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[GreenDragon37]

InHarmsWay wrote...

I'm thinking that Shepard's trial will be like this.

That was intense. I want this.

[Nashiktal]

InHarmsWay wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

I haven't read the entire thread, and am pretty new to Mass Effect after only recently finishing Mass Effect 2 and Arrival, but only just now playing Mass Effect. I only knew a bit about the first Mass Effect prior to playing Mass Effect 2. It's to my understanding that Shepard's spectre status was revoked after Shepard's death? (In question to the first few responses to this thread.)

Shepard's Spectre status was indeed revoked after death, but it can be reinstated in ME2 if:

-if all-human Council or new alien Councilors, but Anderson is the human Councilor
-original Council was saved, and either Anderson or Udina can be human reprsentative


For the first, if Udina is Councilor, you will not have your Spectre status reinstated.

Except you don't actually get specter status. The council practically tells you the specter status is worthless. Their words are pretty much "we will ignore the fact you are working with human extremists if you only do your **** in the termi systems."

So the areas where specter status would actually be worth something "read, in citadel space" you don't actually have specter status there. 

[redbaron76]

Some facts from the mass effect 3 trailer, Commander shepard is on Arcturus station when reapers atack earth. Second Citadel Council will not try one of its prominent spectre members for death of 305000 non citadel member in defense of galaxy. Thrid Alliance has to try him to denaunce its association with the project that blew up relay. Fourth Batarian Hegemony does not want to reveal that it had a posesion of a mass relay that can send its fleets into citadel space. Fifth Alliance does not want war with batarians on the eve of reaper invasion of galaxy.

[Leonia]

redbaron76 wrote...

Some facts from the mass effect 3 trailer, Commander shepard is on Arcturus station when reapers atack earth. Second Citadel Council will not try one of its prominent spectre members for death of 305000 non citadel member in defense of galaxy. Thrid Alliance has to try him to denaunce its association with the project that blew up relay. Fourth Batarian Hegemony does not want to reveal that it had a posesion of a mass relay that can send its fleets into citadel space. Fifth Alliance does not want war with batarians on the eve of reaper invasion of galaxy.

Arcturus station isn't in the Sol system. In the trailer, Shepard is overlooking the invasion on Earth.. which means he isn't on Arcturus station.

I don't think the batarians are "in possession" of a relay to Citadel space, all relays eventually connect to Citadel space but I don't think they claim ownership of the alpha relay. Remember, they used to be part of Council space so their worlds are still going ot be connected to other council worlds via relay.

Not every Shepard is a Spectre in ME2 and the Council has already stopped supporting Shepard regardless of Spectre status, why start protecting Shepard now?

The Alliance probably doesn't want anyone to know about the Project at all, why would they admit to its existance in Shepard's trial? All the evidence that would have supported such claims was destroyed anyway so there's no point in bringing it up really. It will just make the Alliance look bad.

Nobody wants war on the eve of a Reaper invasion, not even the Hegemony. Shepard has to "take the fall" to keep the fleets intact and ready to go for the invasion.

[Thompson family]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The seat of the Alliance government is surely on the Arcturus Station, because the Codex explicitely says so. (etc.)

I stand corrected on that one point.

[Zulu_DFA]

Thompson family wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The seat of the Alliance government is surely on the Arcturus Station, because the Codex explicitely says so. (etc.)

I stand corrected on that one point.

In case you haven't noticed, this is the entire point of this thread.

I'm not against the trial itself, and I was one of those who predicted it almost a year ago, but it think that setting the trial on Earth is a perfect way to ruin the whole idea.

It is indeed better to not have the trial at all than to make it into a plothole.

[davidshooter]

The trial itself doesn't bother me as much as the fact that we can't still be ignoring the Reaper threat can we? To put Shep on trial means you don't believe why the relay had to be destroyed in the first place and why there was no choice but to destroy the system.

