I hope it is a bit more than the fact that he is the main character. He/she is the only person who has been around 2 reapers (and went inside 1 of then) and even had a reaper artifact send a vision into his/her head.
If any other being (apart from squad mates) is near a reaper for as long as shep has, they would be fully indoctrinated.
So, why do you think shep doesnt get indoctrinated? I think it may have something to do with the prothian beacon that gave him/her the original vision in ME1. It might have had something in it to prevent indoctrination.
Why doesnt Shep get indoctrinated?
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:05
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He has never been exposed to indoctrination long enough, couple that with "Heroic willpower" and that is why Shepard havent gone crazy.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:06
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Doubt it has anything to do with the Prothean beacon, remember Saren used those and it certainly didn't stop him from being indoctrinated. I'm not really sure.. I'm hoping that we won't be seeing Shepard experiencing "belated indoctrination" in ME3. But this question has been nagging at me since finishing Arrival.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:09
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Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:
Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"
They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.
Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"
They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:11
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I'm wondering if it has to do with his exposure to the Thorian.
Shiala was cured of her indoctrination and it seems they were TRYING to indoctrinate Shepard with little success and the Thorian is the only connection between them. I suppose there's the Cipher as well but the Protheans were indoctrinated so that doesn't seem to be the key.
Shiala was cured of her indoctrination and it seems they were TRYING to indoctrinate Shepard with little success and the Thorian is the only connection between them. I suppose there's the Cipher as well but the Protheans were indoctrinated so that doesn't seem to be the key.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:11
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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:
Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"
They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.
This is very possible. Indoctrination would make studying his body very challenging.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:13
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We don't know why Shepard has been able to resist indoctrination, but that is what makes him special.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:13
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3 things come to mind.
1- Plot Armor. Shepard can't be indoctrinated.
2- Shepard already is indoctrinated but doesn't know it yet. I can totally see BioWare pulling a Frodo on Shepard. Shep's on the brink of victory....and can't do it. And then your LI puts a cap in Shep's head. Sad...sad ending.
3- Shepard's unique and no longer vulnerable to indoctrination. Which is why Harby wants Shep's body so much.
So, there you go. Three meh reasons off the top of my head.
1- Plot Armor. Shepard can't be indoctrinated.
2- Shepard already is indoctrinated but doesn't know it yet. I can totally see BioWare pulling a Frodo on Shepard. Shep's on the brink of victory....and can't do it. And then your LI puts a cap in Shep's head. Sad...sad ending.
3- Shepard's unique and no longer vulnerable to indoctrination. Which is why Harby wants Shep's body so much.
So, there you go. Three meh reasons off the top of my head.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:18
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InvaderErl wrote...
I'm wondering if it has to do with his exposure to the Thorian.
Shiala was cured of her indoctrination and it seems they were TRYING to indoctrinate Shepard with little success and the Thorian is the only connection between them. I suppose there's the Cipher as well but the Protheans were indoctrinated so that doesn't seem to be the key.
Good point, had totally forgotten about the Thorian. Plus there are hints that Shiala will help Shepard in the future given their conversation on Illium.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:27
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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:
Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"
They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.
"if possible..." they did blow Shepard up and let him get an icicle in space so I would take such words with a grain of salt. Either that or Harbinger is an idiot.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:30
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lol true, maybe he changed his mind?
Beginning of game: "Kill Shepard... for Sovereign!"
Later in the game: "Crap he's still alive!? I wanna study I wanna studyyy!"
Beginning of game: "Kill Shepard... for Sovereign!"
Later in the game: "Crap he's still alive!? I wanna study I wanna studyyy!"
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:31
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Because no one... no one will ever be better than Commander Shepard.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 10:54
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Maybe he/she will be in ME3, slowly. Only to pull a Saren in the end, sacrificing himself/herself for the greater cause. I can see it now, might be able to resist just enough for whatever reaperrelated and then dying. The End....
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:55
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You have to be exposed to a Reaper indoctrination for a certain amount of time for it to work. I doubt Shepard has spent enough time around ONE particular device to be indoctrinated at all. That an the previously mentioned strong will and awesomeness.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:58
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None of the squaddies have been indoctrinated either.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:00
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My name is Legion wrote...
