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[dreman9999]

Fuzzion wrote...

Mangalores wrote...


"if possible..." they did blow Shepard up and let him get an icicle in space so I would take such words with a grain of salt. Either that or Harbinger is an idiot.

Well there might be many reason.
1. The reapers might have been 100% sure that he was dead after the normandy was destroyed and when they saw that he was alive again they got really curious, how often do people get back to life.

2. He also say if possible, I guess they  go with "better safe then sorry" when they blew the ship up when they had the oppertunity. But when they meet him in person it would be much easier.
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And on the not getting indoctrinated thing it might be several things
1. The longest he have been exposed to reapers are for 2 days and he was unconcious (it can both help the reapers or block them off) So it might not be enough time and shepard is strong willed and can fight back (just like he in retribution) His team have only been exposed for hours and it's not enough if I guess right.

2. As someone else said it might be implants, TIM said that they didnt know how to stop indoctrination but it might be after they have been transformed but he might have known how to block out the reapers thoughts and have implanted something in shepards body.

3. Might be the thorian

4.The reapers might want him fully functional to make tests... (and might even be so that they want to test him because he resists them and they want to see what's the problem and make their indoctrination better)

.......The reapers, through the collecters, hired the shodow broker to get Sheperd dead body back. No one remembers the comic or that it is part of the reson Shep when after the SB.

[dreman9999]

Almostfaceman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:

Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"

They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.

They want to Indoctrinate him. I just was not set in stone. I think that what ever indoctrination he /she has will take effect in ME3.

Nope.  According to everything we know about indoctrination it takes weeks, not 2 days, for the process to work.  Shepard was not exposed long enough to the reaper device to be indoctrinated.

That what I mean. It can be started but it takes time to set in. I feel that he /she was partly. And it may start to take effect in ME3. I mean once your exposed to the effects, what stops it from continuing?

[AquamanOS]

It needs to be reinforced to continue. Fully indoctrinated victims are little more than zombies in capable of acting without Reaper command (which is why Saren thought he'd be spared). And since there's no zombie outbreak on the worlds Soverign was at in ME1 it seems to suggest simply being briefly exposed to the indoctrination signal isn't enough to do it.

Good example is Ashley. She was at Eden Prime when Soveriegn showed up, and was exposed to the signal. But as of two years later she's not a zombie.

[AquamanOS]

Double post due to connection loss during posting. Sorry.

Modifié par AquamanOS, 31 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

that's a good question OP but Benezia said you need to stay on a reaper for up to a week or less maybe as little as 48 hours for more weak minded people. She said a week like it was the max perhaps it took her a week to understand she was being indoctrinated and not long after became completely. Shep hasn't spent the time like the Cerberus researches, Benezia, or Saren has on one of those things so I can see where there isn't much brain washing going on.

Yet the constant exposure as proven by the Salarain task force can add up to indoctrination. I believe on Virmire they where exposing the STG members to reapers slowly we saw they came out little more then zombies but no one told us how long it takes for such results to come around Saren fled and was in no mood to talk, and the research girl was too panicked to tell us more.

Shep has also been exposed on countless occasions to the pikes that turn people mad and then they want to make husks those things have to be doing something to shep too there was that one point in the derelict reaper if you go up to the spikes shep says, " Ok everybody take a step back from the spikes." it could be taken as a joke but the way mshep says it sense he's voice here is rather flat I could say he might actually mean it as if its doing something to them.

I would like to have hacked/possessed shep now that he/she has reaper parts used in them I really can't see us going all of ME3 and not have that occur for a duration it could also give us unique insight into the reapers so we can see what they truly want w/o Harbingers smack talk.

[Raith Mano]

It may just have to deal with the fact that Shepard has never been around a reaper long enough to let it take hold. If you look at other groups who've dealt with being indoctrinated, they were all studying reapers or reaper artifacts for long periods of time. The two main groups I'm referring to of course are the Cerberus research team on the dead reaper, and the Alliance team in Arrival. They had both been studying their respective things for a longer period of time then Shepard had ever been near a reaper to be indoctrinated.

Hell, the Alliance team turned a giant asteroid into a huge bullet before they got indoctrinated.

[Raith Mano]

Destroy Raiden wrote...



I would like to have hacked/possessed shep now that he/she has reaper parts used in them

When did Shep get reaper parts installed in him?

[jamesp81]

1. Indoctrination is a slow process. It takes a lot of time. Shepard has never had long term exposure to Reapers. Even Rana Thanoptis, who did have some long term exposure, was still more or less herself.

