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Why doesnt Shep get indoctrinated?


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#101
Pwener2313

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Habelo wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Emotional loss? Shepard killed 300,000 people (are Batarians people?) without blinking. I Liara or Kaidan died in ME3, I wouldn't even shudder. Im that kind of person anyway, loss is abstract to me.


Untill it actually happends you ;)


I cry, then I move on. My mind works like a Salarian's. I work through stress and problems in a fly.


Well... you are a man? that is how it is supposed to be for all males ;)


Tell that to AdmiralCheez, she'll set you straight. Im mentally more feminine then most men, I believe in love and my favorite color is Hot Pink and all that. Your calling stereotypes.

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Habelo

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Are you saying that males isnt less sentimental then females? aint that like... a fact? :P

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Who says Shepard isn't slowly getting indoctrinated over the course of the series? I mean, Saren didn't notice it until it was too late; if pulled off just right, the Reapers subtly pulling a Fontaine on Shepard would be a great twist.

#104
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Pwener2313 wrote...

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Because he's a cyborg clone thingy of doom.


He is, read Mass Effect: Resurgence.


You sound like Zulu now with his conspiracy theories about Vigil.

That's metagaming, so it doesn't count.

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Habelo wrote...

Are you saying that males isnt less sentimental then females? aint that like... a fact? :P


No, it isn't; depends on the cultural norms. Getting a little off-topic.

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Mr. Gogeta34

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Almostfaceman wrote...

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Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:

Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"

They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.

They want to Indoctrinate him. I just was not set in stone. I think that what ever indoctrination he /she has will take effect in ME3.


Nope.  According to everything we know about indoctrination it takes weeks, not 2 days, for the process to work.  Shepard was not exposed long enough to the reaper device to be indoctrinated.


Actually it can happen much faster but it would overpower (completely) and eventually kill the host (ala Grayson and Reaper Saren).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 31 mars 2011 - 08:02 .


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Plot armor, “strong willed”, hasn’t been expose to reaper tech for extend periods of time (dosn't it take weeks depending on the person? and fast indoctrintion makes people mindless and useless as slaves like the salarians on Virmire) or perhaps Shepard is actually getting indoctrinated subtly like Saren was.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 31 mars 2011 - 08:22 .


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My geuss is it's a combination of being touched by the beacon and having his brain rewired with the Prothean cipher.

Either that or he is just super strong willed(as with most protagonist in video games).

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Pwener2313

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Rekkampum wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Because he's a cyborg clone thingy of doom.


He is, read Mass Effect: Resurgence.


You sound like Zulu now with his conspiracy theories about Vigil.

That's metagaming, so it doesn't count.


Zulu has conspiracy theories about Zulu? Huh......

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DarkSeraphym wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:

Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"

They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.


This is very possible. Indoctrination would make studying his body very challenging.

Agreed. That could be it or just simply Shep has never been exposed long enough.

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Shepard obviously got the anti-indoctrination vaccine from the local clinic.

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Devbo22 wrote...

Shepard obviously got the anti-indoctrination vaccine from the local clinic.


He had one of these inserted into his cranium.

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Anyone consider maybe the Protheans found a way to protect against Indoctrination towards the end?

Maybe they did and hid the power in the beacons. Shepard has already come into contact with two (if you did the ME2 sidequest.) Perhaps with the help of the Cipher, Shepard has subconsciously learned to block indoctrination.

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Maybe Reapers are planning to create new generation of Collectors and they need Shep as new Collector General, so they don´t want to make Shephusk.

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1. Shepard has spent relatively little time in contact with Reaper technology. A few hours, most of that on the derelict Reaper.

2. Shepard, more than anyone else, is aware of the threat the Reapers pose and the dangers of indoctrination. Shepard might be able to recognize the process as it happens, and resist it. At minimum, it should take longer to indoctrinate Shepard than another person.

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BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

Anyone consider maybe the Protheans found a way to protect against Indoctrination towards the end?

