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[charmingcharlie]

The trial on Earth does make sense depending on what the actual aim of the trial is.  It is possible the trial on Earth would be similar to an extradition trial where an Earth court investigates whether there are any grounds to hand Shepard over to the Batarians for the crimes he/she is accused off.

Whilst we are on the subject of the trial, I really hope that Bioware makes use of our Shep's history.  If you chose to be a Shep from the Colony of Mindor that was attacked by Batarian slavers I would love if that was used as a potential "motive" for Shepard killing 300,000 Batarians.

Either way I can't wait to see this trial in action.  I have always liked the idea of having the entire Galactic community turn on Shepard only for them to eat truckloads of crow at the end

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 31 mars 2011 - 08:11 .

[Wereparrot]

Pwener2313 wrote...

"Attention all Batarians in this system"

batarian: "OMG, the whole cluster is going to blow up!"

I highly doubt that.

Well, it would've taken a bit longer than that to sink in; be reasonable. You don't think anyone may have heard that Shepherd was cut off, then they saw the proximity of the relay to the asteroid and connected the two?

Modifié par Wereparrot, 31 mars 2011 - 08:16 .

[shep82]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Maybe so, but I like to think that my Shepherds are all English, accent notwitstanding, and consequently remain loyal to England. I don't like the idea that Shepherd is a subject of the Council. I would like the option to bring this point up in the event of a trial.

No to sound rude, but whatever you like to believe about your Shepard is not really relevant. The lore of the game explains that Spectres are explicitly under the jurisdiction of the Council and no one else. Simply because you believe that someone does not have jurisdiction over you does not make it so. The fact of the matter is that Spectres are only supposed to answer to the Council and unless you played as a Renegade Shepard who put Udina into power, rejected your Spectre status, or BioWare intends to strip you of that status somehow; it is a plot hole.

No it isn't. The Batarians would/will demand someone be held accountable and Shep is first and foremost a human so the trial would be Earth based. As for the issue that caused this I doubt SHep would be convicted. He did what he had to do. Also did anyone playing as a paragon warn the colonies? I was renegade so I didn't but I'm curious if that makes a difference.

[OGWS]

Orkboy wrote...

What I don't understand is that this shouldn't be going to trial anyway.

Shepard was on a covert mission that only she and Hackett knew about.

Sure the Normandy picked Shepard up at the end, but the crew has no Idea what happened before that and the Batarians can't know exactly what happened because those that saw Shepard and might have worked it out are all dead.

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Technically Shepard and Hackett can write any reports on the matter to reflect Shepard as having nothing to do with it.

Yeah, seriously, how the hell does anyone know it was Shepard?

[Almostfaceman]

OGWS wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

What I don't understand is that this shouldn't be going to trial anyway.

Shepard was on a covert mission that only she and Hackett knew about.

Sure the Normandy picked Shepard up at the end, but the crew has no Idea what happened before that and the Batarians can't know exactly what happened because those that saw Shepard and might have worked it out are all dead.

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Technically Shepard and Hackett can write any reports on the matter to reflect Shepard as having nothing to do with it.

Yeah, seriously, how the hell does anyone know it was Shepard?

Aw, c'mon.  You know it's so easy for them to manufacture something.  The SR2 approached a batarian planet.  It didn't trigger any auto defenses, but maybe a defense satellite snapped a pic that just happened to catch the SR2 passing by... the pic gets sent to Hegemony HQ, and later some clerk runs across it when investigating what happened to their lost system.  I just made that up, it's perfectly plausible, I'm sure other reasons can be manufactured.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 31 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[Tamahome560]

If Shepard had his Spectre status restored:

Asari Councillor: The Alliance has requested that your Spectre status be suspended and a permission to trial you in light of the following charges.

Salarian Councillor: You have been charged with destroying a whole Batarian system containing over 300000 innocent colonists by destruction of a Mass Relay. I hope that you understand that this is an open act of war which can endanger not only Humans but the rest of Citadel Space.

Asari Councillor: What do you have to say in your defence Commander?

Shepard: The relay had to be destroyed, if it was not the Reapers would ha...

Turain Councillor: ''Ah yes, Reapers''.

Shepard: But...

Salarian Councillor: Settle down Commander.

- They all nod at each other

Asari Councillor: In light of the given evidence we conclude that you have worked against the best interest of the Council and the races who acknowledge it's authority by purposely committing an act of war on the Batarian people which may lead to a further conflict between them and the races of the Citadel Space hence we grant the Alliance and Earth Government permission to trial you in accordance with their terms and until the matter is resolved we suspend your Spectre status.

