance, for example, the reporter that Shepard can punch out frequently mentions Earth by name in the interview or refers to it by the phrase "people back home", and even outright asks Shepard if the Council has ever asked him/her to place their needs before the needs of Earth. She also refers to the Normandy as "Earth's" vessel. She finishes the interview with "The eyes of Earth are on you". For reference.
    [/quote]

But at least you're starting to think now. So I'll tell you a secret: there is certain canon material that can pawn me quite seriously (not that I couldn't hold against, but still), yet for 50 pages not a single apologist of the trial on Earth mentioned it.
[/quote]

Maybe you would want to share with us?
[/quote]
Why whould I want to argue against myself? Like I said, that point does not contradict my PoV, but it would make me write a couple more of WoTs to defend it.
[/quote]

Can you write in English, please? Point of View and Way off Topic? Is that what you meant?
If you wrote about some secret I assume it is relevant to this discussion. Now it is Off topic? Are you serious?

[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

Point of this discussion is to come to objective conclusion about what is feasible and what is not according to ME canon. But you are obviously here only to dismiss all ingame lore which contradicts your cause and that is having written ME specifically to accomodate your view on Arcturus station. Show me a single line of dialogue in ME1 or ME2 where NPC mentions Arcturus station. There are dozens of Earth references.[/quote]
Of the top of my head: Joker says he grew up on the Arturus Station, watching the Alliance fleets being built there. Your point is dismissed.
[/quote]

Finally, we get some quotation about Arcturus station from you. Congrats. Still feeble evidence to support your argument for trial on Arcturus.

[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

If Arcturus is retconned right now, it would not matter. Nobody saw it and nobody heard about it, effectively it does not exist in most perceptions of ME universe.
[/quote]
So you're advocating a retcon now. Why are you even here, on the "Storylines" forum? Go pew-pew some Blue Suns, quick!
[/quote]

My dear friend, I wanted to show you how other people can dismiss you just as easily.

[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

That is the only argument you need for having trial on Earth. I was generous and offered you reasons why anything else does not make sense. You have only one codex entry about a station containing Parliament and Military HQ. Where are the courts? Where is the evidence of court locations?
[/quote]
Where is the evidence judiciary institutions even exist in the Alliance?[/quote]
[/quote]

Still failing to present arguments to support your point of view, which is having trial on Arcturus.
Answers to your ridiculous question:
Who do you expect to judge Shepard?
Admiral Hackett?
President of the Alliance?
Dreadnought construction workers?

Modifié par celuloid, 15 avril 2011 - 04:37 .

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote] Zulu_DFA wrote...
    [quote]
    Arcian wrote...

    I remember two scenes in ME1 that quite clearly indicates that Earth is very relevant to the Alliance, for example, the reporter that Shepard can punch out frequently mentions Earth by name in the interview or refers to it by the phrase "people back home", and even outright asks Shepard if the Council has ever asked him/her to place their needs before the needs of Earth. She also refers to the Normandy as "Earth's" vessel. She finishes the interview with "The eyes of Earth are on you". For reference.
    [/quote]

But at least you're starting to think now. So I'll tell you a secret: there is certain canon material that can pawn me quite seriously (not that I couldn't hold against, but still), yet for 50 pages not a single apologist of the trial on Earth mentioned it.
[/quote]

Maybe you would want to share with us?
[/quote]
Why whould I want to argue against myself? Like I said, that point does not contradict my PoV, but it would make me write a couple more of WoTs to defend it.
[/quote]
Can you write in English, please? Point of View and Way off Topic? Is that what you meant?
If you wrote about some secret I assume it is relevant to this discussion. Now it is Off topic? Are you serious?
[/quote]
WoT = Wall of Text.


