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[Pwener2313]

Habelo wrote...

Ofcourse some people are more receptble to go insane? While others have some rationall safegaurds that they have "invented" in their head.

We can use these to stop indoctrination.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Gocad wrote...

Indoctrination takes time, which is also hinted at in the audio logs you find at the Project base.

Shep is also told that it is a gradual process on Virmire, though I can't recall now if it is the Asari scientist on Virmire, the Salarian STG prisoner, or both that tells Shep that. But one or both of them tell Shep that if the process of indocrtrination is rushed the subject experiences rapid mental deterioration, to the point where the indoctrinated is nothing more than a mindless husk, and not useful to the Reapers.

The mindless Salarian prisoners in the cell on Virmire who are not even aware of Shepard when he opens their cell, are an example of rapid indoctrination. Saren was experimenting with the process and they were the end result of rapid indoctrination.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 31 mars 2011 - 06:33 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

For the same reason Shepard can return from the death and disintegration: the plot demands it.

Seriously though, it would be nice to get a plausible in-universe reason.

[Pwener2313]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

For the same reason Shepard can return from the death and disintegration: the plot demands it.

Seriously though, it would be nice to get a plausible in-universe reason.

If you want info on the Lazarus Project, read Mass Effect: Resurgence, uploaded minutes ago.

[Destroydacre]

I think there's been enough speculation why Shep doesn't get indoctrinated around the reapers. As for not getting indoctrinated at Project Base, I think could be several reasons Bioware could come up with. Just speculation on my part, but when you look at the size of the facility and all the engines that were installed by bringing in salvage from Omega, it's apparent that Kenson and co. spent months in the proximity of object Rho. I would venture a guess that Rho's indoctrination "signal" is weaker than that of a reaper thus it takes more time to become indoctrinated around that. So Shepard spending 2 days in project base would be more equivalent to spending say an hour or two on a reaper. Like I said no facts, but it's something that I would find believable.

[lltoon]

I'm quite curious that some form of indoctrination works while some don't.

It's known that even small fragments of Reaper tech can indoctrinate it's victims, in the case of MSV Cornucopia, which happened almost immediately within bringing an artifact aboard... Yet the Turians successfully recovered bits of Sovereign and reverse engineered the Thanix cannon. Cerberus even reverse engineered and modified bits of Soverigns AI into EDI.

Surely the months it takes to study reaper tech would have resulted in someone getting indoctrinated at the Citadel?

Modifié par lltoon, 31 mars 2011 - 06:53 .

[Pwener2313]

Sovereign was blown to hell. Likely, damaged Reaper tech does not indoctrinate, or a reaper indoctrinates willingly, and since Sovereign died (as in blown to millions of pieces), indoctrination was thrown out the window.

[Tazzmission]

Kamagawa wrote...

I hope it is a bit more than the fact that he is the main character. He/she is the only person who has been around 2 reapers (and went inside 1 of then) and even had a reaper artifact send a vision into his/her head.

If any other being (apart from squad mates) is near a reaper for as long as shep has, they would be fully indoctrinated.

So, why do you think shep doesnt get indoctrinated? I think it may have something to do with the prothian beacon that gave him/her the original vision in ME1. It might have had something in it to prevent indoctrination.

reapers fear shepard im guessing because he did kill soverighn wich no other species has done.

[lltoon]

What about the derilect reaper?
I think we were told that the AI was dead in that one, but they mentioned that "dead gods dream". The phrase was so cryptic I'm not sure to take that as evidence that the reaper was somehow still alive though. I tend to consider it the ramblings of a madman very much like Dr. Kenson.

[Pwener2313]

Tazzmission wrote...

reapers fear shepard im guessing because he did kill soverighn wich no other species has done.

Reapers fear Shepard? *laughs*

If the Reaper feared Shepard, they would have killed him in Arrival. The Reapers see Shepard like we see an ant. It's in Arrival where Harbinger tells Shepard that he has finally becomed an "annoyance". Not a threat, not a problem, an "annoyance".

Ants have killed people, does not mean we fear or hate them.

