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[Leonia]

So why is their parliament on Arcturus station then, hmm?

[Jonathan Shepard]

DarkSeraphym wrote...
That or it is on Earth because they intend to have either the trial or the actual imprisonment interrupted when the Reapers show up. God I hope not as it would end up being a missed opportunity, but I'm willing to bet $10 that is why they have it taking place on Earth.

This. Still, perhaps the Alliance is being reprimanded for Shepards action's by Earth's political leaders, so the trial will be on Earth (due to the Political Leaders holding it personally for the species represntative nearly causing a war) with the attendance of those from Arcturus... 
but Big Ben said that Shepard "needed to get [there] soon." 
Still, might be a marketing device and not accurate. 

[piemanz]

Almostfaceman wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Earth is described as the capital of humanity in the codex. I couldn't find anything stating Arcturus is the base of operations for the alliance. I just thought it was their largest space station/fleet hub.

Yup.  From the codex:

The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land.

I'm not knocking you faceman but it ****ing amazes me that you have to quote codex to explain that earth is the capital of humanity.....jesus.

[GreenDragon37]

Almostfaceman wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Earth is described as the capital of humanity in the codex. I couldn't find anything stating Arcturus is the base of operations for the alliance. I just thought it was their largest space station/fleet hub.

Yup.  From the codex:

The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land.

Yep, there it is. It's the capital of Humanity.

[Almostfaceman]

piemanz wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Earth is described as the capital of humanity in the codex. I couldn't find anything stating Arcturus is the base of operations for the alliance. I just thought it was their largest space station/fleet hub.

Yup.  From the codex:

The homeworld and capital of humanity is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient use of land.

I'm not knocking you faceman but it ****ing amazes me that you have to quote codex to explain that earth is the capital of humanity.....jesus.

I know, right?

[Leonia]

Look, "capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

[piemanz]

leonia42 wrote...

Look, "capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

We're talking about a trial of probably the most influential human in the galaxy, damn right it's going to be held on earth.

[GreenDragon37]

leonia42 wrote...

Look, "capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

I still don't get why having the trial on Earth is a problem. Just seems like rantings and ravings about something that isn't that big of a deal.

[Almostfaceman]

leonia42 wrote...

Look, "capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

Blah blah blah, it doesn't agree with me blah blah blah.  

Look trying to tell us that Earth isn't important enough to try Shepard on and tell us it can only be Arcturus Station is ridiculous.  It's obvious from the codex that Earth is important enough to have a trial for Shepard.

[Leonia]

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Look,
"capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs
Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like
how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

Blah blah blah, it doesn't agree with me blah blah blah.  

Look
trying to tell us that Earth isn't important enough to try Shepard on
and tell us it can only be Arcturus Station is ridiculous.  It's obvious
from the codex that Earth is important enough to have a trial for
Shepard.

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

You guys are completely ignoring that the System Alliance's headquarters are on Arcturus, the trial will be done by the SA. Hackett even mentioned that Shepard should wear his "blues" (military uniform) to further that point.

Modifié par leonia42, 01 avril 2011 - 04:59 .

[Zulu_DFA]

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

Yes, and Palaven is the Turian homeworld. So what? When a certain Turian spectre went rogue, he was tried in absentia on the Citadel, and considered to be a Humanity's problem.

So, by that, Shepard should be tried on the Citadel and the verdict should be: Go, Batarians, catch 'em!

In other words, homeworld or not, Earth is irrelevant.

[Almostfaceman]

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

[GreenDragon37]

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

To me, a space station isn't special. It's a piece of metal floating in space. Earth is Humanity's homeworld, a symbol for all of Humanity. We've been on a lot of stations, yet we haven't been to Earth in the ME Universe.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 05:02 .

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

Yes, and Palaven is the Turian homeworld. So what? When a certain Turian spectre went rogue, he was tried in absentia on the Citadel, and considered to be a Humanity's problem.

So, by that, Shepard should be tried on the Citadel and the verdict should be: Go, Batarians, catch 'em!

In other words, homeworld or not, Earth is irrelevant.

There would have been no problem at all with him being tried on Palaven.  None.  Nada.  Ziltch.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

We live on it, we see it everyday. A non-destroyed Earth is nowhere as interesting as Arcturus or the Citadel.

[Almostfaceman]

leonia42 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Look,
"capital of humanity" is symbolism. The actual government that runs
Earth and the rest of the human colonies is the System Alliance. I like
how the codex entries I quoted have been completely ignored.

Blah blah blah, it doesn't agree with me blah blah blah.  

Look
trying to tell us that Earth isn't important enough to try Shepard on
and tell us it can only be Arcturus Station is ridiculous.  It's obvious
from the codex that Earth is important enough to have a trial for
Shepard.

