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[Dr.Goodspeed]

I think everyone knows what I'm talking about.  A game community has certain demands, such as a) a playable game patch ETAs and announcements and c) content tables for upcoming patches.

BioWare as good developer should fulfill at least some of those demands. If you mess up and release a game that's bugged to the point of being unplayable that's not good, but it happens. Everyone can undestand that. There's a lot of pressure from the publisher, some things can easily escape notice, etc. **** happens.

When you mess up though, we as a community expect the developer to do the best they can to justify the 50 bucks we spent for their game. This includes not only giving your best when it comes to fixing the game. First and foremost you should keep your community, us, informed on the progress, tell us where you're having troubles, why XY will be delayed. Give us ETAs, give us content tables.

So what if some 12 year olds go crazy because something had to be cut from the planned content of a patch? So what if some ignorant people are angry because you can't make it till the announced release date of the patch by a few days?

You as developer should have the greatness to ignore the stupidity of such people and instead fulfill your duty to satisfy the community as a whole. Instead you use the ignorance of some people who don't know how a business works as an excuse to deny us any useful information.

Why are you doing this?

Announce a date and post a table of contents. There will always be those who are not satisfied with you work, but please do take my word for it, even if you are not able to make the announced release date, even if some fixes cannot be included yet for one reason or the other, you will satisfy a whole lot more of your customers by doing this than you are right now by doing nothing. And shouldn't that be your goal as a company? To satisfy your customers?


So long,
Goodspeed

[JediMB]

We're supposedly getting a patch-related announcement tomorrow.

[Dr.Goodspeed]

JediMB wrote...

We're supposedly getting a patch-related announcement tomorrow.

You know what date it is tomorrow, right?

[JediMB]

Yes, but the information is going to be legit, while possibly accompanied by a joke of some sort.

[RVonE]

JediMB wrote...

Yes, but the information is going to be legit, while possibly accompanied by a joke of some sort.

Yes, but it still won't be the patch itself. That's still kinda ridiculous.

[JediMB]

Oh, agreed, but I'm still glad that we're finally getting some information.

[TheRaggyGandalf]

Yea it is.. I stopped at the beginning of act 2 3 Weeks ago because quest bugs started. Haven't played since.

[Avissel]

So..you want them to announce a date for the patch and what it will fix. But you think nobody should care if they meet that date or all the listed fixes even get implemented.


So is there anything to back up this claim of patch info tomorrow?

Modifié par Avissel, 31 mars 2011 - 01:50 .

[Lord Plubuss]

I'm getting no bugs, no crashes and no problems, must be my finely trimmed beard

[Cantisque]

I haven't started playing the game yet because of the NVidia problems. What little I did play though didn't crash or become unstable so, fingers crossed I'll be up and running soon.
It shouldn't have been released like this in any case. I also understand that Bioware left Origins crippled with a large number of serious bugs with no intention to sort them out.

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Avissel wrote...

So..you want them to announce a date for the patch and what it will fix. But you think nobody should care if they meet that date or all the listed fixes even get implemented.


So is there anything to back up this claim of patch info tomorrow?

No, that is obviously not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that BioWare should make announcements and publish dates to the best of their abilities and knowledge. If somehow not all of the announced changes can make it into the final version of the patch, or if the patch is delayed, they should explain why and give us a corrected table of contents and/or a new date for the patch accordingly.

Judging from your post, you're exactly the kind of ignorant people I'm talking about.

[LilyasAvalon]

Been getting quest related bugs and various gameplay bugs since mid-Act 1.

This is just pathetic. I understand it's common for most games to have quite a few bugs that don't get smoothed out until usually the second patch, but this is just RIDICULOUS.

I've never encountered a game before where it was bugged and glitched to the point it was unable to be completed successfully.

The only bugs I ever remember encountering in DA:O and Mass Effect were small ones, exp and gold related ones that had no major futrure bug related effects in the game.

I payed twice as much for DA2 then I did for DA:O/Mass Effect, it's twice as bugged and glitched as DA:O AND Mass Effect combined[ and it's only half as good as one of them.

No offence Bioware, but what happened?

[TheImmortalBeaver]

If I remember correctly, the glitches at the launch of DA: O were horrific and made the game almost unplayable at times (even worse than the issues in DA2, which don't affect everyone). This doesn't mean that this state of "polish" is acceptable, but Bioware as a company is not getting worse... and is still far better than the majority of the game industry that releases completely broken games with startling regularity. Which saddens me.