[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

Point of this discussion is to come to objective conclusion about what is feasible and what is not according to ME canon. But you are obviously here only to dismiss all ingame lore which contradicts your cause and that is having written ME specifically to accomodate your view on Arcturus station. Show me a single line of dialogue in ME1 or ME2 where NPC mentions Arcturus station. There are dozens of Earth references.[/quote]
Of the top of my head: Joker says he grew up on the Arturus Station, watching the Alliance fleets being built there. Your point is dismissed.
[/quote]
Finally, we get some quotation about Arcturus station from you. Congrats. Still feeble evidence to support your argument for trial on Arcturus.
[/quote]
The in-game Codex is just as valid (and often more) as a random NPC's sentence/opinion. It is a part of the game, part of the canon. If you fail to acquaint yourself with it, and argue against it without knowing what you're talking about, it's not my problem.


[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

If Arcturus is retconned right now, it would not matter. Nobody saw it and nobody heard about it, effectively it does not exist in most perceptions of ME universe.
[/quote]
So you're advocating a retcon now. Why are you even here, on the "Storylines" forum? Go pew-pew some Blue Suns, quick!
[/quote]
My dear friend, I wanted to show you how other people can dismiss you just as easily.
[/quote]
If you're OK with retcons, you aren't in position to dismiss anything about another person's take on something story/plot related. Retcons are writers' prerogative, even though they never admit to this mortal sin even if they fall for it.

In any case, you've stated your "Yay, retcons!" opinion already, and I can't see how you can contribute anything worthy to this (or any other tread) in this forum, except giving it a free bump.


[quote]celuloid wrote...
[quote]
[quote]celuloid wrote...

That is the only argument you need for having trial on Earth. I was generous and offered you reasons why anything else does not make sense. You have only one codex entry about a station containing Parliament and Military HQ. Where are the courts? Where is the evidence of court locations?
[/quote]
Where is the evidence judiciary institutions even exist in the Alliance?[/quote]
Still failing to present arguments to support your point of view, which is having trial on Arcturus.
Answers to your ridiculous question:
Who do you expect to judge Shepard?
Admiral Hackett?
President of the Alliance?
Dreadnought construction workers?
[/quote]
Who do you expect to judge him on Earth, where he might have never been to?

Granted, Earthborn Shepard ran with gangs there back in the day, so maybe the LAPD still has a couple of quetions to ask him, lol!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 05:13 .

[celuloid]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
   

Almostfaceman wrote...
       

Zulu_DFA wrote...
           

Almostfaceman wrote...
            Ah, here we go with the name-calling again.  One more time and I'm sending a pm to a mod - keep it civil.
           

            Got anything else to say, Face? In not, don't let the door hit you on your way out of MY thread.
       

        Last I checked this was Bioware's thread.
   

    You still here? OK, stay. You're entertaining, after all, so I don't mind a free bump.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
   

Arcian wrote...   
        I remember two scenes in ME1 that quite clearly indicates that Earth is very relevant to the Alliance, for example, the reporter that Shepard can punch out frequently mentions Earth by name in the interview or refers to it by the phrase "people back home", and even outright asks Shepard if the Council has ever asked him/her to place their needs before the needs of Earth. She also refers to the Normandy as "Earth's" vessel. She finishes the interview with "The eyes of Earth are on you". For reference.
   

    I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!!!
    Seriously, she is a journalist for an Earth-based agency, she's putting on a show for her audience. Illium News thing they are the hub of the universe, so what?
    But at least you're starting to think now. So I'll tell you a secret: there is certain canon material that can pawn me quite seriously (not that I couldn't hold against, but still), yet for 50 pages not a single apologist of the trial on Earth mentioned it.

Do not play troll and then pretend it was not you. We finally saw your reaction when people dismiss your opinion.
Here is the golden rule: Do not do unto others what you do not want others do unto you.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
If you're OK with retcons, you aren't in position to dismiss anything about another person's take on something story/plot related. Retcons are writers' prerogative, even though they never admit to this mortal sin even if they fall for it.

In any case, you've stated your "Yay, retcons!" opinion already, and I can't see how you can contribute anything worthy to this (or any other tread in this forum), except giving it a free bump.

