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[Dean_the_Young]

On one hand, it was for the greater good.

On the other hand, that's about 300,000 innocents who died due to you, and Samara's code has demonstrated a... less than accomidating view towards 'necessary evils' in the past.


Thoughts?

[Tasker]

Everything you say is true, but i'm just going to copy and paste what I wrote in another thread as I think it has relevance here too...



Shepard was on a covert mission that only she and Hackett knew about.

Sure the Normandy picked Shepard up at the end, but the crew has no Idea what happened before that and the Batarians can't know exactly what happened because those that saw Shepard and might have worked it out are all dead.

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Technically Shepard and Hackett can write any reports on the matter to reflect Shepard as having nothing to do with it.




So, unless Shepard goes blabbing about it, she could easily say that it wasn't her that blew up the system and that there was nothing she could have done to stop it even if she wanted to.

Modifié par Orkboy, 31 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[Dominus]

There was a rather lengthy discussion about it a couple days ago, which you can find here. Maybe it'll answer some questions for you. 

[AmyBA]

Thats a toughy. I think its something even Samara herself may struggle with. You have saved trillions by doing it, at least for a few more months, but you did kill many innocent people. Yet you could also say they were dead in 2 days ANYWAY, the Reapers would have surely stopped over at that colony and destroyed whatever was there before hopping through the relay....

Yea, it is really hard to say how Samara might react, lol. She may have a nervous breakdown.

[Zulu_DFA]

Batarians? Innocent? Mwahahahaha!!!!!!

[Dean_the_Young]

DominusVita wrote...

There was a rather lengthy discussion about it a couple days ago, which you can find here. Maybe it'll answer some questions for you. 

You know, I'm not sure 17 hours counts as 'a couple of days.' But thanks for the link all the same.

[Zkyire]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

On one hand, it was for the greater good.

On the other hand, that's about 300,000 innocents who died due to you, and Samara's code has demonstrated a... less than accomidating view towards 'necessary evils' in the past.


Thoughts?

Didn't Samara also say that she'd kill anyone if the code demands? (when referring to that Asari officer, who was not a murderer, was not evil, was only doing her job by trying to arrest Samara, and yet Samara flat out said that she'd kill her without hesitation if she tried).

The code isn't really the moral highground.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 31 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Dominus]

I was guesstimating from memory, it was a while since I looked at the thread. It's early in the AM, gimme a break

Modifié par DominusVita, 31 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

[GnusmasTHX]

She can try.

[Werrf]

The code covers law enforcement. The destruction of the relay was an act of war, not a crime. If the Justicar Code didn't have any way of distinguishing between acts of war vs peace time, the Justicars would have been required to wipe out the asari military long ago.

[Casuist]

...not to mention Samara is still bound to Shepard by her oath. Technically, the code compels her to do nothing while the oath is in place. Her warning to "some" Shepards about repercussions afterwards have more to do with his/her character once her oath is released.

[marshalleck]

I'd welcome this conversation with her should she decide she has an issue with it. In fact I hope that if she does mention it, my Shepard gets to ask her what better solution her Code would have given her. Because I very much doubt there is one.

[jamesp81]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Batarians? Innocent? Mwahahahaha!!!!!!

This guys knows where it's at.

Innocent or not, everyone on that colony was dead and there wasn't a single solitary damned thing anyone short of God Himself could've done to stop it.  Your options are 1) kill the Batarians and save trillions or 2) watch the Batarians die then watch trillions more die a few days later.

[MrSuperCrazyAwesome]

And here I was freaking out that she'd kill me for hacking bank accounts and stealing credits.

[DeathScepter]

It was the Right choice regardless if there was a colony or not.Regardless of the species at hand.

I do love many of the species but I would let their colonies burn to stop the Reapers. And the Reapers are not here for the Tea and cookies.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 18 novembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[DPSSOC]

Simple solution. No innocents were harmed in Arrival, only Batarians.

[Rifneno]

DPSSOC wrote...

Simple solution. No innocents were harmed in Arrival, only Batarians.

Batarians are bad because they're raised to be bad.  Their government conditions them as such.  Remember that CDN story about that batarian that was raised among humans?  He was an awesome guy.  And remember the batarians on Mordin's mission.  They were genuinely surprised that a human, any human, wasn't a total bastard.  The totalitarian scum in the Batarian Hegemony have so filled their people with propaganga and lies that...  I'll just stop beforing invoking Godwin's Law.  Anyway, suffice to say, batarians aren't inherently evil.  Their culture made them that way.  As for slavery, it's certainly a horrible practice... but it's one we were engaging in only a few hundred years ago too.

That said, there was no way of saving that colony.  They were dead that day regardless.  Shepard just shortened it by an hour to give the rest of the galaxy a little more time to prepare.  And honestly, they probably went a LOT quicker and more painlessly than if the Reapers killed them.  Being vaporized by a supernova is instant, painfree, terrorfree death.  Reapers?  ... Not so much.

[Zaxares]

I think Samara would understand that it had to be done in order to save a greater number of innocents. After all, Samara was willing to kill dozens of otherwise law-abiding police officers without hesitation if they tried to stop her from pursuing Morinth.

[CrazyGreggy]

Rifneno wrote...

That said, there was no way of saving that colony.  They were dead that day regardless.  Shepard just shortened it by an hour to give the rest of the galaxy a little more time to prepare.  And honestly, they probably went a LOT quicker and more painlessly than if the Reapers killed them.  Being vaporized by a supernova is instant, painfree, terrorfree death.  Reapers?  ... Not so much.

Nail. Head. Done.

[Adugan]

Samara can do that embrace eternity thing to read Shepard's mind and see what happened.

[someone else]

Orkboy wrote...

So unless Shepard or Hackett tells exactly what happened ( and why would they, it was a black op and never took place ) then nobody should go to trial.

Hackett already has told shep the batarians are calling for blood - you forget the batarians were interrogating kenson and had some inkling of what she was up to - obviously they put 2&2 together - there's gonna be a trial...Hackett says as much.