2. Liara comments several times in ME1 about Shepard's willpower. I think she (or maybe it was someone else) also comments on how he would be inherently resistant to mental intrusions.

[jamesp81]

Foolsfolly wrote...

3 things come to mind.

1- Plot Armor. Shepard can't be indoctrinated.
2- Shepard already is indoctrinated but doesn't know it yet. I can totally see BioWare pulling a Frodo on Shepard. Shep's on the brink of victory....and can't do it. And then your LI puts a cap in Shep's head. Sad...sad ending.
3- Shepard's unique and no longer vulnerable to indoctrination. Which is why Harby wants Shep's body so much.

So, there you go. Three meh reasons off the top of my head.

#2 is epic fail, IMO.

[jamesp81]

Raith Mano wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...



I would like to have hacked/possessed shep now that he/she has reaper parts used in them

When did Shep get reaper parts installed in him?

He didn't.

[CroGamer002]

It take days or even weeks for indoctrination to work.

Considering Shepard has strong mind( Prothein Vision) I think it would take few weeks.

Modifié par Mesina2, 31 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Habelo]

Its not impossible to resist the indoctrination, saren and that other dude shot emself. So i guess if that you are aware of indoctrination it should become easier to resist.

[aimlessgun]

Not enough time. Shep is strong willed anyways.

Shep being somehow unique and speshul and unable to be indoctrinated would betray one of the main reasons he's awesome. As Miranda says, Shep is amazing because he doesn't have superpowers or anything like that. He's just human. A really badass, awesome, human.

[Pwener2313]

It's likely due to Shepard having a high willpower. Indoctrination is based in slowly driving the organic insane with sounds, vibrations and noises hidden from the naked ear. Once the organic's defenses are down, projections in the form of visions, halucinations and dreams are sent to the mind to draw the organic closer and closer to insanity. Once the individual is completaly insane, the Reaper(s) clean the sleight and give false, or erroneous memories to shape the individual for wathever reason, Sleeper agent, foot soldier or just a liability to someone. I think willpower has to do with it, no other reason why Shepard was able to convince Saren to commit suicide.

[Habelo]

If you ever been on a psychologicall drug you will understand just what "willpower" is btw. It aint some rpg stat solely

[Mister Mida]

As it has been said by others, indoctrination takes time.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Shepard was never around a Reaper long enough to get indoctrinated.

He was near Sovereign on Eden Prime and during the Battle of the Citadel, but never so close that he was practically on top of the ship. And both were very short periods of time.

He's only been inside of one Reaper and that was the Derelict one. It was functioning only at a minimal level, and Shepard wasn't inside it long enough to get indoctrinated. The Cerberus techs weren't indoctrinated immediately either. It was a slow process that probably occurred over a few weeks or maybe even months.

As for the artififact beacons, they were Prothean tech. The Reapers had nothing to do with them.

[Gocad]

Indoctrination takes time, which is also hinted at in the audio logs you find at the Project base.

[Pwener2313]

Habelo wrote...

If you ever been on a psychologicall drug you will understand just what "willpower" is btw. It aint some rpg stat solely

I ain't talking about game stats. Im talking about the real deal. For all we know, there are exceptional individuals (Shepard) who can overcome Indoctrination and have a resistance to it. We are never told what it is exactly, so we speculate.

[88mphSlayer]

i think you have to spend weeks around reaper tech for it start indoctrinating you... everybody that gets indoctrinated so far have been scientists actively studying this stuff

you would think they would just treat it like radiation at some point, everybody has their annual limit of reaper exposure before they can no longer be near any reaper device

still... perhaps Cerberus knew what they were doing when they augmented Shepard's body?

[Habelo]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Habelo wrote...

If you ever been on a psychologicall drug you will understand just what "willpower" is btw. It aint some rpg stat solely

I ain't talking about game stats. Im talking about the real deal. For all we know, there are exceptional individuals (Shepard) who can overcome Indoctrination and have a resistance to it. We are never told what it is exactly, so we speculate.

Ofcourse some people are more receptble to go insane? While others have some rationall safegaurds that they have "invented" in their head.

[Pwener2313]

88mphSlayer wrote...

still... perhaps Cerberus knew what they were doing when they augmented Shepard's body?

Chack my sig; yeah, they knew what they were doing.

[Airell]

I believe the protheans did some thing to shapards family tree.

[Winterfly]

If he wasn't indoctrinate from laying around one of those things for 2 days he will never be.

Shepard indoctrinates you, you don't indoctrinate him or her.