In my Game:

Anderson the councillor believes the threat is real
Hackett an Alliance Admiral believes the threat is real
Kenson a doctor and deep cover operative of the Alliance not only believes the threat is real but is imminent.
Cerberus believes the threat is real
My entire crew knows the threat is real
Ashley an alliance (classified now) soldier knows it's real
Tali a respected member of the Migrant fleet knows it's real
Wrex the leader of Tuchanka knows it's real
Liara the Shadowbroker and daughter of Benezia knows it's real (and so did the previous SB it seems)

I mean how long are we going to milk the denial angle?

Modifié par davidshooter, 01 avril 2011 - 04:11 .

[Leonia]

davidshooter wrote...

I mean how long are we going to milk the denial angle?

Until the Reapers are right on top of us. For the dramas.

[Thompson family]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The seat of the Alliance government is surely on the Arcturus Station, because the Codex explicitely says so. (etc.)

I stand corrected on that one point.

In case you haven't noticed, this is the entire point of this thread.

I'm not against the trial itself, and I was one of those who predicted it almost a year ago, but it think that setting the trial on Earth is a perfect way to ruin the whole idea.

It is indeed better to not have the trial at all than to make it into a plothole.

Interesting. No, intriguing, actually.

Could be a plothole -- or a foreshadowing worth mulling over.

Is the Hackett-Shepard talk on YouTube. I'm off to check.

[NYG1991]

If the intent is to basically railroad shep with a bogus show trial, then having it on earth would make sense. I could see the trial just being a way for people to catch up on what happened in the previous two games then ship him off jail.

Hackett said there was just enough evidence for a witch hunt and if the earth gov wants to punish shep to avoid a war with the batarians then having a show trial on earth would be an adequate venue.

[davidshooter]

If ME3 begins with the powers that be still not buying that the Reaper threat is real and putting Shep on trial for the destruction of the Alpha relay than this story has crossed over into the realm of the cliche where sexy girls in their skimpy nightgowns wander into the creepy forest in the dead of night to figure out what that growling sound was because the horror director can't be bothered to figure out a believeable way to get her there to die.

[Zulu_DFA]

NYG1991 wrote...

If the intent is to basically railroad shep with a bogus show trial, then having it on earth would make sense. I could see the trial just being a way for people to catch up on what happened in the previous two games then ship him off jail.

Hackett said there was just enough evidence for a witch hunt and if the earth gov wants to punish shep to avoid a war with the batarians then having a show trial on earth would be an adequate venue.

Aaaaaand once more:

Earth is: US, Europe, China, India, Africa, Australia-Pacific and whatnot.

The Systems Alliance is: Eden Prime, Terra Nova, Shanxi, Elysium, Bekenstein, etc. And the ARCTURUS STATION.

Shepard is an Alliance marine. Not a US marine, not a British para, not ANZAC. Shepard has no business on Earth.

[langelog]

The plot thickens if you ask me. Shepard will be locked up on Earth and when the Reapers come and everyone is all Oh ****! Shepard will be unleashed on the Reapers like an attack dog!

[piemanz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

If the intent is to basically railroad shep with a bogus show trial, then having it on earth would make sense. I could see the trial just being a way for people to catch up on what happened in the previous two games then ship him off jail.

Hackett said there was just enough evidence for a witch hunt and if the earth gov wants to punish shep to avoid a war with the batarians then having a show trial on earth would be an adequate venue.

Aaaaaand once more:

Earth is: US, Europe, China, India, Africa, Australia-Pacific and whatnot.

The Systems Alliance is: Eden Prime, Terra Nova, Shanxi, Elysium, Bekenstein, etc. And the ARCTURUS STATION.

Shepard is an Alliance marine. Not a US marine, not a British para, not ANZAC. Shepard has no business on Earth.

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.A show trial on earth makes perfect sense to appease the batarians to avert a war and also theres the fact earth is the human HOMEWORLD.

wether shep is a spectre or not is besides the point first and foremost he/she is a human.

Modifié par piemanz, 01 avril 2011 - 04:35 .