Maybe they did and hid the power in the beacons. Shepard has already come into contact with two (if you did the ME2 sidequest.) Perhaps with the help of the Cipher, Shepard has subconsciously learned to block indoctrination.


That can't be the case, Saren was exposed to the beacons too, He was indoctrinated towards the end.

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I think whenever the reapers try to indoctrinate Shep, he concentrates on something simple and familiar, which he repeats over and over again, thereby blocking his thoughts away from the reapers attempts at control.

...And I think I know what he always repeats in his mind:
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
"Shepard."
"Wrex."
....

Modifié par MrFob, 01 avril 2011 - 03:53 .


#118
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dreman9999 wrote...
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.......The reapers, through the collecters, hired the shodow broker to get Sheperd dead body back. No one remembers the comic or that it is part of the reson Shep when after the SB.


The question is really why are they interested in Shepard aka his body after they blew up his ship which seems to me a pretty damn great way to ensure you'll have no body to be interested in. Either you want to still kill him after you killed in and someone put him back together again or you shouldn't have fired a gigawatt laser (or whatever)  at him the first chance you get!

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Could argue that since they want Shepard unaltered:

Harbinger: "Preserve Shepard's body if possible"

They probably are intentionally not indoctrinating him and want to study him when this is all over.


That's my view, but not completely.

During the "wave" fights at Object Rho, Harbinger's voice clearly says "Your mind will be ours," or something like that. So I do think they'd like to indoctrinate Shep. What they don't want is the short, intensive kind of indoctrination that turns people into nervous maniacs. The powerful form that leaves them capable, like the form used on Saren and Benezia, takes time.

Even Kenson had the willpower to resist indoctrination long enough to build a facility on an asteriod and rig up the engines. If she'd been fully indoctrinated long enough, she would have dismantled, sabotaged or otherwise incapacitied "The Project" just to be safe. It would have been as simple as corrupting the VI guidence so the asteriod would miss the Alpha Relay, for instance.

Shep's exposure simply hasn't been long and sustained enough. He/she spent two days at Object Rho. He/she spent, at most, hours on the dead Reaper and was never inside Sovereign.

As for the Prothean Beacon theory, it did provide Shep with a vivid vision of what the Reapers really were. Remember that Saren saw the beacon's warning only after he was fully indoctrinated. Seeing what the Reapers really are before indoctrination begins to take hold can't make indoctrination any easier.

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Shep's part synthetic remember and Synthetics can't be indoctrinated.

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Because he is a freak of nature.

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Because our lovely cyborg-zombie Shepard is as a post-human bad ass immune to:
-Poison (only one to survive afterlife Batarian's poison)
-Sedatives (Not working in arrival)
-Indoctrination (Reapers? lol that might work in Saren but not our Shep)
s/he can also ko Turians in one hit.
Seriously, Shepard has been exposed very few to Reaper artifacts AND has a superhuman willpower.

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I've only read the first page of comments so far, but isn't it made clear that some people are immune to indoctrination (likely, a genetic mutation)?

EDIT: In fact, isn't it implied in The Arrival dlc itself? The guard who talks about how he isn't hearing the 'whispers', and doesn't know what the others are on about?

Modifié par kaotician, 01 avril 2011 - 05:16 .


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Because shep blows up any reaper tech within a couple days tops? All other examples of indoctrination show it taking weeks or more to take hold. Example reaper iff, or even 'the project'. They had time enough to install those huge rockets.

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NaruxNarusegawa wrote...

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

Anyone consider maybe the Protheans found a way to protect against Indoctrination towards the end?

Maybe they did and hid the power in the beacons. Shepard has already come into contact with two (if you did the ME2 sidequest.) Perhaps with the help of the Cipher, Shepard has subconsciously learned to block indoctrination.


That can't be the case, Saren was exposed to the beacons too, He was indoctrinated towards the end.

I thought he was indoctrinated by Sovereign pre-beacon? Didn't he find Sovereign before Eden Prime?