We saw you sending people out of this thread already. It usually happens when you get owned. As it happens now. You did not address any of my trial analysis points since I called for rebuttal of my reasoning by ingame lore. So that we might come to conclusion about what is appropriate for ME3. But you just keep focusing on that I marked your favorite space station as irrelevant for game experience. It turns you from worthy debater into this.

Modifié par celuloid, 15 avril 2011 - 05:44 .

[xI extremist Ix]

Does this Zulu guy ever shut up?

[Zulu_DFA]

@celuloid

The one who got owned here is you. You pretty much owned yourself, when you said "Retcon? I don't care!" And since the value of an "I don't care" post to any thread is just what I said - a free bump, keep posting.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[javierabegazo]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

@celuloid

The one who got owned here is you. You pretty much owned yourself, when you said "Retcon? I don't care!" And since the value of an "I don't care" post to any thread is just what I said - a free bump, keep posting.

Zulu, I know that it's easy to get very protective of a thread that you've spent a lot of time on, but the aggressiveness has to come to an end. If you have a problem with another poster or feel they are "trolling". Please PM me or another Moderator, and we'll do our best to clean up the thread, but by quoting them and responding with such aggression will only drive more strict moderators to simply just Lock the thread and be done with it.

Play nice folks

[Zulu_DFA]

javierabegazo wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

@celuloid

The one who got owned here is you. You pretty much owned yourself, when you said "Retcon? I don't care!" And since the value of an "I don't care" post to any thread is just what I said - a free bump, keep posting.

Zulu, I know that it's easy to get very protective of a thread that you've spent a lot of time on, but the aggressiveness has to come to an end. If you have a problem with another poster or feel they are "trolling". Please PM me or another Moderator, and we'll do our best to clean up the thread, but by quoting them and responding with such aggression will only drive more strict moderators to simply just Lock the thread and be done with it.

Play nice folks

Thank you, but I don't think I have problems with people. I'm all for freedom of speech. If some people want to get a thread locked by introducing personal attacks and spam pictures, I can't blame them. All I can do is to try and reduce my share of violation of the site's rules, which I will.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 06:42 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Zulu, It's on Earth. Deal with it. You wanna nit-pick at such a small thing, go ahead, continue to try and ruin the game for yourself with more of your 'theories'. I shall love ME3 trial on Earth or not.

[Silmane]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Zulu, It's on Earth. Deal with it. You wanna nit-pick at such a small thing, go ahead, continue to try and ruin the game for yourself with more of your 'theories'. I shall love ME3 trial on Earth or not.

People who 'nit-pick at such a small thing' are some of the biggest fans of the franchise.  

[Welsh Inferno]

Silmane wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Zulu, It's on Earth. Deal with it. You wanna nit-pick at such a small thing, go ahead, continue to try and ruin the game for yourself with more of your 'theories'. I shall love ME3 trial on Earth or not.

People who 'nit-pick at such a small thing' are some of the biggest fans of the franchise.  

Like i said. If you wanna make the game worse for yourself go ahead. BioWare arn't gonna change anything this far into development. 

[Dave of Canada]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Zulu, It's on Earth. Deal with it. You wanna nit-pick at such a small thing, go ahead, continue to try and ruin the game for yourself with more of your 'theories'. I shall love ME3 trial on Earth or not.

"Deal with it"? Honestly? Somebody is discussing something and all you have to say to them is "deal with it"? Please, if you don't have anything productive to say instead of going "cry more", just don't post. We don't need your permission to post on any subject, no matter how much you like it, so we won't "deal with it".

[SalsaDMA]

Zulu, just wanted to point out that the writers have at one point admitted to a retcon. The battle of the citadel was initially including dreadnoughts, but then somebody counted the amount of large ships and compared it with the amount of ships the codex said they had available of that type and it was: "Wooops..."

So it was changed to no dreadnoughts in that battle, and the writers admitted there had been a miscommunication or something like that between them and the ones doing the graphics.