[Zulu_DFA]

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Lukertin]

The Systems Alliance includes Earth dude: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Earth

Modifié par Lukertin, 01 avril 2011 - 04:37 .

[Zulu_DFA]

langelog wrote...

The plot thickens if you ask me. Shepard will be locked up on Earth and when the Reapers come and everyone is all Oh ****! Shepard will be unleashed on the Reapers like an attack dog!

YEAH, SURE...

[Leonia]

http://masseffect.wi...rcturus_Station

Arcturus Station is a human space station located in the system of the same name. It is the capital of the Systems Alliance, home to both its parliament and the headquarters of the Alliance Navy, built before contact with the Citadel. It is where David Anderson is first introduced into the story, Mass Effect: Revelation, after graduating from the N7 program at the Academy there.

Modifié par leonia42, 01 avril 2011 - 04:40 .

[langelog]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

I'm thinking that Shepard's trial will be like this.

That was intense. I want this.

Great movie, sadly the Corp. really does do terrible things like this all the time. Trust me I lived it.

[piemanz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

[NYG1991]

Earth is described as the capital of humanity in the codex. I couldn't find anything stating Arcturus is the base of operations for the alliance. I just thought it was their largest space station/fleet hub.

[Leonia]

And the Arcturus Station codex entry:

Arcturus Station is the gateway to Sol, a 5-kilometer diameter "Stanford Torus"-type space station at the trailing Lagrange point of the gas giant Themis. Construction on Arcturus Station began in 2151 and concluded in 2162. It was inaugurated in 2156, and has served as the military and political headquarters of the Systems Alliance from the First Contact War until the present.

When humanity activated the Charon Mass Relay in 2149, it led to Arcturus, 36 light years from Sol, Earth's sun. Arcturus is the third brightest star seen from Earth. It is an ancient red giant from the generation born before Sol. Its worlds are either gas giants or ice chunks. While some rocky debris exists, the metal content is 25% lower than normal. To build Arcturus Station, metallic asteroids were towed through the mass relays to the construction site. Many of these asteroids remain near the station, their mined out areas home to transient populations.

The expense of bringing construct materials into the system was acceptable due to its strategic value. With three primary mass relays in addition to the secondary one to Sol, Arcturus is a major communications and military chokepoint. The Alliance 1st Fleet is based in Arcturus, where it can guard the gates to Sol and react to incursions in the three connected clusters. The Station also hosts the Systems Alliance Parliament and the Systems Alliance Military general headquarters. Its permanent population is approximately 45,000.

Arcturus is actually from the galactic halo, one of a cluster of 52 stars that are "crashing through" the disc of the galaxy. In a billion years, Arcturus will be sailing through the depths of extragalactic dark space.

Humanity is ran by the System Alliance, which is based on Arcturus Station.

[JamieCOTC]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Systems Alliance is: Earth, Eden Prime, Terra Nova, Shanxi, Elysium, Bekenstein, etc. And the ARCTURUS STATION.

The word for today is, "retcon." 


- for the record, I hate retcons too, but it will probably happen.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 01 avril 2011 - 04:47 .

[Almostfaceman]

NYG1991 wrote...

Earth is described as the capital of humanity in the codex. I couldn't find anything stating Arcturus is the base of operations for the alliance. I just thought it was their largest space station/fleet hub.

Yup.  From the codex:

The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land.

[InHarmsWay]

langelog wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

I'm thinking that Shepard's trial will be like this.

That was intense. I want this.

Great movie, sadly the Corp. really does do terrible things like this all the time. Trust me I lived it.

Switch a few words here and there during his speech and it would sound exactly like what Shepard could say.

"I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom!"

Also on another note. The idea that making Shepard a scapegoat tom prevent a Batarian war, is really ridiculous. The Batarians will accept his conviction but still raze planets left and right as retribution. They've been waiting for a reason to go to war and even if the Alliance did convict Shepard, the Batarians will not stop.