[Zimary]

Liara: I can shed some light on why the collectors wanted you however.
Liara: Few humans have been through what you have, the collectors wanted to study you for genetic abnormalities.
Liara: Surprisingly, killing Saren didn't matter to them, they were intrigued by your exposure to the Prothean beacon and your exposure to the Thorian on Feros.

Something like that. Plus, in ME1, Liara says something along the lines of "The things you've been through would have broken a lesser man" after she does the 'Embrace Eternity' thing.

[Pwener2313]

lltoon wrote...

What about the derilect reaper?
I think we were told that the AI was dead in that one, but they mentioned that "dead gods dream". The phrase was so cryptic I'm not sure to take that as evidence that the reaper was somehow still alive though. I tend to consider it the ramblings of a madman very much like Dr. Kenson.

I say the Reaper was unresponsive, like in a coma, but still "alive" if you want to use that term. the core was functioning and indoctrination presnt, so I think it was still "alive" to some degree.

[Tazzmission]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

reapers fear shepard im guessing because he did kill soverighn wich no other species has done.

Reapers fear Shepard? *laughs*

If the Reaper feared Shepard, they would have killed him in Arrival. The Reapers see Shepard like we see an ant. It's in Arrival where Harbinger tells Shepard that he has finally becomed an "annoyance". Not a threat, not a problem, an "annoyance".

Ants have killed people, does not mean we fear or hate them.

but the truth is no ne 50,000 years ago did what shepard did though... also the reapers could target the people shepard is close to like liara ashley or even garuss. theres many ways to destroy someone by not killing that particular person

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Reginthorn]

Remember, The Illusive Man did bring him back. He has extras built in him.

[Pwener2313]

The reapers only want to study Shepard, nothing more. They have never said "kill Shepard so we can rid of him". The Collector ship at the start of the game was meant to only destroy the Normandy crew because they were the ones that knew what was going on the most, not to kill Shepard alone.

[Tazzmission]

Pwener2313 wrote...

The reapers only want to study Shepard, nothing more. They have never said "kill Shepard so we can rid of him". The Collector ship at the start of the game was meant to only destroy the Normandy crew because they were the ones that knew what was going on the most, not to kill Shepard alone.

i know but im just saying imagine the emotinal loss shepard would feel if liara or ashley died from harbinger in me3. that part alone could determine the ending for him as a charachter. would he retire from the alliance or  kill himself do to the heart break he is suffering?

[Pwener2313]

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.

[Habelo]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.

Untill it actually happends you

[Pwener2313]

Habelo wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.

Untill it actually happends you

I cry, then I move on. My mind works like a Salarian's. I work through stress and problems in a fly.

[Tazzmission]

Habelo wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.

Untill it actually happends you

exactlly. shepard basicly doesnt care for batarians but im willing to bet if liara was killed or ash was killed it tear him up

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 07:26 .

[InHarmsWay]

Zimary wrote...

Liara: I can shed some light on why the collectors wanted you however.
Liara: Few humans have been through what you have, the collectors wanted to study you for genetic abnormalities.
Liara: Surprisingly, killing Saren didn't matter to them, they were intrigued by your exposure to the Prothean beacon and your exposure to the Thorian on Feros.

Something like that. Plus, in ME1, Liara says something along the lines of "The things you've been through would have broken a lesser man" after she does the 'Embrace Eternity' thing.

I'm thinking this too. Shepard may just be a special individual. Hell, maybe they'll have a subplot where he contains the cure for indocrination.

[CodeMyster]

i think that the reapers simply want to save him for last. make him watch as they destory everything around him, simply because he's been a pain in the a** to them. they stated numerous times to shepard that their destruction is inevitable. the reapers are fairly confident they will succeed and think that nothing will stop them. Their arrogance will be their downfall.

[Rekkampum]

Because he's a cyborg clone thingy of doom.

[Pwener2313]

Rekkampum wrote...

Because he's a cyborg clone thingy of doom.

He is, read Mass Effect: Resurgence.

[Habelo]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.

Untill it actually happends you

I cry, then I move on. My mind works like a Salarian's. I work through stress and problems in a fly.

Well... you are a man? that is how it is supposed to be for all males