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

You guys are completely ignoring that the System Alliance's headquarters are on Arcturus, the trial will be done by the SA. Hackett even mentioned that Shepard should wear his "blues" (military uniform) to further that point.

I'm not ignoring Arcturus.  You're ignoring Earth.  The trial can be held easily in either location.  That's the point.

[Leonia]

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

*checks thesaurus*

Yeah, not seeing it buddy. It can be a symbol without being super-important, depends who it is a symbol to and how much it represents to them.

[Almostfaceman]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

We live on it, we see it everyday. A non-destroyed Earth is nowhere as interesting as Arcturus or the Citadel.

It's a futuristic Earth - it ain't what we see every day.  It's just as interesting - if not more interesting - than a space station.

[piemanz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

Yes, and Palaven is the Turian homeworld. So what? When a certain Turian spectre went rogue, he was tried in absentia on the Citadel, and considered to be a Humanity's problem.

So, by that, Shepard should be tried on the Citadel and the verdict should be: Go, Batarians, catch 'em!

In other words, homeworld or not, Earth is irrelevant.

But it's not the council holding the trial is it?.It's the alliance.Sure shep has Spectre status and is techniacly above the alliances reach but there is no way shep will say no to a trial if he's called up.Paragon shep would willingly give himself up and renegade shep probably won't even be a spectre anyway!.

[GreenDragon37]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

We live on it, we see it everyday. A non-destroyed Earth is nowhere as interesting as Arcturus or the Citadel.

The Citadel was seen already in 2 games. Arcturus is just a space station. We haven't even been to Earth. You probably go to both locations in game. I just don't see why everyone is in such an uproar over the trial being on Earth.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 05:04 .

[Leonia]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

Yes, and Palaven is the Turian homeworld. So what? When a certain Turian spectre went rogue, he was tried in absentia on the Citadel, and considered to be a Humanity's problem.

So, by that, Shepard should be tried on the Citadel and the verdict should be: Go, Batarians, catch 'em!

In other words, homeworld or not, Earth is irrelevant.

There would have been no problem at all with him being tried on Palaven.  None.  Nada.  Ziltch.

He was a Spectre, his actions HAD to be tried by the Council because he was no longer a member of the turian Hierarchy, just as Shepard ceased to be an active member of the System Alliance when he became a Spectre. It would have made ZERO sense for him to be tried on Palaven for something that had NOTHING to do with the turians. If he was acting on behalf of the the Hieararchy, sure he could have been held accountable there.. after the Council had there go.

[Zulu_DFA]

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please?

NO. Not every PS3 owner will have a chance in life to visit the City of London, so here BioWare comes through!

[facepalm.]

leonia42 wrote...

Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

They are not the same though. In fact, the "Earth is special" cheapens the "Humans are special" trope.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 avril 2011 - 05:07 .

[NYG1991]

Capital of humanity is probably more of a symbolic title as I never saw the arcturus entry till it was posted here. I still don't consider having the trial on earth as completely implausible. Really any location under alliance control could be a venue for a military style tribunal.

IMO having the trial on earth wouldn't be a crazy plothole. Personally I'm hoping we get to see earth and arturus in ME3 in our travels.

[Almostfaceman]

leonia42 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Never said Earth wasn't important. I live here, I've seen it. Can we see something new please? Arcturus station makes plenty of sense. Humans aren't special, Earth isn't special. Those tropes are old.

Earth isn't special?  You just said it's the "symbolic" captial of humanity.  That's not special?  How exactly is that not special.  I've got to hear this one.

*checks thesaurus*

Yeah, not seeing it buddy. It can be a symbol without being super-important, depends who it is a symbol to and how much it represents to them.

Yeah, yeah, keep trying to sell that one.  If I'm interested in the Asari - I want to see the Asari homeworld. It's important.  It's the symbolic capital of their race.  Just like if I'm an Asari, I'd want to see Earth.  It's the captial of humanity.  It's where we're from.  You can't down-play that importance, sorry.

[GreenDragon37]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

piemanz wrote...

No, the system alliance represents earth and all human colonies.

Source?

In any case, EARTH does NOT represent the SYSTEMS ALLIANCE.

No but the sytems alliance is a human alliance and Earth IS the human homeworld.

Yes, and Palaven is the Turian homeworld. So what? When a certain Turian spectre went rogue, he was tried in absentia on the Citadel, and considered to be a Humanity's problem.

So, by that, Shepard should be tried on the Citadel and the verdict should be: Go, Batarians, catch 'em!

In other words, homeworld or not, Earth is irrelevant.

The Council ran the Saren trial, not the Hierarchy. It made since to hold it at the Citadel. He was a Council Spectre, and he answered to the Council. The Council isn't trying Shep, Humanity is.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 05:08 .