You have to be exposed to a Reaper indoctrination for a certain amount of time for it to work. I doubt Shepard has spent enough time around ONE particular device to be indoctrinated at all. That an the previously mentioned strong will and awesomeness.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:04
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Indoctrination takes days or weeks to happen. Shep in these places for what one maybe two hours before things start to blow up. The Reapers can't pin Shep down long enuff for the brainwashing.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:05
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well it takes place over time. shepards generally not staying in spots where he can get indoctrinated easily. plus i assume if you're aware of it then its alot harder to indoctrinate people.
plus shepard is shepard.
plus shepard is shepard.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:24
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Shepard was only in three places he could have been indoctrinated.
The derelict reaper, that one N7 mission in the mine, and by Object Rho.
In the Reaper he and the squad were in and out in under an hour. Same with the mine. At Rho he was only there for 2 days, and most of which he was unconsious.
It takes days to be indoctrinated. Longer if your aware of it. Benezia and her people took weeks on a healthy living Reaper to be indoctrinated.
I don't think Shepard would ever become indoctrinated. He knows better. And if he suddenly started having thoughts about how the Reaper's weren't so bad, he'd notice it and get far away from whatever he was at.
The derelict reaper, that one N7 mission in the mine, and by Object Rho.
In the Reaper he and the squad were in and out in under an hour. Same with the mine. At Rho he was only there for 2 days, and most of which he was unconsious.
It takes days to be indoctrinated. Longer if your aware of it. Benezia and her people took weeks on a healthy living Reaper to be indoctrinated.
I don't think Shepard would ever become indoctrinated. He knows better. And if he suddenly started having thoughts about how the Reaper's weren't so bad, he'd notice it and get far away from whatever he was at.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:44
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Cerberus implants. Shepard resisted heavy poison in bartender quest and also resisted drugs that were meant to keep him/her under in Arrival. Implants probably boost the resistance to indoctrination as well, Illusive Man probably made sure that Reapers could not screw with his pet project.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:51
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Anyone giving some Shepard-specific explanation must explain why no squadmates have been indoctrinated either.
I think Shepard and her crew have not been in continuous contact with a reaper, which is something indoctrination requires.
I think Shepard and her crew have not been in continuous contact with a reaper, which is something indoctrination requires.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:53
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Brawne wrote...
Cerberus implants. Shepard resisted heavy poison in bartender quest and also resisted drugs that were meant to keep him/her under in Arrival. Implants probably boost the resistance to indoctrination as well, Illusive Man probably made sure that Reapers could not screw with his pet project.
And Retribution, the third novel, indicates that Cerberus knows VERY little about indoctrination (the whole point of the novel was them trying to study the process and losing control of their test subject). There isn't any anti-indoctrination technology yet, which will certainly make things interesting when the Reapers invade and try to indoctrinate everyone on Earth.
Shepard's plot-armour seems to be a weak excuse and if someone is unconcious they should be even more susceptible to brainwashing. Maybe the Reapers didn't try to indoctrinate him but that begs the question: why not? They could have studied Shepard a lot better if he was under their direct control. I know, it was only two days but it just seems odd that nothing happened.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 01:08
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Short of it being explained by Shepard's various encounters in the first game I could see it just being a mixture of luck and strong will. That and I'm not convinced having someone sedated wouldn't reduce the effect, we don't know much about indoctrination afterall other than it effects the part of the mind that controls fear and awe.
I'm quite partial to the idea that the Thorian had some lasting effect though (plus anything that gives me more Shiala in the future is a good thing). I'm hoping it isn't just a 'Shepard is a super Human!' hand wave.
I'm quite partial to the idea that the Thorian had some lasting effect though (plus anything that gives me more Shiala in the future is a good thing). I'm hoping it isn't just a 'Shepard is a super Human!' hand wave.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 01:13
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I have a feeling that in ME3 at some point in the story Harbinger will try to Assume Direct Control over Shepard.
Reaper tech is what helped bring him back to life something tells me that it won't be too difficult for the Reaper Puppet master to try and take over Shepards mind when he's close enough. That would make for an interesting bit of gameplay where we're foced to fight our team.
Reaper tech is what helped bring him back to life something tells me that it won't be too difficult for the Reaper Puppet master to try and take over Shepards mind when he's close enough. That would make for an interesting bit of gameplay where we're foced to fight our team.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 01:13
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leonia42 wrote...
Shepard's plot-armour seems to be a weak excuse and if someone is unconcious they should be even more susceptible to brainwashing. Maybe the Reapers didn't try to indoctrinate him but that begs the question: why not? They could have studied Shepard a lot better if he was under their direct control. I know, it was only two days but it just seems odd that nothing happened.
No, it doesn't seem odd, because it was only two days. Every mention of indoctrination says it takes weeks for the process to work. Not two days.