Councillor Anderson: Normally you would haven been taken to the Arcturus Station but this will get too big and too public. Also we want the Batarians to see that we are taking the matter seriously by taking you to the centre of humanity... the Earth.

[Dracotamer]

We all knew ME3 was gonna start out with us as a fugitive or on trail.

[Wereparrot]

Almostfaceman wrote...

OGWS wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

What I don't understand is that this shouldn't be going to trial anyway.

Shepard was on a covert mission that only she and Hackett knew about.

Sure the Normandy picked Shepard up at the end, but the crew has no Idea what happened before that and the Batarians can't know exactly what happened because those that saw Shepard and might have worked it out are all dead.

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Technically Shepard and Hackett can write any reports on the matter to reflect Shepard as having nothing to do with it.

Yeah, seriously, how the hell does anyone know it was Shepard?

Aw, c'mon.  You know it's so easy for them to manufacture something.  The SR2 approached a batarian planet.  It didn't trigger any auto defenses, but maybe a defense satellite snapped a pic that just happened to catch the SR2 passing by... the pic gets sent to Hegemony HQ, and later some clerk runs across it when investigating what happened to their lost system.  I just made that up, it's perfectly plausible, I'm sure other reasons can be manufactured.

Well yeah, there is potential evidence that could link Shepherd, but precious little that could convict him.

[Elite Midget]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I think the trial is to take place on Earth because it's an Alliance issue. That doctor and Hackett are both Alliance/Humans.

And exactly because it's an Alliance issue, it is to be resolved on the Arcturus Station, where the Alliance Parliament and the Navy HQ sit.

The only reason I can see for it to take place on Earth is BioWare's friggin' listenning to the fans, and retconning the lore for the sake of cooling and amping things up.

Crap, that's gonna be another good idea totally screwed over in execution!

You sound surprised, Zulu!

Sorry, I've been away for nearly a week and missed a lot of stuff that I think I shouldn't have.

[jamesp81]

aimlessgun wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
If Earth is destroyed, humanity is finished as a galactic power.  Done, over, dead, gone.  Bekenstein (the planet you visit in Kasumi's LM) is described as being one of humanity's most populous colonies.  It's population is 5.4 million or so.  You waste Earth, you kill about 98% of the human race.

That's a completely lametacular storyline.

I actually think that would be an amazing storyline. Sad, poignant, compelling. You're now part of a race that's had it's home planet destroyed, a race that is now on the brink of survival.

I guess I understand that it wouldn't be popular though. People always want the happy ending.

It would be completely unfulfilling.  This kind of storytelling is one reason I've historically detested most Blizzard games.

[jamesp81]

charmingcharlie wrote...

The trial on Earth does make sense depending on what the actual aim of the trial is.  It is possible the trial on Earth would be similar to an extradition trial where an Earth court investigates whether there are any grounds to hand Shepard over to the Batarians for the crimes he/she is accused off.

Whilst we are on the subject of the trial, I really hope that Bioware makes use of our Shep's history.  If you chose to be a Shep from the Colony of Mindor that was attacked by Batarian slavers I would love if that was used as a potential "motive" for Shepard killing 300,000 Batarians.

Either way I can't wait to see this trial in action.  I have always liked the idea of having the entire Galactic community turn on Shepard only for them to eat truckloads of crow at the end

If the Galactic community turns on my Shepard that completely, crow is not all they're going to be eating...

[DingoEffect]

Think about it. If Earth just sat back and didn't trial him at all then how is it going to look from everyone else's point of view? Like they don't care. But Earth does care. They don't need a war. I'm sure Earth isn't the only place he will be trialed at.

Modifié par DingoEffect, 31 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[knaus86]

if an american commits a crime in another country. they dont get shipped back to america for trial.
they get tried by the people they wronged.

im pretty sure the batarians and humans dont have some prisoner transfer deal going on.

there is no reason the trial would be on earth. it would either be somewhere independent like the citadel. or in batarian space

[ErebUs890]

I think the trial has to happen on earth because that's what BioWare wants to happen.

[Pwener2313]

What's the big ****ing deal? Why do people want to complain so much!? We wanted earth, BW gives it to us.... and now we complain more?

I ****ing hate this place sometimes.

[Nixter Shepard]

... because Mass Effect is fiction...