Cheers,
Misterpinky

[boenk]

ask westwood..

electronic arts happened for them too :>


honestly, i understand that there is _a lot_ of money involved in game development nowadays and there are bills that need to be paid, but even the morons at ea should know that selling a beta version for 50 bucks is bull**** (crysis 2 anyone? )
so why not just delay the release for one or two months and finish it completely instead of releasing it with a huge amount of probably known issues..
gearbox does that (i mean the latest delay for the duke), so bioware should be able to do that too..

[Luke Barrett]

I'm going to push as hard as I can to get as much information as I am legally allowed to divulge tomorrow. I apologize that it's April 1st; it didn't occur to me until yesterday

Oh, and we're (-7 UMT) here in Edmonton SO I don't want to see the typical 'OMG LIES' posts when it's saturday at midnight in your respective timezone.

[Sylvan05]

Thanks for the information, Luke! We really appreciate you trying to ferret out this information.

I know you probably won't be able to promise a release date. But I'm wondering if there's any idea what issues the new patch will tackle?

[Avissel]

Now I'm just curious as to what kind of patch information would be illegal.

"Amount of Black Tar Heroin used in DA2 coding reduced to 78%"

[Mongoose22]

boenk wrote...

ask westwood..

electronic arts happened for them too :>


honestly, i understand that there is _a lot_ of money involved in game development nowadays and there are bills that need to be paid, but even the morons at ea should know that selling a beta version for 50 bucks is bull**** (crysis 2 anyone? )
so why not just delay the release for one or two months and finish it completely instead of releasing it with a huge amount of probably known issues..
gearbox does that (i mean the latest delay for the duke), so bioware should be able to do that too..

Yes, let's use the game where we've been hearing updates for 14 years as an example of good practice.

Modifié par Mongoose22, 31 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[Necrochain]

Misterpinky0 wrote...

If I remember correctly, the glitches at the launch of DA: O were horrific and made the game almost unplayable at times (even worse than the issues in DA2, which don't affect everyone). This doesn't mean that this state of "polish" is acceptable, but Bioware as a company is not getting worse... and is still far better than the majority of the game industry that releases completely broken games with startling regularity. Which saddens me.

Cheers,
Misterpinky

My game (DA:O) is STILL unplayable, as I'm on Windows 7 64-bit, and the damn game keeps crashing. DA2 on the other hand I have had no issues with at all. I havent even been able to play DA:A due to the crashing

[CCISolitude]

I've just tried going through the forums, but with so many threads and so many pages its just making my eyes hurt. I've played through the game fine, remarkably stable for me
(GTX 580, i5 760, 8GB DDR3, win7 x64) my DLC's I got through pre-order on steam all unlocked fine.

However, the high res pack? no joy's, at all. Due to it being steam, the high res installer is failing to find whatever registry key its after.

Bioware, please pull yourselves together and pass whatever you need to along to the folks at steam so we can update via them? Or release a steam compatible installer?

Much obliged.

Modifié par CCISolitude, 31 mars 2011 - 04:34 .

[DPB]

CCISolitude wrote...

However, the high res pack? no joy's, at all. Due to it being steam, the high res installer is failing to find whatever registry key its after.

I'm not using the Steam version myself, but you should be able to manually extract the .exe using 7-Zip or another file extraction program. Then move the two files "highrescharacterartfp.erf" and "highreslevelartfp.erf" into "steam\\steamapps\\common\\dragon age 2\\packages\\core\\textures\\high."

[Luke Barrett]

Avissel wrote...

Now I'm just curious as to what kind of patch information would be illegal.

"Amount of Black Tar Heroin used in DA2 coding reduced to 78%"

For example, one of the patch notes might be the following:

"Fixed an issue with loading screen backmasks and various other subliminal messaging devices manipulating players in to making extremely angry threads on the BioWare general forums about sexuality in DA2"

I obviously can't let you guys know anything about that.

Modifié par Luke Barrett, 31 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[Avissel]

Luke Barrett wrote...
For example, one of the patch notes might be the following:

"Fixed an issue with loading screen backmasks and various other subliminal messaging devices manipulating players in to making extremely angry threads on the BioWare general forums about sexuality in DA2"

I obviously can't let you guys know anything about that.

Or taking out that message that you get if you play the Menu Theme backwards that encourages you to demand the fireing of random Bioware Employees?

[mesmerizedish]

Luke Barrett wrote...

For example, one of the patch notes might be the following:

"Fixed an issue with loading screen backmasks and various other subliminal messaging devices manipulating players in to making extremely angry threads on the BioWare general forums about sexuality in DA2"

I obviously can't let you guys know anything about that.

I thought for sure that that was the lyrium in the water.

[RVonE]

Lord Plubuss wrote...

I'm getting no bugs, no crashes and no problems, must be my finely trimmed beard

That you're not encountering them doesn't mean they're not in your game. There are, for example, several quest related bugs that can be reproduced on all systems.