[DingoEffect]

Batarians however are not part of Council space. So would he be shipped to them?

[ErebUs890]

Pwener2313 wrote...

What's the big ****ing deal? Why do people want to complain so much!? We wanted earth, BW gives it to us.... and now we complain more?

I ****ing hate this place sometimes.

The gaming community (the ones that hang out on forums) are nothing but whiners. If we don't have something to complain about, we'll sure as hell find one. 

At least that's my take on it.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

in ME1 they frequently reference that "even though you're a spectre you're still an alliance soldier"

[DingoEffect]

Batarians: "A human killed 305k Batarians!"
Earth: "What do you want us to do about it?"

[Pwener2313]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

in ME1 they frequently reference that "even though you're a spectre you're still an alliance soldier"

Your not Alliance in ME2. Your more Cerberus then Alliance by that matter.

[Aelia]

Wereparrot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

OGWS wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

What I don't understand is that this shouldn't be going to trial anyway.

Shepard was on a covert mission that only she and Hackett knew about.

Sure the Normandy picked Shepard up at the end, but the crew has no Idea what happened before that and the Batarians can't know exactly what happened because those that saw Shepard and might have worked it out are all dead.

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Technically Shepard and Hackett can write any reports on the matter to reflect Shepard as having nothing to do with it.

Yeah, seriously, how the hell does anyone know it was Shepard?

Aw, c'mon.  You know it's so easy for them to manufacture something.  The SR2 approached a batarian planet.  It didn't trigger any auto defenses, but maybe a defense satellite snapped a pic that just happened to catch the SR2 passing by... the pic gets sent to Hegemony HQ, and later some clerk runs across it when investigating what happened to their lost system.  I just made that up, it's perfectly plausible, I'm sure other reasons can be manufactured.

Well yeah, there is potential evidence that could link Shepherd, but precious little that could convict him.

Again, you are not considering who and what was on the shuttle that escaped.  Bioware can use that as a vehicle to manufacture whatever direct evidence they want.  The people on the station KNEW Shepard was there and had been there for days.  They could have actual security footage of her/him activating the "project"... someone else has already mentioned the possibility of tampering with her/his attempt to warn the Baterians... it would be relatively easy for BW to generate all the evidence needed to convict her/him if that's their intention

[jma2286]

Did you ever think that the more public the trial is, the more it appeases the Batarians. The brass on Arcturus can simply move to a UN-like building on Earth to proceed. Not a big deal. Besides, it's much more significant in the grand scheme of things to actually see Earth instead of the one look we got looking out the window at the very beginning of ME1.

[Guanxii]

I'm not convinced yet that ME3 will open with a court-room drama. However, even if we agree that there was to be a trial any number of things could happen between now and then including the Reaper invasion, another collector-like surprise attack on the Normandy, etc. who knows.

In my opinion though... if Shepard was to be tried on Earth it wouldn't be a military trial (Arcturus) it would be a civilian trial which is a whole different kettle of fish... it would mean that either Alliance have already ruled that Shepard is no longer part of the Military since being declared killed in action... or a court-marshall hearing would first need to be held on Arcturus Station before he could be transferred over to the civilian branch of government (on Earth).

In such an event I believe Zulu is right in that the Council would first have to relinquish their authority over him by revoking Shepard's spectre status if they haven't already to remove his diplomatic immunity before any of this is really possible. The legality of all this is quite interesting. 

The real question is who would be Shepard's attorney... the deadliest lawyer in the galaxy, perhaps?

Modifié par Guanxii, 31 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Fishy]

Wereparrot wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think you're making too much of things, Zulu.

Where a trial takes place is absolutely irrelevant. Not every act of say, treason against your country must be tried in its capital. Earth is the economic centre of the Alliance and contributes most of the Alliance's military resources, so a trial on Earth is perfectly within the realm of the reasonable. Even more so a trial conducted mostly for its symbolic value.

Shepherd's 'treason' was not against Earth but against the Council, and I'm not sure if they have any right to accuse him of such an offence.

He still represent humanity has the first human specter and was trained by the alliance before becoming one.
His first ship was also given to him by  the aliance/Turian and has still strong bond with Hackett and the aliance.

Shepard worked for Cerberus and killed 300,000 Civilian .. Sure they were batarian .. What if they were American?
I though it's was completly out of character because my Shepard would never have done something like this.

If he don't go to a trial .. That will provoke a war with the batarian .At some point you also need to take responsability for you act.